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Pumping and Hanging/Stretching for length gains

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For the guys (avocet, peforeal, gprent & supersizeit) who pump, doesn’t the pump itself act as a bit of a weight?

Also, with the technique of ‘milking’ the cylinder, does that, in a way, fall into the category of erect work?

I do own a pump, though I haven’t used it in literally years. What are experienced pumpers opinions on the above thoughts?

Originally Posted by SimonClass

What is your idea about this.

I think that tunica growth is only possible with an increased blood flow.

I think that healthy blood flow is needed, to support cell division and/or generation of new tissue. However, I don’t know that increased blood flow is necessary. Tunica growth is just like any other tissue growth. It requires good circulation, good nutrition, and rest.

It’s probably true that an enlarged penis holds more blood, but I think that’s just a consequence of it’s greater volume. Increased blood flow probably doesn’t cause greater size by itself, although it probably doesn’t hurt.

Originally Posted by SimonClass

The theory behind jelqing is that you will stretch the tunica because you push more blood into your penis which causes the CC to stretch. This seems to be the theory, if not please correct me immediately.

I think there are a few reasons that jelqing works. The blood that is forced into the penis acts like a hydraulic fluid that inflates the CCs (or certain portions of them) to higher pressures than are normally experienced during erection. These increased pressures tend to “push the envelope” of the CC’s, i.e., expand the tunica.

Jelqing also moves blood through the penis. This stresses the blood vessels and probably causes them to expand and multiply. The greater size and/or number of blood vessels may bring more oxygenated blood and nutrients to the penis, creating a fertile environment for growth.

In addition, jelqing stresses the penis in a variety of ways. Stress is applied both length-wise and width-wise. Because the penis is deforming during the jelq (narrowing under the hands and expanding on either side), jelqing applies stress in a whole lot of other directions, as well. These affect the CC’s internally, stressing the trabeculae, smooth muscle, and blood vessels every which way.

Originally Posted by SimonClass

The opponents of a jelq routine are saying, because of the direct push by hand, the penis will thicken a lot.

Jelqing definitely thickened my penis. But I did it very intensely and at a high erection level, before I learned the “work length before girth” rule. More moderate jelqing with a less firm erection might not thicken the penis quite as much.

Originally Posted by SimonClass

Now I want to ask what happens with pumping when you use it after a hanging routine.

It might be better than jelqing because the chance to gain girth is less probably (impossible?) than gaining girth from jelqing.

If you’re really concerned about not gaining girth at this point, you can try pumping with a smaller diameter cylinder than you might otherwise use. If you make sure that you “pack the tube” over most or all of your length, the effect of the vacuum will primarily be lengthwise. You’ll get some girthwise expansion, but not enough to exceed that of a normal erection. You’ll probably have to go into the cylinder soft.

Originally Posted by SimonClass

What is your idea about this:

A) jelqing or pumping after hanging or stretching to push more blood into the CC

B) pumping might be good after hanging for pushing more blood into the stretched CC and it’s better than jelqing for this purpose (not getting girth gains)

A) Good idea. But it may be a better idea just to wear an ADS.

B) I can’t say that pumping is better than jelqing for promoting growth. It might be better for avoiding girth gains (assuming one packs the tube).

One point that you didn’t raise is the benefit of wearing an ADS after hanging. Wearing an ADS may be more effective than either jelqing or pumping, if the goal is to bias any tissue growth in the lengthwise direction.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
One point that you didn’t raise is the benefit of wearing an ADS after hanging. Wearing an ADS may be more effective than either jelqing or pumping, if the goal is to bias any tissue growth in the lengthwise direction.

I didn’t raise the benefit of wearing an ADS after hanging because I do not think that you can gain tunica lenght by stretching/hanging/ADS alone.
This is my theory.
I was stretching and hanging heavy for tunica gains but my results where not the same like the big gainers. I’m not too disappointed about my gains because I never was doing pe for more than 4 month in a rough but when following the theory that hanging/stretching/ADS will give you the best lenght gains, I would have gain a lot more.
I got all my gains when I was adding pumping or jelqing to my hanging or stretching routine. It was always the same, stretching and hanging for may be 2-3 month then incorporating jelqing or pumping into my routine and after a week or so my shaft was bigger.

