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Originally Posted by Big Girtha
I dropped 30 pounds in about a month on the MT2 shit, and got a lot of girth work down with the constant erections. I finally had to stop it because I was getting too dark. But, I think I like it better for weight loss than ephedra, because it does not raise my Blood Pressure.

What is MT2?

Originally Posted by Titleist
My friend I took Lipo 6 Black and couldn’t believe the results. Look it up. Your welcome in advance. This stuff is the truth.

First time an ad has ever scared me, sounds like nasty stuff:)…lipo6black.html

I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

A few things:

- Water is lipolytic (fat burning), regardless of temperature (the studies suggest that temperature only accounts for ~3% of the calorie burn effect, the rest being from osmotic pressure. What that means I don’t know). I drink ~5L of water a day when I’m cutting and from my calculations it seems to burn roughly 50 kcal per liter.

- If you’re going to run ephedrine, it seems to work best as part of an ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine, aspirin), because the 3 ingredients work in synergy.

- Green tea is great, powdered extract tends to work more quickly than drinking cups of the stuff. I saw a study on its use in treating obesity that suggested the active compound EGCG resulted in greater excretion of fat. If that’s true, that’s awesome, because it means I can eat more delicious foods without my body absorbing the very calorie dense parts.

- No need to reduce unsaturated/saturated fat intake if your cholesterol is fine, low-fat diets reduce androgen levels. Everyone’s afraid of fat, but sometimes it’s good for you!

- Someone mentioned clenbuterol, if something that extreme is on the cards it’s worth taking a look at the newer beta2-adrenergic receptor agonists like albuterol.

- The amino acid l-leucine has a large amount of clinical evidence for its ability to retain lean muscle mass while on a calorie deficit, and it’s pretty cheap.

- I think vinegar was mentioned, there are a few good japanese studies showing how it up-regulates the expression of the genes that code for enzymes responsible for reducing fat. I love drinking it anyway.

The combo of green tea, water, vinegar & caffeine have worked pretty well for me, gotten ripped in the last 3 weeks with no loss in muscle strength, and they’re things that are really easy to add to daily routine. The one thing I’ll add is that I won’t be continuing with caffeine when I’m back at college, since it really interferes with my erectile/sexual capacity.

All of these things can be backed up by studies on pubmed. I have exhausted myself researching this crap to get my six-pack abs :(

edit: if you want to try something really crazy,

One milligram of nicotine has a pronounced thermogenic effect, which can be increased by {approx}100% by adding 100 mg caffeine. Increasing the nicotine dose to 2 mg does not increase the thermogenic effect but produces side effects in most subjects. Caffeine may be useful in preventing weight gain after smoking cessation if its thermogenic effect can be used to enhance nicotine’s effect on long-term energy balance.

Side-note: I’ve been wondering how addictive nicotine is without the other compounds in tobacco smoke. Cigarette smoke contains a compound that inhibits the MAO-B enzyme from breaking down dopamine, leading to a rise in levels (which may explain why smokers have a much lower rate of parkinsons disease). There’s talk that nicotine might not be nearly as addictive without MAO-B inhibition, since in animal studies they won’t normally self-administer nicotine in an addictive fashion, but they will if they take an MAO inhibitor. I may try a few days of nicotine gum and see how it goes, aside from potential addiction I’m wary of how nicotine might affect erectile function on its own.

Start (Initially August 2008, Properly November/December 2008): 6.9x4.9

Currently (September 2010): 8.5x5.75 (6.25 inch head girth)

I can’t gain a pound and always have very ripped abs. It would be great - but I want to be able to put on a lot of mass. I have succeeded many times, but I have IBD, and I keep getting shot down and lose about 3 stone of muscle each time.


Time to measure girth soon... previously 4.5", been targeting girth for months!

ECA and clenbuterol

A good regimen consist of clen for two weeks (it starts to lose potency after two weeks) followed by and eca stack the next two weeks. alternate for a total of 8 weeks (thats a total of 4 weeks clen and 4 weeks eca stack) and take 2-4 week break off of all stimulants. During your break take milk thistle to cleanse your liver because it will be in not-so great of shape after the clen, aspirin, and ephedra (or ephedrine, whichever you find). ps. when on clen, benadryl helps keep the bio availability high, and it will help you sleep at night.

I’m looking again, any updates on the latest and greatest fat burner???

I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Thomas Edison (1847-1931)


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