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Expertise needed on extender routine

Hi,

I apologise as this is going to be quite a long post but please keep on reading if you’re a P.E or extender veteran.

Firstly I got my ligs cut (ligamentolysis) at the very end of 2011. It was alright, fairly minimal gains, mostly flaccid. I used an extender (andropenis) as part of the recovery process to prevent the ligaments from reattaching. I must admit, I wasn’t entirely dedicated to this post-op extending so if someone asked me if my ligaments might have reattached I wouldn’t be too confident saying they haven’t. I wasn’t dedicated primarily because the noose attachment was excruciating to wear (I’m uncircumcised). I have since bought a VAC mod attachment but I quit using it due to personal reasons.

Anyway, recently I wanted to get into it, but be 100% dedicated this time and so far I haven’t missed a day or skipped an hour. Now, due to the surgery my NBPFL ranges from 10-12cm and my NBPEL is around 16cm. The andropenis came with a booklet that offered two routines to choose from: the ‘Standard Method’ and the ‘Special Method’. The former balances out traction and hours used: low and gradually increased traction (overtime) alongside wearing the device 8-9 hours every day.

On the other hand there is the ‘Special Method’ that is designed for users who can’t spare 8-9 hours a day wearing the device. I chose this method as 8-9 hours wearing the device in my living and working situaton would be very difficult. So this special method basically compromises time worn for a rapid increase of traction. So where the standard method adds 0.5cm every 7 days in the space of 6 weeks, the special method instead adds 0.5cm every 3 days over the same period of time.

Now, the guidebook insists you start 4cm BELOW your EL, which I assume to be NBPEL. So I subtracted 4cm from my NBPEL (16cm) and connected my modified VAC attachment to my glans. There was no stretch at all, my penis was basically sitting there completely limp in the device. So due to my above average flaccid length (I think?) I added 2cm so there was atleast SOME stretch, so I actually started stretching 2cm BELOW my NBPEL instead of 4cm. At first this seemed like the right decision as surely there has to be SOME pull when you first attach the extender? And I thought that due to my lig cut procedure and the modified VAC attachment which distorted the overall length of the device that compensating for such was reasonable. Now, I’m not sure if I made the right decision.

So not only am I going through the most strenuous routine but I’m also doing it 2cm ahead of the manufacturer’s instructions. Furthermore, I’ve been reading a lot of posts on the andropenis forum and the admin stated that the maximum amount of time a user can wear the device whilst using the special method is 6 hours a day. So as I initially found the routine fairly easy I increased the time I wore the device per day from 4 hours to 6 hours in just over 3 weeks. I then contacted him to ask how I could tell how much traction was being applied and he told me I should not be stretching for 6 hours a day using the special method. I replied telling him that the only reason I was doing so was because he said it was okay in another thread - he has yet to approve this post so it can’t be seen by anyone yet, maybe he won’t approve it to save face. Now I know that I can’t really rely on his advice as he doesn’t really seem too knowledgable about it. So now, not only am I following the most strenuous routine whilst also 2cm ahead of the instructions but I also might be wearing the device 2 hours longer than what is safe. Am I?

Anyway, I’m currently stretching at 17.5cm 28 days into the routine, 1.5cm over my NBPEL. I measured my BPSFL last night and it was 17cm, so I don’t know how I’m stretching at 17.5cm whilst wearing the device. It’s not painful but there is abit of discomfort, I’m not sure if that is to be expected I mean afterall, this is the extreme routine that rapidly increases traction, the routine that the manufacturer only recommends if you CANNOT do the standard method, it’s bound to be uncomfortable right? My main worry is that in 2 days I have to add another 0.5cm and I don’t think my penis will physically be able to stretch another 0.5cm. I’m wearing the extender now and when I lift the extender from the downward postion to the upright position and back again, I can see that there is quite a lot of tension already at the base of the penis.

