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5-HTP and orgasm control

I have heard people mentioning this supplement and wanting to try it to effect sexual performance, and I have done an experiment on myself, so I thought a new thread would be good to keep the info in one place for anyone who has tried this supplement for sexual performance purposes.

“Begin at the end”, was some good advice someone gave me about writing reports. So my conclusions from my own experience are:

1. I think 5 HTP can help delay orgasm

2. I find the other effects unpleasant and not worth it.

Now for the story:

I had tried 5 HTP in the past with no results, alone and in combination with St. Johns Wort. My dose was 100 mg before bed.

Then I read the comments of Stagestop in Kitten’s thread (5-HTP and mental health), and his statements that 5htp MUST convert to serotonin, and his confidence about how effective it can be to replace SSRI’s, etc. So I started taking 200 mg per day (100 mg in the morning and 100 mg at night).

It probably took a week or two to start noticing the effect, but I started to notice that I could control my orgasm better, and my usual 7 to 10 minutes with my wife became 12 to 17. Not every time, but the average definitely increased. I also noticed better sleep at night.

On the down side, my stomach was almost always upset. I felt bloated and full, and always felt like I needed to defecate even though I was already going 2 or 3 times a day. A small meal would make me uncomfortable for hours. And I would fart all night long like a natural gas production plant.

Being off the 5htp for one day and my stomach already feels much much better.

Even worse than the stomach problems, is that I started to lose my natural perverted nature and unending horniness. My wife was sucking my dick the other day and I was actually thinking “this is kind of boring”. That’s when I knew I had to give it up!

I never knew how important it was for me to always be horny, thinking about sex all day, looking at women and picturing their naked bodies under their clothes, flirting with girls and trying to guess which ones would do me etc. It is the spice of my life and losing interest in that seemed like a very unhealthy and unnatural feeling.

I heard my wife tell her friend one time that having sex with mravg is great because he acts like every time is the first time! Yea, its kind of true. I love it and I crave it and I’m not giving that up!

So my plan is to quit for a while and see how long it takes for my times to go back down and how my attitude and stomach adjust. Then I might go back on to finish the supply I have, and confirm my observations.


Horny Bastard

Originally Posted by mravg

I never knew how important it was for me to always be horny, thinking about sex all day, looking at women and picturing their naked bodies under their clothes, flirting with girls and trying to guess which ones would do me etc. It is the spice of my life and losing interest in that seemed like a very unhealthy and unnatural feeling.
I heard my wife tell her friend one time that having sex with mravg is great because he acts like every time is the first time! Yea, its kind of true. I love it and I crave it and I’m not giving that up!

BINGO!! That’s exactly how I used to feel 5 years ago and I’ve been desperately trying to get back to that since then. Yes you’re right, losing interest in sex definitely makes you feel unhealthy.

I take 5-htp and st johns wort daily and my lasting power has greatly improved. I had minor stomach issues but when I take the pills with food I don’t feel anything at all. Taking St johns wort on an empty stomach will give you problems, well at least it did for me.

Originally Posted by toyox
I take 5-htp and st johns wort daily and my lasting power has greatly improved. I had minor stomach issues but when I take the pills with food I don’t feel anything at all. Taking St johns wort on an empty stomach will give you problems, well at least it did for me.

How much of each are you taking?

Food didn’t seem to help for me. In fact, having a full stomach made me more uncomfortable combined with 5htp. Tonight I am going to bed with no gas and no bloated feeling despite the fact I had a big dinner. It is great to feel that way for a change.


Horny Bastard

Good post mravg.

I have been taking Seroxat once. Now I take 5-HTP. I take 50mg a day. No effect on my orgasm…with Seroxat(Paxil) it was 5 mg a day to see BIG results.

Anyway I also have problems with stomach. It seems like it is ‘normal’. This 5-HTP is used in many ‘lose weight’ supplements..after this you feel ‘full’ and do not have to eat that much. I wonder if there is a way to overcome this issue(feeling full, stomach).

