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Originally Posted by marinera
Yes I do agree.

I would suggest you a better approach anyway: start at 2-3 cm less than your BPFSL, then add 0.5 cm displacement very 10 minutes. After an hour or so you wearing the device at your BPFSL or even higher, wear it at that lenght for at least 15 minutes. 1-2 sessions like this per day will give all the gains that you can have and wearing the device longer will have little or no effect IMO.

Hello mariena

I will try this, it sounds interesting. Just to clarify, will a session look like this

I decrease the amount of rods to 14cm (-3cm less than my BPFSL) and wear for 10 minutes.
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 14.5cm and wear for another 10 minutes (20 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 15cm and wear for another 10 minutes (30 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 15.5cm and wear for another 10 minutes (40 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 16cm and wear for another 10 minutes (50 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 16.5cm and wear for another 10 minutes (60minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 17cm which is my BPFSL and then wear it for another 15 minutes (75 minutes in total).
I then take of the extender and massage my unit to encourage circulation and recovery.
Then I repeat again 10-30 minutes later.

However, do I still add an extra 0.5cm every 3 days, so three days later I’d start at 2.5cm less than my BPFSL and would finish 0.5cm over my BPFSL? Because if I’m only stretching at my BPFSL for 3 months then surely I won’t make any gains as I’m not going over my BPFSL? Isn’t it all about gradually stretching over your BPFSL?

I also want to ask that if I follow your routine, won’t I also get a cold, purple and numb glans as I will be wearing the device for 75minutes straight (it only takes me 10 seconds to add rods)?

One more thing, the admin of the andropenis forum said this in a thread:
if the glans becomes blue or cold do not worry just take longer breaks each 1.5 hours and massage your penis.

This worries me, he is saying it is normal to have purple, cold and numb glans but experienced users aren’t? Isn’t he endangering the manhood of the users by giving out advice like that?

Thank you :)

There isn’t any fixed number : when wearing it at 17cm for 15 minutes feels ‘loose’, you can add anotehr 0.5 cm or even less. Always spare half centimeter: if you feel that you could touch 17.5 cm but that would the final limit, just keep wearing it at 17 cm and one day 17.5 will feel easy.

Originally Posted by K_F_H
Hello mariena

I will try this, it sounds interesting. Just to clarify, will a session look like this

I decrease the amount of rods to 14cm (-3cm less than my BPFSL) and wear for 10 minutes.
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 14.5cm and wear for another 10 minutes (20 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 15cm and wear for another 10 minutes (30 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 15.5cm and wear for another 10 minutes (40 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 16cm and wear for another 10 minutes (50 minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 16.5cm and wear for another 10 minutes (60minutes in total).
I then add another 0.5cm, with no break, taking the total up to 17cm which is my BPFSL and then wear it for another 15 minutes (75 minutes in total).
I then take of the extender and massage my unit to encourage circulation and recovery.
Then I repeat again 10-30 minutes later.

However, do I still add an extra 0.5cm every 3 days, so three days later I’d start at 2.5cm less than my BPFSL and would finish 0.5cm over my BPFSL? Because if I’m only stretching at my BPFSL for 3 months then surely I won’t make any gains as I’m not going over my BPFSL? Isn’t it all about gradually stretching over your BPFSL?

I also want to ask that if I follow your routine, won’t I also get a cold, purple and numb glans as I will be wearing the device for 75minutes straight (it only takes me 10 seconds to add rods)?

One more thing, the admin of the andropenis forum said this in a thread:
if the glans becomes blue or cold do not worry just take longer breaks each 1.5 hours and massage your penis.

This worries me, he is saying it is normal to have purple, cold and numb glans but experienced users aren’t? Isn’t he endangering the manhood of the users by giving out advice like that?