What should I do? I’m nearing my first month of use and will be taking measurements on the 7th which makes me excited, although I won’t expect much if anything at all. I really don’t want to start from scratch and I am determined to continue using the extender. Am I being a pansy? Should I continue adding 0.5cm every 3 days until 18th of December? That’s quite far away and at this moment in time it just doesn’t seem possible. The admin of the andropenis forum did say that most of the users he is in contact with choose the standard method (he said 85%) and that many of the users who try to do the special method can’t handle the rapid increase of traction during this intense 6 week period and stop the routine. Am I just one of those who can’t handle the special method or have I overtaken the special method and overworked my penis - too much too fast?

What do you veterans think? How should I proceed from here? Shall I just continue stretching at 17.5cm for a while until my penis catches up?

Also, I am not doing any manual stretches or jelqing, I’m just using the extender.

Thank you very much for reading, I appreciate any replies.

KFH

I confess I have read quickly your post, hope I am getting the basic questions.

The ‘routines’ outlined with the device are nothing empirically tested; I mean, they did not take X groups of people and one worn the device 2 hours, another 3 hours etc. etc.. Those have to be read as rough instructions. The noose style cause discomfort, so the first weeks you just wear the device at minimal length(force), just to get your penis accustomed to that foreign body, so to speak (instructions haven’t changed in the new vac-style models, as far as I know). Then you start adding length(force) a bit each, say, 100 hours you wear the device. Basing on the premises these devices are based on, the slower the better, meaning that the final gains will be likely inversely proportional to the rate of force increase. Otherwise said, it is presumed that faster gains will stop way earlier, so the final gain will be smaller (which would be the case with the ‘special method’).

To relief the stress, you could find replacing the surgical tube with eyglasses strings, thick and soft is effective enough to increase the time wearing the stretcher.

Originally Posted by marinera
I confess I have read quickly your post, hope I am getting the basic questions.

The ‘routines’ outlined with the device are nothing empirically tested; I mean, they did not take X groups of people and one worn the device 2 hours, another 3 hours etc. etc.. Those have to be read as rough instructions. The noose style cause discomfort, so the first weeks you just wear the device at minimal length(force), just to get your penis accustomed to that foreign body, so to speak (instructions haven’t changed in the new vac-style models, as far as I know). Then you start adding length(force) a bit each, say, 100 hours you wear the device. Basing on the premises these devices are based on, the slower the better, meaning that the final gains will be likely inversely proportional to the rate of force increase. Otherwise said, it is presumed that faster gains will stop way earlier, so the final gain will be smaller (which would be the case with the ‘special method’).

To relief the stress, you could find replacing the surgical tube with eyglasses strings, thick and soft is effective enough to increase the time wearing the stretcher.

Thanks for posting marinera. The noose style did cause discomfort and that’s why I bought a VAC Extender 3 from autoextender. The attachment isn’t the problem I don’t think. I think the problem is that I’m nearly stretching at 1000 grams (1.5cm over my NBPEL; 0.5cm over BPFSL) and I’m only 28 days into the 6-9 month routine. When you say the first few weeks you wear the device at “minimal length (force)”, what do you mean? Because there was no force and that’s why I added 2cm of rods so there was traction force being applied to the penis, was that the right decision do you think?

There’s going to be 1000grams of traction force being applied to my penis in afew days when I add another 0.5cm and I’m not even past the first month. Shall I add that 0.5cm and keep it and 18cms for a week or two? Should I stay at 17.5cm and keep that stretch for a week or two? Or am I being too cautious (if there is such a thing as being too cautious with P.E!) and should I continue adding 0.5cm every 3 days until 18th December and just try to relieve the tension as best as possible?

Also, you said to relieve stress I could “find replacing the surgical tube with eyglasses strings, thick and soft is effective enough to increase the time wearing the stretcher”. Are you talking about the surgical tubing of the noose style attachment? I’m using a VAC Extender 3 attachment, I’m confused.

Thank you. :)


Last edited by K_F_H : 11-04-2014 at .

K_F_H, you have to wear the device at a length/force that is comfortable for several hours daily: that’s all. When you can comfortably wear the device say 4 hours daily with no issue at all, add another 0.5cm. The idea is that 1000 grams can stretch your penis at 7” today, the same force will stretch your penis at 7.001 or so tomorrow. I would actually suggest to remove the springs from your extender, force is a confounding factor.

