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Dick working less after PE...?

Sparkyx,this is a great thread.Very informative and very well thought out in my opinion.I only recently arrived at the conclusion myself,that I’m way over-training,which is killing my erection quality and stunting my gains.I appreciate you taking the time to post your insights.I hold your opinion in high regard.This bit of advice is also exactly what I needed to keep from getting discouraged and giving up,or even worse,training even harder.

Originally Posted by chainz 8
Sparkyx,this is a great thread.Very informative and very well thought out in my opinion.I only recently arrived at the conclusion myself,that I’m way over-training,which is killing my erection quality and stunting my gains.I appreciate you taking the time to post your insights.I hold your opinion in high regard.

Thanks for the kudos…I take the time just exactly for guys like you!

Originally Posted by chainz 8
This bit of advice is also exactly what I needed to keep from getting discouraged and giving up,or even worse,training even harder.

Training harder, I’m afraid is EXACTLY what most guys do in your situation. This leads to discouragement, quitting or worse yet injury.

Just keep an eye out for the boys and steer em’ in the right direction when you seem em’ headed over the “overtraining” cliff.

Thanks a lot for the replies guys.
I think I’m going to get back into my training but keeping everything said here very clear in mind.
Thanks again for everything guys

Beast

I also wanted to add that I think getting my rice sock too hot is also affecting sensitivity,so be careful guys. Over-heating can be as bad for you as over-training.

sparkyx,

As others have already said, I think you have summed up and expanded on my experience/thinking on this topic very well. When I first started PE, I had the most incredible surge of “potency”; morning woods truly worthy of my namesake, and spontaneous woods reminiscent of awkward teenage years.

But as I added reps to my routine and started working with greater levels of erection, at some point, I started to lose those benefits, and gradually ventured into ED land; at times I would have to rest for several days to get normal functionality back. Eventually, I ended up with a (thankfully) mild injury which set me back for a month. That got me thinking “long and hard” about how it all happened, and how to proceed.

To sum up my thoughts: Start with the minimum time/jelqs/sets needed to keep those morning woods harder than normal and get spontaneous woods, measure often to monitor progress, and only add to your routine in small increments. As soon as functionality is not better than “normal”, and definitely if it decreases, cut back a little and keep your eye on the ruler and your dick.

Incidentally, I think being a little sore after a session is good as long as it goes away after several hours, but you should not be going to bed sore, in my experience. If I were to start dry jelqs again, for example, I would start at 20 per day and carefully increase by 10 every week or so; I doubt I would ever need to do as many 200/day again, but that’s probably just my physiology talkin’ ;)

I did do PE many years ago, on and off.
I thinkthat maybe using rubberbands at the base may have caused some problems along the way.

A few years ago, it did not work when I needed it to. I stopped jerking for a few months and there was a slight improvement. Even a full year after, however, it was mostly usable, but not great.

Since I’ve been doing more, rather trying to do more, cardio. I think it has helped. I also used a small vibrator on my inside cock.

Funny note on Traction. Since starting traction my erections are harder. It’s as if the inside cock is stretching and repairing itself.

Testosterone supplements can also cause this effect. If you are taking them, try taking an anti-estrogen as well. As estrogen rises in relation to testosterone in the blood.

Side note.
Dr.Lin (uhm yeah) but some points he has are interesting. He says that over masterbation can lead to hair loss. Ironically, DHT causes your cock to grow and hair to fall out. DHT is also produced during ejaculation. (perish the thought) but he may be on to something. I WOULDN’T BUY anything from his sight though. The images are doctored, and I was able to do the same effect without using the supplements that he prescribed me via email.

Originally Posted by rockwood
sparkyx,

As others have already said, I think you have summed up and expanded on my experience/thinking on this topic very well. When I first started PE, I had the most incredible surge of “potency”; morning woods truly worthy of my namesake, and spontaneous woods reminiscent of awkward teenage years.

But as I added reps to my routine and started working with greater levels of erection, at some point, I started to lose those benefits, and gradually ventured into ED land; at times I would have to rest for several days to get normal functionality back. Eventually, I ended up with a (thankfully) mild injury which set me back for a month. That got me thinking “long and hard” about how it all happened, and how to proceed.

