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Yet another theory of how we grow

I didn’t put it under the science thread yet, cause my theory needs some discussion first. Maybe it is discussed before, but I didn’ find. But here it comes.

My bold statement is that we’re not growing because we deform our tunica or other connected tissues and induce permanent damage.

Period.

What I think is actually happening involves mostly following factors: Growth factors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_factor), HGH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone) and testosterone.

All this stuff works as follows: As we work with the dick, it gets some minor damage to the cells in it. Some cells get more beating and die. Thus, invoking process called healing. Healing comes in two varieties:
by regeneration: the necrotic cells are replaced by the same tissue as was originally there.
by repair: injured tissue is replaced with scar tissue.

I think both processes may be there biased towards regeneration, but this is not important (unless the scar tissue formation is a major repair factor). In both cases the body needs to rebuild tissue fast and thus significant amounts of different growth factors are released locally. As the hormones are not cell specific, they induce minor growth amongst the tissue surrounding it, thus invoking growth. Over long time the minor growth gets major.

Further.
Testosterone is released in testicles during stimulation and resulting arousal in order to get body ready for ejaculation. After orgasm and ejaculation a refractory period follows when production of testosterone gets lower fast and other hormones are released instead (oxytocin, proclamin).

So we get two important types of hormones released either locally or over the whole body that invoke anabolism: Growth factors/hormones and a very strong androgen - testosterone.

Which explains several things:
1. Damage induced to tunica and other parts are not enough to make it plastic and thus permanent. So, mechanical damage doesn’t work and thus another explanation of growth shall be given.
2. People who do ejaculate every time or often enough get less growth cause their testosterone level is lower
3. People who do inject hormones (either testosterone or hgh) get some growth even if they don’t do any PE
4. How some people get stuck if they don’t change the routine - rebuilt cells are stronger and need more beating to get damaged
5. How some people get growth during long pauses - HGH gets still released and cells rebuilt
6. How overworking results in setbacks - more damage is done to tissue that it can repair. It’s also possible that too big damage is replaced with scar cells which results in contraction
7. How beginners get quicker growth - damage done to tissues is more widespread and tissues react faster to excessive amounts of hormones
8. How remek got he’s athletic body while doing PE :-) (see pics in Clamping 101 - The clamping guide)

Whadayathinkaboutit? Is the theory sound?


Started: oct 2007 with 11.8 cubic inches

Currently: apr 2008 12.8 cubic inches

Objective: >20 cubic inches

Yes this theory sounds good. Another one that made a claim about testosterone and others hormones are the “pseudo-Dr. Lin”, he says that balloning realease hormones that cause growth. I do have fellings that a lot of ejaculation decreases the energy thus the growth. We all know that overworking is not good and that pause is necessary to recover.

I have taken Testosterone and have not seen any growth in penis-the same for other guys who do bodybuilding. Personally I do not believe testosterone has any influence on penis growth.

Still a theory!


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Originally Posted by disi
I have taken Testosterone and have not seen any growth in penis-the same for other guys who do bodybuilding. Personally I do not believe testosterone has any influence on penis growth.

Whoa! Tell that to the Governor of California. He’s taken loads of Dianabol and testosterone propionate and won 7 times the Mr. Olympia title with the help of them. There are other notable cases of steroid usage that has lead to extraordinary performance (Ben Johnson for example).

But supporting your claims is following tidbit from wikipedia:
“Some examples of virilizing effects are growth of the clitoris in females and the penis in male children (the adult penis does not grow even when exposed to high doses of androgens), …[15]”

Well, I still think that testosterone has some role here, but it has to be connected to healing mechanisms working to repair the dead cells in your dick.


Started: oct 2007 with 11.8 cubic inches

Currently: apr 2008 12.8 cubic inches

Objective: >20 cubic inches

Yes, that works….in theory.

In theory, Communism works. In theory.

Originally Posted by xlmagnum
Yes, that works….in theory.

In theory, Communism works. In theory.

Well, I have to be sorry and say that Communism doesn’t work even in theory. At least in economics, the communist system is thorouly analysed and found not sustainable over long period.


Started: oct 2007 with 11.8 cubic inches

Currently: apr 2008 12.8 cubic inches

Objective: >20 cubic inches

Many (if not all) Testosterone users reported no penis-growth boost. Scar tissue means unuseful tissue, by what I know: the little evidence we have is that the more penile mass produced by PE is equal or more useful than starting penile-tissue.

Contraption after PE is temporarely, so can’t be matter of scar tissue production.

I’ve seen your thery discussed before here and there on this site, but there are more facts against it’s that in it’s support.

In some cases, scientifically documented, growth is caused by permanent tunica deformation, in a mechanical way.This is the theory besides Aristocane growth, in example, and worked well for him.