Originally Posted by marinera
K_F_H, you have to wear the device at a length/force that is comfortable for several hours daily: that’s all. When you can comfortably wear the device say 4 hours daily with no issue at all, add another 0.5cm. The idea is that 1000 grams can stretch your penis at 7” today, the same force will stretch your penis at 7.001 or so tomorrow. I would actually suggest to remove the springs from your extender, force is a confounding factor.

Thanks for posting marinera. However, removing the springs from the extender doesn’t make sense to me. I use the andropenis extender and if I removed the springs it would not work at all, there would be 0% traction force. It would be like hanging but with no weights at all. Or am I missing something?

I would say that I am comfortable, but with slight discomfort, if you understand. Although I might reduce wearing the device from 6 hours down to 4 or 5.

Unless another P.E or extender veteran recommends otherwise, I will add the 0.5cm on Thursday taking the stretch up to 18cm (2cm above NBPEL & 1cm above BPFSL) and see what happens.

Thank you very much for your input marinera :)

Originally Posted by K_F_H
Thanks for posting marinera. However, removing the springs from the extender doesn’t make sense to me. I use the andropenis extender and if I removed the springs it would not work at all, there would be 0% traction force. It would be like hanging but with no weights at all. Or am I missing something?

If you read this thread you will get an idea why Marinera is suggesting spring removal.- My Stress Relaxation-based Traction Device in Action

Removing the springs requires you to rely on the screw travel to get tension so you might have to pre-stretch a bit more before you clamp in. A better option is a slider type extender which has unlimited screw travel. They are discussed in this thread.

Originally Posted by austfred
If you read this thread you will get an idea why Marinera is suggesting spring removal.- My Stress Relaxation-based Traction Device in Action

Removing the springs requires you to rely on the screw travel to get tension so you might have to pre-stretch a bit more before you clamp in. A better option is a slider type extender which has unlimited screw travel. They are discussed in this thread.

Okay, so I assume you’ve read the entirety of my first post along with the other posts in the thread. So do you think removing the springs from my extender and then adding more rods so the extender will stretch at 17.5cm again will increase the likelihood of me comfortably adding 0.5cm every three days? I will give it a go, I just hope it is safe.

Also, you have read my first post. Have I been overzealous? I’m 2cm ahead of where the instructions are, I’m following the ‘Special Method’ where you add 0.5cm every 3 days for 6 weeks and I’m wearing the device for 6 hours, apparently 2 hours more than I should be. I’m 28 days in and I’m stretching 1.5cm over my NBPEL and 0.5cm over my BPFSL. Am I endangering my penis?

Thank you austfred.

I assume the surgery you had was recommended and performed by qualified MDs. Was the extender prescribed by them? If so, use the device as it is intended. Almost all of the extenders used in medical studies and postop cases are of the spring design. I would not rely solely on one person’s design and use of an alternative design that is posted on a PE forum. It is a brave new world here and the path is adventurous. I have both extenders, the fixed Miracle slider and the KR/VacExtender from Monkeybar which has springs. From a comparison standpoint of both use and the reading of what few medical studies exist, I would say the spring type is preferrable. Especially in your case, in my opinion.

I forgot to add. In my opinion you are being overzealous. What do you have to lose by not being so aggressive? Are you permanently damaging your penis? Probably not as long as signs of vascular flow are intact and there is no paresthesia.

Originally Posted by Ectospasm
I assume the surgery you had was recommended and performed by qualified MDs. Was the extender prescribed by them? If so, use the device as it is intended. Almost all of the extenders used in medical studies and postop cases are of the spring design. I would not rely solely on one person’s design and use of an alternative design that is posted on a PE forum. It is a brave new world here and the path is adventurous. I have both extenders, the fixed Miracle slider and the KR/VacExtender from Monkeybar which has springs. From a comparison standpoint of both use and the reading of what few medical studies exist, I would say the spring type is preferrable. Especially in your case, in my opinion.