To sum up my thoughts: Start with the minimum time/jelqs/sets needed to keep those morning woods harder than normal and get spontaneous woods, measure often to monitor progress, and only add to your routine in small increments. As soon as functionality is not better than “normal”, and definitely if it decreases, cut back a little and keep your eye on the ruler and your dick.

Incidentally, I think being a little sore after a session is good as long as it goes away after several hours, but you should not be going to bed sore, in my experience. If I were to start dry jelqs again, for example, I would start at 20 per day and carefully increase by 10 every week or so; I doubt I would ever need to do as many 200/day again, but that’s probably just my physiology talkin’ ;)

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once you start concentrating on the PHYSIOLOGY of Pe, your physical responses…instead of some cookbook approach of this many sets and reps…you are on the road to finding your best chance of gains.

I call them PIs or Physiologic Indicators…and that is what my thread by the same name is about.

Please go to that thread and add what you just wrote here, it would be a wonderful brief summary and testimonial for others to read and help them get on the right track when they get hopelessly lost in “Overtraining Land”!


Last edited by sparkyx : 03-24-2006 at .

Just to add a little more, I find most recommendations put me immediately into overtraining.

For example, it will probably take me MONTHS to work up to a productive 15 minutes of ONE set of clamping!

That doesn’t mean that it will be months to see the benefit of clamping, actually 2 sets of one minute is already giving me harder erections and much greater sensitivity.

The standard recommendations are like 3 sets of 10 minutes to start at…can you imagine what that would do to guys like me? I wouldn’t be able to get an erection for a week after that!

There are many guys where the standard recommendations are fine, but for me, its usually way too much!

I think a lot of the so called “hard gainers” fall into this catagory.

Thats why its so important to learn to monitor your PIs and be able to read what they mean for you.

Without it, I think most of us don’t have much of a chance at any real gains.

Thanks again for the kudos and your post, it is exactly right on!

I had ED for about a year after my 2002-03 bout with PE. Basically my mistake was that I stretched for too long (cut off the blood supply in other words, without slapping my dick around to get the blood flowing) — things like 5-10 minutes at a time, for 60 minutes a day sometimes. I also totally neglected kegels, barely ever did them.


PE SMART - Quality is infinitely better than quantity. Monitor your progress. Make changes accordingly.

If I clamp I get ED (which is a shame as I think it’s one of the best girth exercises) jelqing is fine. If I pump more than twice a week I get ED also. I never go over 5Hg and do more than 2 x 10 mins

If you don’t get morning wood I would agree, it’s a sign of over training.


Feb 2003: 7" BPEL x 5" EG. June 2006: 9" BPEL x 6.5" EG

(6" base girth)

bomb,

Try starting with one minute of clamping, every other day.

I think it is great for expanding and strengthening the blood vessels. Don’t go over it unless you are getting rock hard erections. Then just add one minute and see how that goes for you.

You can go up one minute at a time, stay at that level until you are getting great nite wood, then go up.

I really recommend not to go over 5 minutes in a set…max! (this is for guys like us that over train easily). If you can do more than 5 minutes, start a new set.

I now think that clamping, scientifically done, can improve penile health. Over done can destroy it!

Sparkyx,

As you can guess I’m pretty much starting my routine all over thanks to you and the information you have provided (thanks). About a month or so ago I decided to up my clamping to 3 x15 minute sets and add 45 minutes of hanging to my work out. I have noticed a decent decrease of erections and definitly morning erections. I had just been excited about how much expansion I was getting during the clamping; however, if this effects erection quality, why bother? I’m going back to manual stretching and dry jelq’ing with some 1 minute sets of hand clamping. I have noticed that even the past two days of doing only dry jelq’s has really helped. Always gotta look for Positive PI’s :].

fteddy,

I think most of your improvements aren’t from what you are doing…its from what you aren’t doing!

I think because you aren’t traumatizing your unit, it is starting to recover, and that is the progress you are seeing.