Thank you :)

Yes, that person is doing a disservice to anyone taking his advice. The glans might feel cold as it would from being outside on a cold day, but purple and/or numb-no,no,no! Also keep in mind that no matter how many segments of the extender you add, when you reach your maximum flaccid length, the springs should be at about mid tension. Otherwise, if you max it out you have a fixed extender. I wore my extender yesterday for 10 hours, taking it off for about 10 minutes every 2-3 hours to check and make sure everything was ok and allow for some tissue relief. Also, I use a bit of antifluid tape that came with it over the tip. My glans after ten hours felt cool probably from being extended farther away from the body but no discoloration or numbness at all. Hope this makes sense to you.

Originally Posted by Ectospasm
Yes, that person is doing a disservice to anyone taking his advice. The glans might feel cold as it would from being outside on a cold day, but purple and/or numb-no,no,no! Also keep in mind that no matter how many segments of the extender you add, when you reach your maximum flaccid length, the springs should be at about mid tension. Otherwise, if you max it out you have a fixed extender. I wore my extender yesterday for 10 hours, taking it off for about 10 minutes every 2-3 hours to check and make sure everything was ok and allow for some tissue relief. Also, I use a bit of antifluid tape that came with it over the tip. My glans after ten hours felt cool probably from being extended farther away from the body but no discoloration or numbness at all. Hope this makes sense to you.

Hi Ecto,

I thought so, the admin is being quite irresponsible.

I’ve done 2 full hour sessions today plus 3x30 minute sessions and I’m currently doing another 30 minute session and so far after every 30 minute session my glans have not been purple but still slightly numb and cold, but that’s an improvement.

I’m am abit confused about the spring tension. So far throughout the last four weeks the springs have never been ‘contracted/pressed’, if you know what I mean, they’re always at normal length and they’ve never been at mid-tension or full-tension (fully pushed down). As in, there has never been enough traction force to push down the springs. I hope I’m explaining myself properly. Is that normal? Does that mean that there’s actually not that much traction force being applied, which I guess would be a good thing and I’m just underestimating the ability of my penis to reach the next 0.5cm.

I’m going to add another 0.5cm tomorrow, see how that pans out, as I’m sure when I add it that the springs will actually have to press down for my unit to be hooked in and held.

10 hours a day is insane, how long have to been using your extender?! I also received some anti-fluid tape with my VAC extender3 but have honestly only used it once. Should I start using it? What will happen if I don’t?

Thanks :)

Originally Posted by K_F_H
Okay, so I assume you’ve read the entirety of my first post along with the other posts in the thread. So do you think removing the springs from my extender and then adding more rods so the extender will stretch at 17.5cm again will increase the likelihood of me comfortably adding 0.5cm every three days? I will give it a go, I just hope it is safe.

Also, you have read my first post. Have I been overzealous? I’m 2cm ahead of where the instructions are, I’m following the ‘Special Method’ where you add 0.5cm every 3 days for 6 weeks and I’m wearing the device for 6 hours, apparently 2 hours more than I should be. I’m 28 days in and I’m stretching 1.5cm over my NBPEL and 0.5cm over my BPFSL. Am I endangering my penis?

Thank you austfred.

KFH, I have read your other posts. My reply was only to answer your query about why to remove the springs. The stress relaxation thread started by Rootsnatty explains the difference between creep (springs) and stress relaxation extending but you have to put in the effort and read the whole thread. I use a Leluv slider extender which I believe is the same as the Miracle that Ectoplasm uses.

I agree with what others have advised you about using a gradual approach. I would not be too hung up on recommended programs put out by extender manufacturers as they vary and most spring based extenders work the same. Listen to your dick and advance slowly is the best approach. However I know nothing about the surgery you had so I suppose you need to be extra cautious. In that respect I would rely on medical advice.

Regards
Fred

Originally Posted by K_F_H
Hi Ecto,

I thought so, the admin is being quite irresponsible.

I’ve done 2 full hour sessions today plus 3x30 minute sessions and I’m currently doing another 30 minute session and so far after every 30 minute session my glans have not been purple but still slightly numb and cold, but that’s an improvement.

I’m am abit confused about the spring tension. So far throughout the last four weeks the springs have never been ‘contracted/pressed’, if you know what I mean, they’re always at normal length and they’ve never been at mid-tension or full-tension (fully pushed down). As in, there has never been enough traction force to push down the springs. I hope I’m explaining myself properly. Is that normal? Does that mean that there’s actually not that much traction force being applied, which I guess would be a good thing and I’m just underestimating the ability of my penis to reach the next 0.5cm.