The ligamentolysis was performed by a qualified and experienced surgeon although it was not recommended as I am above average length/girth, but this procedure was nearly three years ago. Yes the extender was prescribed. The device was initally intended to prevent the ligaments from reattaching but as the surgery was nearly 3 years ago, the ligs have either attached or not attached since then. I’m now using the extender for its primary purpose: to increase the length of the penis.

I’ve have tried removing the springs from my extender for ‘stress-relaxtion’ based stretching and it’s not for me. I prefer using my extender with the springs.

Originally Posted by Ectospasm
I forgot to add. In my opinion you are being overzealous. What do you have to lose by not being so aggressive? Are you permanently damaging your penis? Probably not as long as signs of vascular flow are intact and there is no paresthesia.

I will keep on stretching at 17.5cm for a while longer rather than adding another 0.5cm tomorrow. I think I may also cut down my hours to 5 a day instead of 6 after the 7th. Once I take of my extender after an hour of use my glans are purple, cold and numb for several minutes. I believe this is normal. However, I encourage circulation by massaging the penis to quicken recovery from several minutes to 2-3 minutes. If there was any vascular damage I would be worried and if I had paresthesia hours after using the device then I would be worried. Do you agree? Or do you think having paresthesia as soon as you remove the device is a bad sign?

Thank you Ectospasm.


Last edited by K_F_H : 11-05-2014 at .

Well, best of luck, Sir going forward. I do not know what the laws are in the UK but here in the US Drs. Are required to log an operative report and it is to be made available in some form to the patient if they request it. Get the op report on the surgery if you can. One can never be over-informed.

Originally Posted by Ectospasm
Well, best of luck, Sir going forward. I do not know what the laws are in the UK but here in the US Drs. Are required to log an operative report and it is to be made available in some form to the patient if they request it. Get the op report on the surgery if you can. One can never be over-informed.

I would imagine the laws surrounding sugrical procedure in the UK are very similar to that of the US. However, I travelled to Russia for my surgery. I have an extensive report of the procedure on another forum that focuses on surgical penis enlargement. It would actually be great to see such a report of my procedure, I will get in contact with the surgeon, but as we’re both probably thinking: the chances of them writing or keeping a report are slim at best.

Also, I just want to add that the questions in my previous posts are genuine and not rhetorical, I don’t mean to sound sarcastic or condescending. I am very interested in what other people think.

‘Once I take of my extender after an hour of use my glans are purple, cold and numb for several minutes. I believe this is normal.’. No. Those are first signs of hypoxia which causes tissue death (nerves included). Either shorten the sets or cut the tension.

Originally Posted by marinera
‘Once I take of my extender after an hour of use my glans are purple, cold and numb for several minutes. I believe this is normal.’. No. Those are first signs of hypoxia which causes tissue death (nerves included). Either shorten the sets or cut the tension.

I knew it wasn’t a good thing but I didn’t realise it wasn’t normal. Will the penis get used to the pressure/tension of the VAC attachment over time so I will be able to wear it for an hour-long sessions again? I’ll cut down to 30 minute sessions which means I’ll have to cut down from 6 hours a day to 4.

I’ve been reading the andropenis forums and the admins suggested this to another user regarding the special routine who is struggling:

If you feel that you are not able to wear the device for at least 1 straight hour, I suggest you remove one 0.5 cm piece and try, if thats not enough then remove another one. Its better to be able to wear the device in a lower size but for more time than not to be able to wear it for more than 20 maybe 30 minutes.

Results will come, normally on the 2nd month you will actually see gains.

Admin

Would you agree marinera?

Thank you very much.

Yes I do agree.

I would suggest you a better approach anyway: start at 2-3 cm less than your BPFSL, then add 0.5 cm displacement very 10 minutes. After an hour or so you wearing the device at your BPFSL or even higher, wear it at that lenght for at least 15 minutes. 1-2 sessions like this per day will give all the gains that you can have and wearing the device longer will have little or no effect IMO.

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