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Unified Field Theory of PE

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Two months ago I started a thread similar to this one about maximizing your gains and minimizing your injuries and using your time alloted as effectively as possible, hoping the veterans here would chime in on what has worked best for them, with little response. Realizing that each individual may respond differently, I still believe, that as in bodybuilding, there are core exercises that produce better gains and that certain patterns of effort vs rest are integral to growth and finally that superior nutrition contributes to progress. My earlier thread was hoping to identify the best lengthening exercises and also the best girth exercises, those that would represent the core PE exercises as experienced by the more seasoned here and also what type of workout schedule, meaning how often and for how long. I would like to think that there might be some consensus concerning an ideal workout or at least some ranking of what has worked best for others. Thanks.

Sometimes stretching makes connective tissues denser and more resistant to extension. Other times, it promotes growth. If I do heavy curls every other day, the tendons in my arms won’t stretch; they’ll get thicker with more collagen fibers.

Stretching with lighter weights probably causes less of an inflammatory response than stretching with heavier weights. A lower inflammatory response may reduce proliferation of collagen fibers and prevent the tissue from strengthening.

The body apparently has a negative feedback system for resisting the sudden stretch of connective tissue. You can stretch a little, but then the body tries to compensate by strengthening.

However, one way to beat the system may be to “convince” the tissues that the stresses they see are normal.

The answer may be slow and steady loading. The body may be programmed to be more compliant to slow and steady loads. When you gain weight, your tissues need to stretch. Without this ability, weight gain would be limited, which could, I suppose, lead to starvation in times of famine.

One could also use the example of normal growth during maturation. Think about your ligaments. As the bones grow, so do the ligaments. How do the ligaments “know” they’re supposed to grow, rather than strengthen and resist further growth? The answer, perhaps, is slow and steady loading.

Perhaps the body’s response to slow and steady loading is to comply with the applied forces, whereas its response to rapid and heavy loading is to resist.

The mechanism for strengthening appears to be inflammation and consequent proliferation of collagen. What about the mechanism for lengthening? I mentioned the piezo-electric properties of collagen in my earlier post because it’s been found that certain tissues (nerve and bone) grow when placed in an electric field. If stretching connective tissue causes it to generate an electric field, then perhaps that field, if maintained over time, will promote extension of the connective tissue through normal growth.

Originally Posted by Tube
Interesting point about fat. I have made similar observations before about sustained forces on the body. I am in the low force long duration camp, even to the point of constant tension.

How has it been working for you? How much force is “low?”

This is a great discussion! This is alongs the lines of what I was hoping would start.

I was thinking that maybe if we start a parallel thread title;

Please list what PE routine gave you the best gains.

Then hopefully we will get some of the best ones in one place, as well as some possible gems from some of the lerkers who may have had some great success, but never write in the forum. Sometimes you have all the right info, but if it isn’t in one place, you can miss a crucial key to making progress.

Regards,

ps no, wouldn’t want Thunder to pull my dick for me, but perhaps if Mrs Thunder…

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Sometimes stretching makes connective tissues denser and more resistant to extension. Other times, it promotes growth. If I do heavy curls every other day, the tendons in my arms won’t stretch; they’ll get thicker with more collagen fibers.

Stretching with lighter weights probably causes less of an inflammatory response than stretching with heavier weights. A lower inflammatory response may reduce proliferation of collagen fibers and prevent the tissue from strengthening.

The body apparently has a negative feedback system for resisting the sudden stretch of connective tissue. You can stretch a little, but then the body tries to compensate by strengthening.

However, one way to beat the system may be to “convince” the tissues that the stresses they see are normal.

The answer may be slow and steady loading. The body may be programmed to be more compliant to slow and steady loads. When you gain weight, your tissues need to stretch. Without this ability, weight gain would be limited, which could, I suppose, lead to starvation in times of famine.

One could also use the example of normal growth during maturation. Think about your ligaments. As the bones grow, so do the ligaments. How do the ligaments “know” they’re supposed to grow, rather than strengthen and resist further growth? The answer, perhaps, is slow and steady loading.

Perhaps the body’s response to slow and steady loading is to comply with the applied forces, whereas its response to rapid and heavy loading is to resist.

