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Sick and tired of slow or no gains


Sick and tired of slow or no gains

Well are you and what did you do about?

I know I am extremely frustrated with it but I am not giving up with out a damn good fight, I have let it get the best of me in the past (4+ years). A person can only do something so long without basically little to no results to say enough is enough. I will go strong thru 1/1/05 but after that I will have to re-analyze. What about you?

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

I think that for me, when I wasn’t gaining, it was because I was over doing it. Either jelqing with too much force or pumping with too much pressure. The tell tale sign was a lot of discoloration, but it was still difficult for me to back off .

Lately, my motto has been like the doctor’s, first do no harm. I have reduced pumping pressure and jelq force so my discoloration is very minimal, with some of it being residual from before. Now my workouts feel good, and I finish off with a 15 minute erection massage which feels really good.

Now I am back to gaining again, have nocturnal erections and morning wood, my erection strength and endurance is like never before and I ejaculate more volume then I have in years.

Go back to the basics. That is a good start. They are the backbone to all PE exercises!

I agree with crazyed27, look at what you are doing. I know that I did manuals from 1+ year without gaining anything before I read about the LOT and hanging. You just need to find what the limiting factor is: time, resistance, technique and then find the solution. Most of the problem is finding out what is wrong.

Sometimes we just need some time off PE. Time heals all wounds and weakens all ligs.


"Yeah, we don't need another smart ass ... we have our share already." - ThunderSS

gprent101 —- I have went thru the these forums over and over. Since you mention pumping I will talk about that. I have tried low pressure, medium pressure, even somewhat high pressure and only with the semi high pressure did I ever even get discoloration, I don’t get it from anything else really at all. I did these routines for generally 3-4 months and would switch. I would try 1 day off a week then weekends off then two days on two days off. This is just the pumping aspect of PE but you only need to change the pumping to Hanging or Manual or ADS it is all the same for me.

crazyed27 —- In 4 plus years don’t you think I have done this umpteen times already! And btw doing it right now with no results again and that is what is really bothering me! I got the PJ as well to try to help, I got gloves for extra gripping, I have went thru more Vaseline than a guy needs to.

Tom Foolery —- I have done the time off thing more than once, I only wish I could find out what I’m doing wrong. I know my lot and I have a bib starter for almost two years now. I even got a pulley set up in my room. It seems to squish and deform me more than anything. I got all kinds of light weight ads stuff, golf weights, wrist weights, tugger, PM.

I am in overall great shape, I take very good care of myself. I don’t drink caffeine, I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, hell I even eat right for the most part. I have no problems making gains in the gym. I just can’t get this damn PE thing taken care of. I appreciate the info guys. I also thought there would be others out there that would chime in about their slow to no gains, I must be the only one, lucky me!

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

What’s your gains, thus far?

If I had to guess, I’d say there are different body “types” regarding PE similar to the body types in bodybuilding (-morphs). And one type just doesn’t react to the “regular” exercises, while the others do. Encouraging growth might take not just a different routine or exercise altogether, but a different way of performing it, be it an intense, very short routine then a several day’s break or short routines troughout the day, etc.

From what I’ve read, I know I’m different than the average PE’er. It isn’t only the complete lack of gains,
it’s how my body reacts (or doesn’t). For example, when I started hanging, I would feel a slight disconfort/tug,
using say, 10pounds. The next set, I would’t even feel 10 pounds, and could use 15 now with zero disconfort. And so on. I got scared at the 30 pound mark. This is at all angles. I ordered a Bib standard thinking that I
might have to start at 25+ pounds but I couldn’t put it on, it covered my whole strecthed flaccid. This lack
of disconfort with high weights while a hanging “newbie” I think is unique.

Stronger erections, yet no BPEL or girth increase: Very odd. These 2 things point at very strong and resilient tissues. The body just adapts to the forces very fast, in minutes. I’m Wolverine, from X-Men.
Again, just guessing, but I don’t think I need to hang 30 pounds; I think I just need to produce the same reaction that hanging my max weight does in a *different* way. Like JAI stretches. Moderate pull for a moment, then release. Or do a circular motion with the weight, aplying pressure at many points to fool my mutant tissues.
Maybe no rest days, and a set every few hours.

Quite frankly, I have no clue. I just know that I won’t progress next year, if I don’t look at it from a completely different way. This is not pessimism, although I’m very heartbroken about my lack of gains. I bought a thera-p wrap and it covers my whole package, glans and all, even after a jelq session. I can be fully erect in tight pants and I don’t produce a bulge. I desperately want an average range penis, and I will give it an all out effort this year, even if it means quitting my job to have time for a routine.

But I need to put more thought into it. I think n2, myself and all the hardgainers have a lot of things in common, that are different from the rest, if we look at everything, not just our lack of gains.

N2, I think we should maybe start with the basics, compare notes, see how our bodies react compared to other hard gainers and the rest, and brainstorm. The combined minds here at Thunder’s can crack everything, methinks. If and when we start to gain, we might have stumbled into something that could help all PE’ers down the line.


