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They have technically been around since the 50s but non steroidal SARMs are relatively new. 2000 time range. I’m waiting to see if the results stay when I get off cycle before I post them on my chart but I measured today and I’m up an insane .3 inch in girth since last measure. If they stay I will be shouting from the rooftops. If not then I’m going to do more testing on myself and report. Before the next cycle I will get blood work done and again after. I’m also going to do pre cycle halfway and 2 weeks post cycle measures. I measure 5 days in a row at the same time in the same room then take the average to post results.

If I were on something like that, I would check heart, liver and kidney functionality every 3 months.

Other than that, I would go for it if the side effects were from few to zero.

BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Is this a med you eat or inject?

These are oral. Show zero liver toxicity.

Update: I am dropping the Ostarine. I am about halfway through the 8 week cycle and am starting to show signs of shutdown. I believe I was dosing too high for my bodyweight. I am going to continue to run the Cardarine for the rest of the cycle as it is non anabolic. I noticed yesterday and today a slight decrease in testicle size. I am not too concerned as everything I’ve read shows it to be very temporary and I’m easily top percentile in testicle size as is. I will continue to update over the next couple weeks. If you plan to try it I would recommend starting at a low dose for the first few weeks (12.5 mg Ostarine for an average male). I plan to have blood drawn in a couple weeks to check test and related blood levels.

How do you get that stuff….is it legal?

Yes it’s legal, however it is banned in most competitive sports. I recommend you do some research and make sure it’s for you. In the process you will find out who is a reputable source and who is not. A good source for info that does not sell is

That last part is not true.
The owner of evolutionary is a guy called dylan gemelli. Google his name and you can read for hours all sorts of info on him. There are legitimate forums that call him out for running other forums that make him look good and shill his product. His evolutionary site is meant to make sarms look great and support his other sites.
I think elite fitness is run by him. He also sells sarms and I think his companies were / are sarmsx and sarms1, there’s probably more.…i67.hZJ7144brI4

That’s good to know. I was unaware of his affiliation. I’m glad I pulled actual studies and didn’t just go off one site. If you have good sources please share them, I’m still learning and info is king.

Not a problem. I actually was up late last night and decided to do some more research. You can follow his trail back several years and if you read the forum posts that have anything to do with him you will get a ton of info. It seems most legitimate guys can’t stand him and think of him as a scam artist. He even has shill websites and forums where his cronies chime in to rave about the products he pushes. At first glance it seems like everything is great but I tend to go overboard when researching anything and peel back the layers of info, or b.s. whichever you want to call it.

Having said that, I got fooled myself as I found out last night a product I just ordered is from a company that he used to be with and a lot of people think is a bunk company. The things I read were from 2 years ago though so hopefully their product is legit at this point.

I tend to pull scholarly articles and clinical studies more than anything else. So I’m certainly prone to miss some of the forum chatter that can be very insightful.

Update: signs of shutdown are disappearing, lethargy gone. I’m still on Cardarine and dropping fat like crazy. Girth gains are still here and I am now thinking they are a result of health and hormone improvements from weight loss and diet. Possibly from the extra water I’m drinking? Measuring girth daily right now to confirm that it stays and have had wide fluctuations between 6.3 and 6.5 inches up from 6.1 just 2 months ago. Get in shape, that’s the key to this whole adventure.

Dude, i’m not going to beat a dead horse but I did a little more research on cardarine. Like I said i’ve been on the fence and just have had a vibe it wasn’t safe.
You can look around but this sums it up best. Im not looking to debate, just wanted to point this out. Cancer is not good.


All in all, I’m still diggin the sarms - myself.

Shutdown took my by surprise, hormonal sides, etc. So much mixed information out there, from people claiming ZERO side effects to others saying their natural test was down to nil after just a few days on something.

Basically, I chaulk them up to be like anything else in that arena. NOT without its side-effects, but if you know what you are doing and follow up with proper PCT and what have you, I think there’s somethin to this.

Currently off my 1 month cycle of cardarine/s-4/rad-140

I did the 5 day on 2 day off for the s-4 because that keeps vision sides down, tho they were still noticeable.

Rad-140 I think shut me down more than anything. I added that in halfway through. I felt pretty normal with just the s-4/cardarine supplement.

Now running clomid low dose, 20-25 mg ED.

I hovered for a second, until I got my pct in check.

Also starting running mk-677 for a bridge, but honestly, I might keep it because I like it and they say it’s better for longer term use anyways.

That I do 12.5 in the evening. Anything more feels like too much for right now. (Been on it for only 1 week approx) also when I took it at night - before bed - it kept me awake, so I take it after work around 5 and sleep like a baby.

Lot too this.I’ve been dabbling in herbal enhancement for Yeeeears. This sarms/serms stuff is on it man. Just do it right or you’ll regret it.

Don’t believe the hype. I know some are less suppressive than others, but at this point, I wouldn’t run ANYTHING without a decent PCT ready to go.


I just got my prescription for 25mg DHEA sublingual.

In America you can buy this at Walmart, but in canada it’s a restricted substance.

My family doctor here told me nobody in canada will give a prescription for DHEA because it’s dangerous and/or doesn’t work.

She lied.

I went to compounding pharmacy and the re pm mended a g.p. Locally who did blood work and wrote the prescription.

This is my third day and I feel increasingly better mood wise and have tons of energy and I find I’m looking forward to getting things done, even though I left my wife a week ago and have had no contact.

Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Since there seems to be some interest in this again I will give an update: first cycle went well, I cut the Ostarine cycle short as I realized I was dosing much too high. All gains I saw during the cycle (coincidence or not) have remained. I am in the first week of my second cycle and feel dosing is more appropriate this time. I have lost a little weight since the last cycle and expect to be able to cut to the 10-12% range during this one. I measure my penis every 3 months so I will have a new update on that about halfway through this cycle. As a result of weight loss I certainly am larger in the flacid state. In the past three months I have noticed a feeling and appearance of more length than girth growth which is opposite of my previous gains. I will update weekly with this cycle of SARMs.


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