I’m going to add another 0.5cm tomorrow, see how that pans out, as I’m sure when I add it that the springs will actually have to press down for my unit to be hooked in and held.

10 hours a day is insane, how long have to been using your extender?! I also received some anti-fluid tape with my VAC extender3 but have honestly only used it once. Should I start using it? What will happen if I don’t?

Thanks :)

I think most extender instructions would have you follow a set program of adding spacers to the extender that is a certain percentage of your stretched flaccid length to condition the tissues. Eventually you reach the point of maximum and the springs keep tension at that length which supposedly creates growth. At least that’s how I understand it. I normally wouldn’t have time to put in ten hours but , I wanted to see if there was a point where it became intolerable. But it didn’t.
About the tape. Some people get a small amount of seminal fluid seepage because of the vacuum force and gravity. I use it because sometimes the vacuum feels sharp on one area of the glans. With the tape it kind of cushions it, I guess. But if you are comfortable and don’t get any seepage, you don’t need tape.


Last edited by Ectospasm : 11-06-2014 at .

[QUOTE=K_F_H

I’m am abit confused about the spring tension. So far throughout the last four weeks the springs have never been ‘contracted/pressed’, if you know what I mean, they’re always at normal length and they’ve never been at mid-tension or full-tension (fully pushed down). As in, there has never been enough traction force to push down the springs. I hope I’m explaining myself properly. Is that normal? Does that mean that there’s actually not that much traction force being applied, which I guess would be a good thing and I’m just underestimating the ability of my penis to reach the next 0.5cm.

[/QUOTE]

K_F_H

Believe this is a common problem with newbie extender users and one that is not usually explained in the manuals. With the screws in the in position you need to hand stretch your dick as much as possible while compressing the springs to the max position as you clamp in your head. Once you manage that you should find the springs start compressing as you extend the screws. When you start you normally try for the first mark which from memory was 600 gms on my old proextender. Another thing I found is that the springs are olny indicative and not that accurate. I tested mine on kitchen electronic scales and found them way out. That is one area where the slider extenders are easier but for newbies they can be dangerous as you have no real idea how much tension you are applying.

Regards
Austfred

Originally Posted by Ectospasm
I think most extender instructions would have you follow a set program of adding spacers to the extender that is a certain percentage of your stretched flaccid length to condition the tissues. Eventually you reach the point of maximum and the springs keep tension at that length which supposedly creates growth. At least that’s how I understand it. I normally wouldn’t have time to put in ten hours but , I wanted to see if there was a point where it became intolerable. But it didn’t.
About the tape. Some people get a small amount of seminal fluid seepage because of the vacuum force and gravity. I use it because sometimes the vacuum feels sharp on one area of the glans. With the tape it kind of cushions it, I guess. But if you are comfortable and don’t get any seepage, you don’t need tape.

Yeah, I imagine most extenders adhere to a similar flaccid penis length/rod ratio for the conditioning/adaptation phase. Though Andropenis refers to ‘erect length’ which is not only vague as it doesn’t differentiate between BPEL and NBPEL, incorrect as BPFSL is what needs to be measured, but also careless due to what I’ve seen frequently stated on this forum - many men’s erect length is not exactly the same as their stretched flaccid length, so they’re usually over-stretching or under-stretching when they use the andropenis extender.

That’s very interesting Ecto! So you’re saying that unless you have enough rods attached to compress the springs, that actually the device is not really ‘enlarging’ your penis? That makes total sense and yet the booklet and website refrains from saying that. That could be why many men don’t see results because, like me, they THOUGHT they were really stretching their penis with the extender, but in reality they weren’t even making the springs compress. Maybe I’m wrong but it does seem logical. Essentially I’m 2cms ahead of the instructions AND on the ‘Special Method’ that adds traction much more rapidly than most extender routines and I will only start to compress the springs next week (5th week). So if I was another bloke who did it properly on the standard program I’d only start compressing the springs atleast 2 months in and I’ve heard of many men quitting around that time due to achieving “no gains”.