I have a good sleep-almost like with Seroxat however I do not have ‘realistic dreams’ like with Seroxat(damn! it was scary !:) )

BTW,

‘st johns’ gives me completely nothing! It just does not work for my orgasm at all.

I agree with you about the st johns wort.

For the stomach problem, there are “enteric coated” capsules that are supposed to help, but I don’t know.


Horny Bastard

For the stomach, it might be worth taking a different brand that is “peak X free”. It is appearently a solvent sometimes used to extract the 5-htp, and is in some of the brands.

However, if you want to go back to your extreme horniness, then you should get off of it, although you may want to consider playing with the dosage. The problem with that is I believe the high dose is needed for delaying orgasm.

Have you worked at edging? Or other methods of lasting longer?

” I started to lose my natural perverted nature and unending horniness.”

Hey Mravg. While you are studying this supplement, check out its affect on Testosterone and/or estrogen. My hunch is that the supplement caused your T to nosedive or your estrogen level to rise. At any rate, my pal, you got a brief introduction to the life of most men after age 55. That is why so many men are on T supplementation—to make them feel like men again. While not on it myself, the consideration is always there. My physician friend is 68 and is on compounded T cream that he rubs daily into his thighs. He says he is 19 again in every sense of the word 19 if you and I get his drift—and we do. He threw his cialis away and is into mulitorgasmic sex with his sweetie. His only other supplement is HGH amino acids which he sprays under his tongue twice daily—a product manufactured by Orenda. Many doctors here in my town are into this company for quality of life products.

Anyway, just wanted you to know that you got a taste of what your life may be like years from now. Being the fighter you are, I have no doubt you will remedy any problems associated with aging.

Originally Posted by thinktank
” I started to lose my natural perverted nature and unending horniness.”

Hey Mravg. While you are studying this supplement, check out its affect on Testosterone and/or estrogen. My hunch is that the supplement caused your T to nosedive or your estrogen level to rise. At any rate, my pal, you got a brief introduction to the life of most men after age 55. That is why so many men are on T supplementation—to make them feel like men again. While not on it myself, the consideration is always there. My physician friend is 68 and is on compounded T cream that he rubs daily into his thighs. He says he is 19 again in every sense of the word 19 if you and I get his drift—and we do. He threw his cialis away and is into mulitorgasmic sex with his sweetie. His only other supplement is HGH amino acids which he sprays under his tongue twice daily—a product manufactured by Orenda. Many doctors here in my town are into this company for quality of life products.

Anyway, just wanted you to know that you got a taste of what your life may be like years from now. Being the fighter you are, I have no doubt you will remedy any problems associated with aging.

Forget I asked about this stuff.

Originally Posted by thinktank
” I started to lose my natural perverted nature and unending horniness.”

Hey Mravg. While you are studying this supplement, check out its affect on Testosterone and/or estrogen. My hunch is that the supplement caused your T to nosedive or your estrogen level to rise. At any rate, my pal, you got a brief introduction to the life of most men after age 55. That is why so many men are on T supplementation—to make them feel like men again. While not on it myself, the consideration is always there. My physician friend is 68 and is on compounded T cream that he rubs daily into his thighs. He says he is 19 again in every sense of the word 19 if you and I get his drift—and we do. He threw his cialis away and is into mulitorgasmic sex with his sweetie. His only other supplement is HGH amino acids which he sprays under his tongue twice daily—a product manufactured by Orenda. Many doctors here in my town are into this company for quality of life products.

Anyway, just wanted you to know that you got a taste of what your life may be like years from now. Being the fighter you are, I have no doubt you will remedy any problems associated with aging.

Well, it is NOT that easy! You see…we have two factors in role when ‘fighting’ with ‘premature/quick ejaculation’:

1. Libido
2. Erection

When you make your T level go up you increase LIBIDO…when your libido is high it is extremely difficult to control orgasm-at least this is my experience. So boosting your T changes nothing in case of ‘orgasm control’. On the other hand, when LIBIDO is low it is difficult to get good erection. If you are as long as Mandingo your erection quality is not important at all :) Best solution is to have good erection with lower levels of Libido. This can be achieved with Viagra. The best solution would be to be able to have sex for 20 minutes(as with Paxil) and have erection like with Viagra. When I was taking Seroxat(EU Paxil-5 mg a day) I could control orgasm for 20 minutes and had no problem with Libido…erection was at 95-100% level so it may depend on different guys.