I believe you’re right on the money with that one.

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The mechanism for strengthening appears to be inflammation and consequent proliferation of collagen. What about the mechanism for lengthening? I mentioned the piezo-electric properties of collagen in my earlier post because it’s been found that certain tissues (nerve and bone) grow when placed in an electric field. If stretching connective tissue causes it to generate an electric field, then perhaps that field, if maintained over time, will promote extension of the connective tissue through normal growth.

Do you have any links for this?

Hey Shiver,

I’ve found these so far but haven’t read them all yet:

Piezoelectricity in collagen films.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/…2&dopt=Abstract

Piezoelectricity, a Healing Property of Soft Tissue
http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/20/25/08.html

Piezoelectric Stimulation For Back And Neck Pain:
A Randomized Controlled Trial
http://www.medicalacupuncture.org/a…2/article4.html

On the piezoelectricity of collagen-chitosan Films
http://pubs.rsc.org/ej/CP/2001/B100189M.pdf

Histology of Bone
http://www.worldortho.com/database/etext/basicsci.html

Connective Tissue Polarity Unraveled by a Markov-Chain Mechanism of Collagen Fibril Segment Self-Assembly
http://www.biophysj.org/cgi/content/full/84/6/3501

Role of physical forces in regulating the form and function of the periodontal ligament (Need to purchase)
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/li…10.1034/j.1600-

Very nice posts ModestoMan!

Sparkyx

I couldn’t access that last one.

So now I’m getting visions of a battery operated electric-weeny-sock for overnight growth :)

Too bad this thread died. Good initiative sparkyx!

Modesto, your thoughts ring true with me. I have been an athlete all my life and hence my body has been always been dealing with the constant dilemma of work vs rest. It’s a thin line between getting great results in training and overtraining/injury. Also, big gains only come with time. The first rule is to train regularly and to increase training incrementally . Everything else is details. Even in sports where science is heavily involved nobody knows for sure what kind of training regime is the optimal one, not even for one specific individual. But about 95 % of the results can be achieved without optimal training. Just by relying on the known facts and to be very consistent in your training. I guess the same thing applies to PE. We don’t need to win the PE olympics, we just need to grow our dicks that 95 % of the maximum growth capacity.

I think that’s where a unified PE theory could help us. Bringing everyone the knowledge to build a plan that eventually gives a great (but not optimal) penis enlargement (perhaps even 95 % of max).

However, I think we need the (medical) science community for this. At Thunders it’s everyone for them selves. Who in here would be willing to embark on a 2 year PE project that you might not believe in? What I don’t understand is why this is not a huge research project in some private medical corporation. There must be billions to be made if you find a scientific method to gain 2 * 2 inches. Hmm, who is interested in started a joint venture ;)

(Yes, I know the penis is not (only) a muscle. But consider this: When an athlete improves strength by x percent, the rest of the body adapts as well: bone strenght increase, blood vessels expand, ligaments strengthen and get bigger etc)

Low forces = low trauma = short recovery =long duration ie extenders
high forces = high trauma = long recovery = short duration ie clamping
I think though until you settle the “true growth” vs stretching debate and how they relate to the above you are up against it’
Also the two distinct tissue types may require different approaches to further complicate things.

When they need to actually grow new tissue for medical reasons it’s always the low force long duration approach.

Originally Posted by Crabman99
Too bad this thread died. Good initiative sparkyx!

However, I think we need the (medical) science community for this. At Thunders it’s everyone for them selves. Who in here would be willing to embark on a 2 year PE project that you might not believe in? What I don’t understand is why this is not a huge research project in some private medical corporation. There must be billions to be made if you find a scientific method to gain 2 * 2 inches. Hmm, who is interested in started a joint venture ;)


I am expecting a significant financial windfall in the next 5 years. I will be using that money to do what you’ve called for — 2 Year PE Project with Medical/M.D., etc. involvement and verification.

I’m doing it and expect it will be between $1M and $3M to put a dent in this once and for all.

Great thread, sparkyx.

Hey baywatch, cool! I would love to hear more about that project when it’s time.

I wish I could say that I’m expecting the same kind of windfall. But at least I’m expecting to be packing a huge pecker in five years. Good enough! ;)

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