Last night I tried to find how many rods I needed to make the springs compress and it turns out to be 20cm which compressed the springs by 0.5cm to just below half of their full compression. So in 12 days the springs will actually be working for once in their 2.9 years with me! Also, I e-mailed the receptionist of my surgeon and they’re looking into sending me my operative report, although it will be in Russian.. I better start learning!

Originally Posted by austfred
I believe this is a common problem with newbie extender users and one that is not usually explained in the manuals. With the screws in the in position you need to hand stretch your dick as much as possible while compressing the springs to the max position as you clamp in your head. Once you manage that you should find the springs start compressing as you extend the screws. When you start you normally try for the first mark which from memory was 600 gms on my old proextender. Another thing I found is that the springs are olny indicative and not that accurate. I tested mine on kitchen electronic scales and found them way out. That is one area where the slider extenders are easier but for newbies they can be dangerous as you have no real idea how much tension you are applying.

I agree, it definitely needs to be stated in atleast the manual provided to properly inform new users. As like I said most users probably won’t be compressing the springs until after the 2nd month mark. Most likely longer than that if they’re being careful. I do and have always stretched my penis and compressed the springs to hook my VACattachment onto the extender, but every single time the springs have stretched right back out as much as the extender would let them. There are unfortunately no tension marks on the andropenis, I’m just going to have to gauge the traction by how much the springs are compressed. I feel quite daft, I assumed that the springs were primarily as a safety precaution so when you were stretching at high lengths and were very ‘mobile’ the springs would absorb the tension as to not damage the penis.

Thanks guys. :)


Last edited by K_F_H : 11-06-2014 at .

Originally Posted by K_F_H
Yeah, I imagine most extenders adhere to a similar flaccid penis length/rod ratio for the conditioning/adaptation phase. Though Andropenis refers to ‘erect length’ which is not only vague as it doesn’t differentiate between BPEL and NBPEL, incorrect as BPFSL is what needs to be measured, but also careless due to what I’ve seen frequently stated on this forum - many men’s erect length is not exactly the same as their stretched flaccid length, so they’re usually over-stretching or under-stretching when they use the andropenis extender.

That’s very interesting Ecto! So you’re saying that unless you have enough rods attached to compress the springs, that actually the device is not really ‘enlarging’ your penis? That makes total sense and yet the booklet and website refrains from saying that. That could be why many men don’t see results because, like me, they THOUGHT they were really stretching their penis with the extender, but in reality they weren’t even making the springs compress. Maybe I’m wrong but it does seem logical. Essentially I’m 2cms ahead of the instructions AND on the ‘Special Method’ that adds traction much more rapidly than most extender routines and I will only start to compress the springs next week (5th week). So if I was another bloke who did it properly on the standard program I’d only start compressing the springs atleast 2 months in and I’ve heard of many men quitting around that time due to achieving “no gains”.

Last night I tried to find how many rods I needed to make the springs compress and it turns out to be 20cm which compressed the springs by 0.5cm to just below half of their full compression. So in 12 days the springs will actually be working for once in their 2.9 years with me! Also, I e-mailed the receptionist of my surgeon and they’re looking into sending me my operative report, although it will be in Russian.. I better start learning!

I agree, it definitely needs to be stated in atleast the manual provided to properly inform new users. As like I said most users probably won’t be compressing the springs until after the 2nd month mark. Most likely longer than that if they’re being careful. I do and have always stretched my penis and compressed the springs to hook my VACattachment onto the extender, but every single time the springs have stretched right back out as much as the extender would let them. There are unfortunately no tension marks on the andropenis, I’m just going to have to gauge the traction by how much the springs are compressed. I feel quite daft, I assumed that the springs were primarily as a safety precaution so when you were stretching at high lengths and were very ‘mobile’ the springs would absorb the tension as to not damage the penis.

Thanks guys. :)

K_F_H

A few comments on your last reply.