UlcasterDropout —- I show about 1/2” but halve of that I get from just tugging on myself for a few days. So to put into perspective roughly a 1/4” in give or take 4+ years wow huh. My big gain. [> ]

kerien —- You might be on to something we are mutants. I did the JAI stretches for about 3-4 months because I have pretty much given up on regular stretching but I feel if anything I was losing doing them just not enough force for me so done with those for a while.

Good ideal about comparing notes so right now I’m calling all hard gainers out give up some info. I will say for this you must have at least 1 year of PE under your belt without a 1/2” (1/4” or none even better) or less gains.

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

Well five months have come and gone and here I am with no new freaking gains yet. To all you gainers you are indeed very lucky. I am hanging again for appx the last month two hours (sometimes more) a day 20mins x 3 sets in the morning and 20mins x 3 sets in the evening before bed (right now) because the PJ and pumping wasn’t cutting it and bib said to lay off on everything for now and concentrate on hanging only so thats what I’m doing 12.5lbs btc and let them burn, then slowly work up and change angles as needed.

I have been at this for a year and four months this time around and got a whole 1/4” basically to show for it, and that was in Feb/04. I think I’m due something for the last ten months or some sort of progress. My wife was really into the whole idea for a while but now she thinks this whole PE shit is bogus and thinks I’m wasting my time, I’m starting to believe her.

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All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

I suspect you’re on the right track by focusing on hanging. It’s the only way I can gain length. Stick with your routine for several months. Winter is a good time of year for hot bath warmups. :)

4 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you have been doing non stop PE for 4 years and haven’t gained forget it N2, its not going to happen.
Some say it works for some and not for others. Others say the whole thing is a crock and maybe it is.

If I were you I would forget it and know that the way we think and feel towards our bodies impacts on our personality, because of this we will inevitably be attracted to women who will be more than happy with our dick’s. The man with a 10 inch dick will have a psyche attractive to a women who finds will instintively like a 10 inch dick.

If reports say that 90% of men are between 5 - 7 inches the question has to be is nature so inbalanced and skewed that it would create the other half of the male female equation in this case women with a desire for 8+ inch penis’s thus creating discontent in 90% of people? Seems unlikley to me and I say this as a man with a big dick.

Its probably just another weapon in the arsenal of the age old battle of the sexes.


Do you get any temporary gains after each workout?


Very depressing post because I know you put the effort where a lot of no gainers don’t. I’m kind of with hobby on this thinking hanging is your best bet. You may want to build a wench to see if you can get a tunica stretch that was going to be my strategy until I came up with time restraints and had to shelf hanging for a while.

I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)


Unfortuneately, I’m with you…I’m officially a no gainer after about a year of pretty hard work. I have the bib hanger, wrap and a few other tools I’ve gathered over the past year. I’ve been working routines on 3 month cycles. I will admit that lerking around on this board has kept me in the hunt. I wouldn’t have stayed at this for a year without a big number of people posting gains, those gains may be temp or measurement error but some are too big to be either. I’ve been told to stick with hanging for a while so I’m going to finish my year doing that. I think it is important for us hard gainers to find our way through the dark here. I know the world is laughing at our group here. It would be unbearable to find out they were right….Hang in there…

Start 030104 EBPL: 6.25" EG : 5.6" Mid LOT : 7:30 GOAL: 0.25 in any direction...."I'm not picky"- length would be nice "GIVE ME A %&#'N INCH OR GIVE ME DEATH"

I really hope so, even though this is not my first tango with hanging in my pe tenure. I will give this a solid 4 months and if I don’t get something close to a 1/4” I really think I need to hang it up. I start off with a hot bath warm-up every first session and then just use a heat pad the rest of the time. I’m just wondering hobby how much have you gained by hanging and how long did it take you?

Way to long I agree! And no it was not non-stop for 4 1/2-years (5/2000) This time is my longest non-stop and it seems like a very long time. I sometimes wonder if its a crock myself sometimes and then I do another set.

I’m not to sure if you mean pumped or swollen like after a pumping session or jelqing, if thats what you mean than yes most every form of pe besides hanging has done that for me. Now if you mean gains the next day or something I would have to say no.

Hour after hour day after day is there no justice. I am going to build be a wench in the next few days, why not I got every other piece of equipment. I was just talking to bib a couple weeks ago and he said with my lot 8:00 I really should get something from the ligs in hanging btc but damn I would hang it from a tree if I thought it would work. Hanging is very time consuming I think so I hear you on that, my sleep and my regular life is suffering some.

Damn it sucks to be us right about now with pe huh, its seems to be hit or miss those who hit the gains stay around and those who don’t or whatever else are gone, I am one of the dumb ones who thinks it going to happen one day soon. I have been around the boards lately just to read mostly I really don’t have much to add since its not really working at all for me. I just can’t understand why it works for so many people and not me. I wish you good luck with your gains as well, who knows they could be right around the corner for you.

Thanks guys.

All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward.

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