This is the reason why I came to this theory. I do not believe that you can gain from tunica stretching alone. You have to fill the larger tunica with more blood, if you are not doing so, you will gain nothing.
Look at Bib, he always was saying that he got all his gains from hanging. When looking not only at the surface, you will find out that Bib never did hanging alone (!), he was jelqing every day for at least 15-20 min.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
If you’re really concerned about not gaining girth at this point, you can try pumping with a smaller diameter cylinder than you might otherwise use. If you make sure that you “pack the tube” over most or all of your length, the effect of the vacuum will primarily be lengthwise. You’ll get some girthwise expansion, but not enough to exceed that of a normal erection. You’ll probably have to go into the cylinder soft.

What do you mean with packing the tube?
I think you just need a cylinder which is the same size like your girth, so the penis can only expand lengthwise on the cylinder and not girth wise.
Why should the cylinder be the same size like your length?

Originally Posted by SimonClass

I didn’t raise the benefit of wearing an ADS after hanging because I do not think that you can gain tunica lenght by stretching/hanging/ADS alone.

That is my experience as well. I never gained from hanging alone. Maybe I gained some FSL, but no BPEL.

Originally Posted by SimonClass

I got all my gains when I was adding pumping or jelqing to my hanging or stretching routine. It was always the same, stretching and hanging for may be 2-3 month then incorporating jelqing or pumping into my routine and after a week or so my shaft was bigger.

By all means, continue to do what works and avoid what doesn’t. No amount of PE pseudo-science is worth a thing when stacked up against a routine that gives your real gains.

Go for the gains first; try to figure out the reasons later.

Originally Posted by SimonClass

This is the reason why I came to this theory. I do not believe that you can gain from tunica stretching alone. You have to fill the larger tunica with more blood, if you are not doing so, you will gain nothing.

Look at Bib, he always was saying that he got all his gains from hanging. When looking not only at the surface, you will find out that Bib never did hanging alone (!), he was jelqing every day for at least 15-20 min.

I don’t think it’s about blood; I think it’s about blood capacity. The longer tunica won’t translate to a longer erection unless the contents of the CCs (sinusoids) are lengthened as well. Blood is not the only thing inside the tunica. There is tissue with firm structure. That structure needs to be lengthened. Otherwise, you may end up with small FSL gains but no EL. I think that, for many if not all guys, the way to lengthen the internal structure of the CCs is by doing erect exercises, such as jelqing, pumping, or clamping.

As for Bib, I once suggested in a PM to another member here that perhaps all of his gains were really from jelqing—hanging was just something he did to kill time.

I don’t really believe that, but it’s fun to think about.


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Originally Posted by SimonClass

What do you mean with packing the tube?

I think you just need a cylinder which is the same size like your girth, so the penis can only expand lengthwise on the cylinder and not girth wise.

Yes. Use a cylinder the same circumference or maybe a bit smaller than your erect girth, but with plenty of room at the end to allow for length expansion.

You want the cylinder to be longer than your erect length. I suggest it be at least 1 or 2” longer. The more air you have in your cylinder during a pumping session, the less variable the pressure will be. This is especially important if plan to move around a lot.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 04-19-2006 at .

@ModestoMan

What do you think, what is more beneficial after hanging/stretching, jelqing first and then ADS or first ADS and then jelqing.

ADS first. In fact, I think it might be best to alternate jelqing/pumping with hanging. Spend 2 or 3 weeks hanging in the mornings and wearing an ADS as much as possible for the rest of the day and on your off days. Then switch to jelqing (or pumping) in the mornings and continuing with the ADS as before.

Xenolith and MX have been promoting a one-day-on, two-day-off schedule for any aggressive form of PE. You might want to consider following that rather than hanging (or jelqing) every day.

Also, consider taking this in cycles. Do one or two passes of the above routine, take 2 months off with complete rest, and then start again.

The idea behind alternating your hanging routine with a jelqing or pumping routine is to first create some flaccid length by hanging, and then to create volume to fill in the new space with jelqing/pumping.

Note that these ideas are just my current view of what’s best, which tends to change as I gain experience. If you find that your body is responding to things differently from the way I think it would, by all means listen to your body.


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BTW, since you have already found a combination that works well for you (hanging and then pumping), why wouldn’t you just continue to do that? Make hay while the sun shines.


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I’ve been thinking about a workout where I do the following:

1) Hang for 10 mins
2)Pump for 10 mins
3) Jelq for 10 mins

Doing that routine for an hour in that order and ending my workout with Behind the Balls Jelqing for increasing blood flow. I’ve had ED problems in the past due to poor circulation (diabetes), and Between the Balls jelqing cured my ED.

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