>Yeah, I imagine most extenders adhere to a similar flaccid penis length/rod ratio for the conditioning/adaptation phase. Though Andropenis refers to ‘erect length’ which is not only vague as it doesn’t differentiate between BPEL and NBPEL, incorrect as BPFSL is what needs to be measured, but also careless due to what I’ve seen frequently stated on this forum - many men’s erect length is not exactly the same as their stretched flaccid length, so they’re usually over-stretching or under-stretching when they use the andropenis extender.

Dont get hung up on the detail here. BEPL is probably best to use as the stretched length you are measuring is BPFSL so you can take the fat pad out of the equation.

>That’s very interesting Ecto! So you’re saying that unless you have enough rods attached to compress the springs, that actually the device is not really ‘enlarging’ your penis?

That would be essentially correct. If the springs are not compressed you are not really apply much tension or stretch to your penis so it is unlikely to gain. There are many here who find they do not gain BEPL until their BPFSL is greater than BEPL though there are exceptions.

>As like I said most users probably won’t be compressing the springs until after the 2nd month mark. Most likely longer than that if they’re being careful.

I was compressing my springs on my proextender as soon as I worked out how to use it but only to the first mark (600gms). In that I was following the manual.

>There are unfortunately no tension marks on the andropenis,

You could always use a set of kitchen scales to calibrate the andropenis and put scratch marks at say 600, 900 & 1200 gms. Just checked the andropenis manual and it appears they are claiming a specific dick stretch equates to a certain tension. Find that hard to believe Also because of your operation yours is more likely to behave differently.

Austfred

Originally Posted by austfred
K_F_H

A few comments on your last reply.

>Yeah, I imagine most extenders adhere to a similar flaccid penis length/rod ratio for the conditioning/adaptation phase. Though Andropenis refers to ‘erect length’ which is not only vague as it doesn’t differentiate between BPEL and NBPEL, incorrect as BPFSL is what needs to be measured, but also careless due to what I’ve seen frequently stated on this forum - many men’s erect length is not exactly the same as their stretched flaccid length, so they’re usually over-stretching or under-stretching when they use the andropenis extender.

Dont get hung up on the detail here. BEPL is probably best to use as the stretched length you are measuring is BPFSL so you can take the fat pad out of the equation.

>That’s very interesting Ecto! So you’re saying that unless you have enough rods attached to compress the springs, that actually the device is not really ‘enlarging’ your penis?

That would be essentially correct. If the springs are not compressed you are not really apply much tension or stretch to your penis so it is unlikely to gain. There are many here who find they do not gain BEPL until their BPFSL is greater than BEPL though there are exceptions.

>As like I said most users probably won’t be compressing the springs until after the 2nd month mark. Most likely longer than that if they’re being careful.

I was compressing my springs on my proextender as soon as I worked out how to use it but only to the first mark (600gms). In that I was following the manual.

>There are unfortunately no tension marks on the andropenis,

You could always use a set of kitchen scales to calibrate the andropenis and put scratch marks at say 600, 900 & 1200 gms. Just checked the andropenis manual and it appears they are claiming a specific dick stretch equates to a certain tension. Find that hard to believe Also because of your operation yours is more likely to behave differently.

Austfred

Hello Austfred,

I’m not sure many people would recommend beginners going straight into adding several rods so they were compressing the springs, but because I assume you’re a veteran it was safer for you to do so. Trust me I really do feel tempted to go and add that extra 2cm right now so the springs are compressed but I want to play it safe(ish!) and work my way up to that length.

May I ask how much gains, if any, you’ve made with your extender?

Also, do you know how would I go about calibrating the andropenis with some kitchen scales? Or where I could find out?

Thanks austfred :)

K_F_H, my original extender was a cheap chinese proextender which looks like a copy of a JES and is similar to the ones Autoextender sell. I gained about 1” with it over about 12 months, and another 1/4” or so since I moved to a Le Luv slider so I could try out stress relaxation. I now seem to have finished my newbie gains and am plateauing. Currently try to break that.