I do not think 5-HTP decreases your T levels. Such drugs or similar(like Paxil) are called ‘mental castration’. They delay orgasm in different way as I believe. There are men who take extreme portions(50 mg a day) of Paxil(or similar)-does it mean that they do not have T at all? I do not believe that. Without any T you are sure to get depression ! :)

Sparky,

Yes I practice edging and I read The Multi Orgasmic Man. I don’t have a huge problem with this, as my wife usually comes within 10 minutes and if I last longer, I am likely to hear a “hurry up and finish” from her. But sometimes I disappoint myself and need to cum right when she is demanding “don’t stop!”

I guess every guy wishes he has perfect control.

thinktank,

I understand your point, and at age 46, I have already seen changes in myself and I know I need to be mentally prepared to grow old gracefully. That doesn’t mean give up on being manly, but to accept that changes are inevitable as we age, as I can see in my hair, my skin, my gut, etc.

Growing old sucks, but you are right I am a fighter. I am in really good shape and work out and mountain bike regularly. But my 6 pack is gone and simply watching what I eat is not enough. My metabolism is not what it used to be, and I am starting to wonder what exactly it will take to lose 10 pounds of fat that is bothering me right now.

As for my sex life, it is still great, and I am still a horny bastard (got done doing my wife about 30 minutes ago). I have sex most days and masturbate every day. However, I know my erection is not as quick to spring to attention as it used to be. I love sex and I value my sex life with my wife more than almost anything. If I was a single guy, I might feel more pressure to be the longest lasting, biggest, hardest dicked, stud on the planet, but since my wife is happy with our sex, I need to put things in perspective. Lasting longer in bed is not important enough to give up my my drive and my love for, and sexual thoughts of, women.


Horny Bastard

Now that I have been off the 5 HTP for a week, my body is reacting in a very unusual way. I have been sleeping like a ROCK, and find it very difficult to wake up, and I’m very groggy in the morning. I feel like I have cloudy head all day, and I have been tired during the day. I am still experiencing some good control, fucking my wife for a good 15 to 20 minutes the last couple of days, (2 days ago I had her screaming, but today she was just worn out and told me to hurry up and cum. It’s not always so great to last a long time).

It almost seems like my body has reacted to the cessation of 5HTP by producing more serotonin, although I don’t know if this is true or even possible. I’m sure I will slowly return to my normal balance, whatever that is.

This whole experience has me thinking about the mind/body connection and how it relates to orgasms. I always thought the SSRI effect on orgasm was purely chemical in nature, with serotonin somehow effecting the biochemistry that leads to orgasm. However, it seems that a part of the effect is simply caused by not being mentally aroused, not being turned on, or finding a sexual situation to be erotic. I often cum because I just find the situation to be so hot, and when my wife does certain things or starts to be obviously stimulated and close to orgasm, it puts me over the edge.

I am thinking that this revelation might be useful. One can not control his own serotonin levels, but can control his own mind. Finding the way to control your level of arousal by figuring out how you control your thoughts when confronted with an erotic situation, maybe can lead to better orgasm control. Now that I know what it feels like to look at my wife sucking my dick and think that it is boring, maybe it is possible for me to train myself to keep my mental arousal down.


Horny Bastard


Last edited by mravg : 04-14-2007 at .

A very good thread going here yall. What caught my attention was the libido. I’ve taken every damn thing under the sun, to no avail.

I think its a mind/lifestyle situation for me. I have NO problem with erections now! Just no desire to put it to use with the ol lady(wife). As for trying more supps and stuff, I’ve given up. And as for Paxil,,,just my two cents worth, was what started my decline in libido. I took it for SAD and altho’ it made life much more enjoyable,,,the hell with sex.

BTW, as of last week, I’m now on Norvasc! (the downward spiral )

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