Stalling growth can’t be explained by your theory: if the body react to mechanical stimulus enhancing hormone’s sinthesis, why after a while this chain work no more?

Just some points I noted:

When I bodybuild (naturally) and bulk (high calorie) diet my testosterone and HGH sores and my erections are bigger (longer, thicker and harder plus bigger glans (not that much though)) it looks more pumped (like more blood in it), the skin goes back further (uncut) and it points higher. I’d say maximising your testosterone levels doesn’t grow your penis it just enables you to achieve your maximum potential 100% erection. Other benefits are increased horniness, quicker time to full hardness, bigger cumshots, more intense orgasms, shorter refractory periods.

When I stop working out these benefits go away until I restart a few weeks.

Also, I’ve noticed when I balloon and edge a lot without cumming I have a bigger hang, get more spontaneous and morning wood, more pumped erections and quicker time to full erection.

When I cum a lot my dick hang is minuscule, never morning wood or spontaneous erections and weak erections. (However, when I’m BBing I can cum a lot and get away with it ok, perhaps good diet and extra testosterone aids recovery)

Originally Posted by marinera
Many (if not all) Testosterone users reported no penis-growth boost. Scar tissue means unuseful tissue, by what I know: the little evidence we have is that the more penile mass produced by PE is equal or more useful than starting penile-tissue.

Contraption after PE is temporarely, so can’t be matter of scar tissue production.

I’ve seen your thery discussed before here and there on this site, but there are more facts against it’s that in it’s support.

In some cases, scientifically documented, growth is caused by permanent tunica deformation, in a mechanical way.This is the theory besides Aristocane growth, in example, and worked well for him.

Stalling growth can’t be explained by your theory: if the body react to mechanical stimulus enhancing hormone’s sinthesis, why after a while this chain work no more?

I agree. Testosterone may not play any role. However, HGH and other growth factors most possibly do. Contraction (contraption is possibly not the word you wanted to use :-) . Wallace and Gromit had contraptions.) is temporary because organism is capable of replacing some very minor scar tissue over time with normal tissue afaik. Where are the scientifically proven results? I’d liked to see them. As far as I know, there’s no sound science made arount PE. Stalling can be proven (as is written in my first post) with strength of the new tissue forming.


Started: oct 2007 with 11.8 cubic inches

Currently: apr 2008 12.8 cubic inches

Objective: >20 cubic inches

Originally Posted by Karl
…………
Contraction (contraption is possibly not the word you wanted to use :-) . Wallace and Gromit had contraptions.) is temporary because organism is capable of replacing some very minor scar tissue over time with normal tissue afaik. ….

If you hang (for say) 6 h one day with very high weight you penis will shrink, possibly 1”+. If you rest some days your penis will hung as previous.Are you speaking of this phenomenon when you use the term “contraction”? If so, this has nothing to do with destruction-regeneration of tissues: your penis is “hiding” in your body as defensive reaction to too much stress.

Originally Posted by karl

…. Where are the scientifically proven results? I’d liked to see them.
….

See here, in example:
Medical Verification

then do a search for “tunica”, “plastic”, “deformation”.

Originally Posted by karl
…….Stalling can be proven (as is written in my first post) with strength of the new tissue forming.

This isn’t an explication, this are two hypothesis

1) as a consequence of a stress, new cells will form ;
2) this cells will be stronger than original cells.

Growth (that means mechanical strengthening) of existing cells could explain the same things with less principles.

However, this is not the point. What me and other posters are saying to you, karl, is that you are speaking of things that were already debated on this site, so would be useful searching topic-related threads (and reading them) before starting the same debate again.

In example, you are saying that (as a fact) masturbation/sex hinds gains: search for this topic, there isn’t so much evidence of that.

Originally Posted by Karl
Whoa! Tell that to the Governor of California. He’s taken loads of Dianabol and testosterone propionate and won 7 times the Mr. Olympia title with the help of them. There are other notable cases of steroid usage that has lead to extraordinary performance (Ben Johnson for example).

Karl, Testosterone makes your muscles grow but very few users report penis growt. If testosterone made your penis grow all bodybuilders would have huge dicks which is not the case. Though some steroids have penis growt as a sideeffect, for example Deca-Durabol.

Originally Posted by Karl
Testosterone is released in testicles during stimulation and resulting arousal in order to get body ready for ejaculation. Whadayathinkaboutit? Is the theory sound?

This part of the theory, at least, is simply wrong.

Ejaculation is caused by the smpathetic part of the autonomous system (while erection is parasympathetically induced and sustained).


Later - ttt

I think if people are trying to be scientific, they should stick to scientific principles and word usage; evolution and gravitation are theories, this is just a hypothesis to be tested.

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