>I’m not sure many people would recommend beginners going straight into adding several rods so they were compressing the springs, but because I assume you’re a veteran it was safer for you to do so. Trust me I really do feel tempted to go and add that extra 2cm right now so the springs are compressed but I want to play it safe(ish!) and work my way up to that length.

Believe your thinking here is based on the andropenis manual approach of focusing on length stretch rather than tension. That may be the safe thing for you as I understand you had your ligs cut but most other extenders seem to work on tension (eg start to the first notch - 600 gms - and gradually work up to the third notch also increasing time in traction as you go.

>Also, do you know how would I go about calibrating the andropenis with some kitchen scales? Or where I could find out?

Get a pair of those electronic kitchen scales. Place the extender vertically above the top of the scales. Get a zero reading with no spring compression and then push down to where the first notch would be and take a reading. Repeat for the next two notches.

Austfred

Originally Posted by austfred
K_F_H, my original extender was a cheap chinese proextender which looks like a copy of a JES and is similar to the ones Autoextender sell. I gained about 1” with it over about 12 months, and another 1/4” or so since I moved to a Le Luv slider so I could try out stress relaxation. I now seem to have finished my newbie gains and am plateauing. Currently try to break that.

Believe your thinking here is based on the andropenis manual approach of focusing on length stretch rather than tension. That may be the safe thing for you as I understand you had your ligs cut but most other extenders seem to work on tension (eg start to the first notch - 600 gms - and gradually work up to the third notch also increasing time in traction as you go.

Get a pair of those electronic kitchen scales. Place the extender vertically above the top of the scales. Get a zero reading with no spring compression and then push down to where the first notch would be and take a reading. Repeat for the next two notches.

Austfred

1” in 12 months is great, congrats! I hope you break your plateau soon. It’s been measurement day for me today and I’ve apparently gained 0.2” in BPEL and 0.06” in MSEG. I’m still in abit of disbelief so I won’t make it official yet by posting the progress pictures, not until the third month when hopefully the gains cannot be denied. I’m abit of a skeptic at heart and in a way I think a part of me is dying to say “I told you it doesn’t work” to myself. Afterall, I haven’t even been compressing the springs and it’s only been 4 weeks … so, I don’t know, maybe a miscalculation in my initial measurements, EL (NBP & BP) is a bitch to get a consistently accurate measurement due to fluctuating arousal levels. Anyway, we’ll see next month!

I’m starting to think I might not bother followin the andropenis instructions as strictly as I am right now, so it will be incredibly aggressive. One question austfred, soon I’ll be compressing the springs so what do you think is better (anyone else can obviously chip in if they want):

After 3 days of stretching a 19.5cm, which due to my BPFSL compresses the springs half way, add another 0.5cm which will compress the springs further, then another 0.5cm until the springs are fully compressed. I stretch at this amount of rods every day until the springs are back to halfway compressed and then add another 0.5cm and repeat the process.

OR

Stretch at 19.5cm UNTIL the springs have gone from halfway compressed to no compression at all and THEN add the next 0.5cm.

The former is obviously more aggressive but will be stretching at a higher traction level - good thing?
The latter is more gentle and waits for the penis to adapt to a low level of traction until the springs do not need to compensate for the stretch anymore - I imagine this will take a week or two maybe more.

I think I’d rather do the former as maybe the penis will adapt faster?


Last edited by K_F_H : 11-07-2014 at .

K_F_H

Here is an extender routine you could consider. One I found on Thunders - Extender routine

>I’m starting to think I might not bother followin the andropenis instructions as strictly as I am right now, so it will be incredibly aggressive. One question austfred, soon I’ll be compressing the springs so what do you think is better (anyone else can obviously chip in if they want):

The point I was trying to make earlier is that it looks like the andropenis manual focuses on changes in stretched length as you progress. My proextender, and many other, focus on tension and you adjust the screws to get a set tension rather than a set length. I suggest you should use one approach or the other but not try to mix them. The only complicating factor is that I understand you had your ligs cut as part of your penis enlargement surgery. AS others have suggested you need to follow medical advice re extender use.

‘Hope this helps
Austfred

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