I happen to be a satisfied client of the Optimal System With Weights.It was before it went to the internet back in 1996.
Using the Optimal system I gained 3” in a 15 moth period with two one month interruptions.Back then there were two versions of the system.One to be used all day with low weights,that was the first one to hit the internet in 1997.The other one with heavy weights is the one currently in the net.(It requires from 45’ to 3 daily hours of hanging time).
The Optimal attachment is pretty comfortable and allows quite heavy weights to be used.
The books offered by the system,besides giving you the routines,provide something none else deals with in such a serious fashion which is how to develop power of will to stick with the routine till acomplishment of the PE goals.Without a very strong motivation,no matter how good your hanger is,you get nowhere fast.Only for the content of the manual the system is a good buy.
I am sure Gustav(The owner of the Optimal Site), respects and even admires Bib for his work and achievements.To my mind Bib is the undisputed lord of penis enlargement with weights.
The radiator clump was not invented by Gustav or Bib and it is the only common ground between both hangers,which is nothing more than a coincidence.The Optimal system was developed before penis enlargement hit the net at all!
Many people want to buy a decent hanger with weights and a manual,and are not inclined to search for components and parts by themselves,and those people may greatly benefit from the Optimal system.
I certainly had my life changed by Gustavs Optimal System,and am very grateful to his work.
So why does the vinyl piece look like the original Bib?
I have been around since June of ‘98, and never heard of the system before.
Hi, Gustav. We never said your hanging device doesn’t work, just that it looks like the original Bib. I don’t see why people would buy a simple device that they can assemble themselves. As far as the motivation that you ship with the product, take a look around these forums. You could read for months and never run out of motivational threads to enjoy.
Thank you for finding Thunder’s Place and responding to this thread. Please feel free to share more of your personal experiences and knowledge. The more input guys here give, the more others will benefit.
Bib,the piece is made out of vinyl,but is completely different from your old device.The device was in the net since late 1997 with low weights because with higher weights had not enough testing done yet.Optimal was the pioneer of commercial internet penis enlargement and most of the strategies and methods that you see now have been blantantly copied from Optimal by the newcammers.
31:I am Kosta11,I guess gustav would not intervene in such an imflamatory
and insulting thread himself,although being a friend of him I know he agrees with my position.
>The device was in the net since late 1997 with low weights because with higher weights had not enough testing done yet.Optimal was the pioneer of commercial internet penis enlargement and most of the strategies and methods that you see now have been blantantly copied from Optimal by the newcammers.<
That would beg the question, why has even a mention of the system been posted on PEforums, Thunders, etc, until now?
>>I am Kosta11,I guess gustav would not intervene in such an imflamatory and insulting thread himself,although being a friend of him I know he agrees with my position.<<
My apologies, your post read like Gustav wrote it.
Regardless, my point remains: We never said the Optimal hanging device doesn’t work, just that it looks like the original Bib. I don’t see why people would buy a simple device that they can assemble themselves.
Bib:bits me.The Optimal system is well known by thousands.
31:You cannot put together the Optimal System easily.There are manufactured components on it(The Vinyl sleeve)That require machinery and skills.It also comes in two sizes for the price of one.It works and for its price it certainly does the job properly.
Hey Kosta, wait- before you part. You say you achieved 3 inches in 15 months. That’s pretty amazing. The best I ever herd of. Have you kept your gains? Do you still hang? Whats your routine, dude? What are your stats? Are you cut? Oh wait, Israel. Have the chicks noticed? Do you have turkey neck? Ever had a thrombosed vein? Man, that sucks don’t it? Does Gustav hang? Do you ever think Optimer Systems will work for me? I need length reel bad. Wanna be 12 x 8”! Whats a radiator clump?
Let me know. Thanks —-Cap
Cya at 8
All I know is that the site really sucks. I cant see a thing. No thanks.