A layoff would probably bring you around even faster!

Actually clamping is great stuff…just very powerful.

I say one minute a day may actually be very good for the blood vessels, expand their ability to transport blood and increase their strength.

It just has to be approached with real respect, because it is such a powerful technique.

I had started out as a pumper, then I experimented with clamping.

I…being the genius that I am (note the sarcastic tone here) decided clamped pumping might be the way to go.

Well, I figured out how to do it…felt unbelievably good, and so I did about 10 sets of 10 minutes (I really don’t remember exactly) and got expansion like I had never seen!!!

The next day I lost a full 1/2 inch of erect length and who knows how much girth ( too depressed to measure)!

It took about 3 weeks ( of layoffs) for my size and function to return!

All the advice I give…its learned the hard way, by making all the mistakes I tell you guys to avoid.

My current thinking is clamping can really be great for function and size but it is one of the most powerful methods we use, and must be approached with real respect.

I really recommend starting with one minute and working up. For newbies, that’s one minute at less than full pressure.

I would recommend one minute a day at 3/4s full pressure for a week, then go to 1 minute a day at full pressure for another 1-2 weeks to condition the blood vessels for the pressure, before even attempting more.

As always, you should always, ALWAYS be carefully monitoring your PI’s as your guide posts in any pe endeavor.

Pe without PI monitoring is like driving your car with a blindfold on…it might be exciting at first, but you probably won’t get where your trying to go.

I’m reallly starting to think the best approach is to hang and ADS ala Monty’s approach for length and girth.

I think if you primarily want girth, clamping and mild constriction afterward…ADC (all day constriction).

I found that a stretchy cock ring, or thera-p or even a strip of cloth wrapped snug but not tight will keep the cock partially inflated all day.

The trick is enough to cause a slightly higher than normal venous pressure, without stopping the blood flow or causing any loss of normal color (pinkish in my case).

I think this is the girth seekers equivalent to the ADS for hangers.

You use a higher force for short times to stretch, then the low force to maintain it while it heals and keep your “bookmark” until your next higher force session.

For most of us, it is probably best to do the hanging first until you reach your desired length, then clamp to get the rest of the girth you want.

I think for most of us, both at the same time will be more than your unit can handle effectively.

Please remember, this is just my current thinking, I have no really data to back it up….yet.

I think that the forces produced by clamping to expand girth, might toughen the tunica to the point that it becomes very hard to get good gains from hanging…therefore my recommendations to hang first.

Besides, many hangers report good girth gains in the process. Plus the trick in hanging (again ala Monty) is to use just enough wt to gain, without causing fibrotic changes.

(I personally believe that this will allow your greatest gain potential.)

I have read several clampers who have made exceptional girth gains report they find it almost impossible to gain length…too many to dismiss as coincidental.

Anyway…just my thoughts on this topic.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I think if you primarily want girth, clamping and mild constriction afterward…ADC (all day constriction).

I found that a stretchy cock ring, or thera-p or even a strip of cloth wrapped snug but not tight will keep the cock partially inflated all day.

The trick is enough to cause a slightly higher than normal venous pressure, without stopping the blood flow or causing any loss of normal color (pinkish in my case).

I think this is the girth seekers equivalent to the ADS for hangers.

Wow, I think we’re really on the same wavelength this month! I was planning on an experiment in ADC (was going to call it “all day clamping”, but was reconsidering as someone might get hurt if they misunderstood) in a few months time, with the exact same reasoning that you stated (incidentally, I think ADS is the way to go for long-term length gains).

My plan was to use neoprene wrap and pipe clamp with attached key (minutely adjustable, and discreetly through the pant pocket at that) to get a very low grade engorgement, then kegel/fantasize it hard periodically throughout the day. I was going to wait to post this idea until I had actually done it and made sure it worked, but now that the cat is out of the bag…:D .

I’m holding off acting on this idea until I have a bit more conditioning and I’m finished with my current pumping experiment.

Maybe we should start a separate thread on “ADC”; I see the term has been used before, but not much…

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