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PE old fart comes out of retirement

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PE old fart comes out of retirement

When Memento suggested a few weeks ago that I update the Tom Hubbard site, I groaned. After all, it’s had no substantive changes in over ten years—OK, a tweak here or there, some goofy graphics, but in terms of content, the same old mierda. After giving the PE world the AFB, jelq sticks, and the Ball Zinger, I had pretty much decided I had done my bit and I had nothing more to contribute.

I was wrong.

Now living in the southern hemisphere, thousands of miles from the nearest Home Depot, in the type of place I had in mind when I originally introduced the AFB—and having last hung weights five years ago—I set out to make an AFB hanger, and it turned out to be so ridiculously, in fact ludicrously, simple and effective that I shake my head in wonder when I look at the old PVC-pipe and other elaborate designs.

Jelq sticks? Throw them in the trash or burn them. Please. In 2013, the AFB doubles as their replacement.

Seriously. Two pieces of wood, a piece of string, a plastic milk jug. Except for the milk jug, a complete PE system that fits in your pocket, sails through airport security, raises no eyebrows when not in use. Also doubles as a non-ruler measuring system. And, so absurdly cheap and simple that I doubt anyone will try to sell it on eBAY: they’d be laughed at.

- Please check it out and tell me what you think.

Hi Tom,

I like your stretch technique, it’s an interesting way to work the force, using the hips. I’d like to quibble with you about the 30 seconds :) I think there are many situations in which it can take 30 seconds to get the stretch really working, certainly many asanas are help for much longer than 30 seconds in all but the most modern westernised forms of yoga. I think it makes sense from a muscle perspective but potentially not so much sense when muscles aren’t involved.

When I’ve experimented with the AFB I’ve tended to find large amounts of pressure on the centered on the lower edge. Certainly a wrap helps but have you come across anything to minimise this?

Classy update.


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Originally Posted by memento
Hi Tom,

I like your stretch technique, it’s an interesting way to work the force, using the hips. I’d like to quibble with you about the 30 seconds :) I think there are many situations in which it can take 30 seconds to get the stretch really working, certainly many asanas are help for much longer than 30 seconds in all but the most modern westernised forms of yoga. I think it makes sense from a muscle perspective but potentially not so much sense when muscles aren’t involved.

When I’ve experimented with the AFB I’ve tended to find large amounts of pressure on the centered on the lower edge. Certainly a wrap helps but have you come across anything to minimise this?

Classy update.

Thanks, and (publicly) for your formatting advice. I mentioned the 30 seconds because there’s been some talk—including from me—of doing shorter stretches. I don’t think that’s going to yield results like longer stretches. But then there’s “why don’t you pull it out?” and “We did that stretching in no particular order and no particular program. The more the repetitions, the more the results….” Who knows?

With the AFB, I just position it further back if it feels like it’s pinching. You can also position it at the base, depending on what this week’s groupthink says about how PE happens (or maybe we actually know, and I’ve missed it; I’m recalling the lig line). I was amazed I didn’t need a wrap, but I’ve got more skin now and the wooden pieces are well rounded (but then, so was the PVC pipe—hmmm). Who knows?

Hey Tom, a quick question. Did your gains from years ago remain?

Originally Posted by jack_mehoffer
Hey Tom, a quick question. Did your gains from years ago remain?


Absolutely!

On my - end notes page, check out the image showing my current size versus photoshopped before and after 1996 images. In the years since I got my gains, flaccid size has increased a lot more, erect just a tiny bit.

Good god one of the elites from back in the day, welcome back Tom.

Originally Posted by kbs83
Good god one of the elites from back in the day, welcome back Tom.

Thanks…been called godfather, pioneer, now elite—well, OK then ;-)

Wow it’s amazing to see THE Tom has posted here once again to give advice and update his site. As soon as I read about the AFB hanger I went outside and got to work making one. Such a simple design, I can’t wait to try it out tonight and get back to gaining length. Thank you for this Tom.


Best of luck to all fellow PE-ers in their journey.

First, I wanted to say thanks for all your contributions and I’ll probably try it.

Those sticks appear more traumatic than the noose. The noose is greatly maligned for no apparent reason; nothing could be simpler and more comfortable. The sticks apply a compressible force that greatly exceeds anything promulgated by a noose. Although, it would appear there is nothing internal that could be damaged and your experience probably validates this assertion. I believe heavier weights would change this dynamic. The proper dimensional noose provides a more dispersed tension than the point loaded stick configuration when attempting heavier loads.


Take anything and everything that DutyQuest has posted with a large grain of salt.

When nooses were standard PE equipment the injury count was spectacular. Even now the noose based extenders at medium tensions seems to encourage injury, though some people seem to manage low tension short period extension with a noose safely.

Maybe you have a method of noose construction or use that makes it vastly superior. In which case, rather than simply stating opinion as fact, please feel free to pitch in and help others understand. It’s one thing to snipe from the sidelines, it’s another to try to be a positive benefit to the community and help others.


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@juiice — thanks for expressing your amazement; echoes my own!

@DonkeyKong1— please do, and let me know the results. Like most of the old timers, I’ve done such ridiculous shit to my little fleshy appendage that I lack fresh perspective ;-)

@DutyQuest — the noose is greatly maligned, as mem points out, with great reason: it puts all the pressure on the dorsal region of the penis (blood vessels, nerves) that can cause the most damage. See my endnotes page for an image. The drumsticks as I introduced them were equally scary; you’ll notice in my current instructions that they (their replacement) are applied on the side (corpus cavernosa) and rotated 90° for ease of use. As far as I know, a 90° twist creates no issues; I recall a thread here about twisting, then pulling. Also (see the necktie image on my AFB page), this type of attachment turns the head of the penis upward, which in my case is still (subtly) visible more than 16 years after my four months of hanging in 1996. Finally, the maximum I could hang comfortably was six pounds (2.72 kg): after not hanging for several years, I tested the new AFB with 6 kg (13.22 pounds) with no wrap, for fifteen minutes. Had I done that with any type of noose attachment, I would probably no longer have a functioning penis.

I guess I do not understand what people are doing with the ‘noose configuration’ since I hang in excess of 25lbs comfortably for 15min and even longer without any negative effects. It must be in the attachment since I get no ‘strangulation’ effect, the noose in my application does not become a constrictor of increasing pressure with load. Whereas, the sticks as I see the mechanical effect; only become a compressing force as the load increases.


Take anything and everything that DutyQuest has posted with a large grain of salt.

Why don’t you start a thread and explain fully, with diagrams if you can. If you’ve found a way to safely use a noose, then it would be useful to share that information. I don’t see how something can avoid increasing pressure when the load increases. The way that pressure is borne is off course highly relevant.


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Originally Posted by DutyQuest
I guess I do not understand what people are doing with the ‘noose configuration’ since I hang in excess of 25lbs comfortably for 15min and even longer without any negative effects.

Please do tell more about the device you use. We must be talking about different things.

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