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Originally Posted by LongVehicle

…Good point…but why? I am not assuming it to be truly continuous, but do you think it is a natural discrete event? Or are we stimulating it correctly (nutrition, sleep, whatever) and then failing somehow to continue?

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Well, let’s leave apart weigth training for a while; I think real PE gains are discrete, yes. What one see after a good PE session is a temporary reponse - fluids build up, elastic elongation etc., that could hint a good work; it could be also be misinterpreted.

Real gains are coming from healing; I think an appreciable amount of damage is required to see gains, so an appreciable amount of recovery (so, delay in time). I suspect there is kinda a ‘point of accumulation’ of damage, above the one gains start. If this point is not reached, no permanent gains are achieved.

I suppose also there is a range of damage that cause the kind of gains we are interested in: surpassed that, no gains, but stalling/strengthening; surpassed the stalling damage, injury.

Basically, as often in my posts, a bunch of hypothesis, based on personal experience and anecdotes. :)

Originally Posted by LongVehicle

…. On this note: Berrett replied on the original thread a little while ago with some pump/clamp experience, check it out.

Ehmm…who’s Berrett?

Originally Posted by marinera
Well, let’s leave apart weigth training for a while; I think real PE gains are discrete, yes. What one see after a good PE session is a temporary reponse - fluids build up, elastic elongation etc., that could hint a good work; it could be also be misinterpreted.

Real gains are coming from healing; I think an appreciable amount of damage is required to see gains, so an appreciable amount of recovery (so, delay in time). I suspect there is kinda a ‘point of accumulation’ of damage, above the one gains start. If this point is not reached, no permanent gains are achieved.

I suppose also there is a range of damage that cause the kind of gains we are interested in: surpassed that, no gains, but stalling/strengthening; surpassed the stalling damage, injury.

Basically, as often in my posts, a bunch of hypothesis, based on personal experience and anecdotes. :)

Very interesting marinera. The problem is that I had the complete opposite experience. When I tried Big Girtha’s clampathons I had to back away to recover, and didn’t end up growing as much as I do now, without over-fatiguing. My gains, however, are still noticeably discrete.

Why don’t we try some of this stuff out? Something of a shock routine, over-fatiguing and then rest (mixed in with using different exercises).

Originally Posted by marinera
Ehmm…who’s Berrett?

The gentleman who had a micro-penis I believe. He is one of the most recent posts on the advanced clamping thread.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Why don’t we try some of this stuff out? Something of a shock routine, over-fatiguing and then rest (mixed in with using different exercises).

See the reason why I didn’t believe in the “de-conditioning” theory is because I didn’t attribute its necessity to accumulated fatigue. My idea was to attempt to make the process of growth as continuous as possible by never over-fatigueing myself.

As I said, my experience with Clampathons was negative. But, the discrete nature of the gains as you pointed out, is interesting. Maybe instead of trying to make it continuous we should be expanding on that?

Originally Posted by marinera
But if one trains naturally, taking a week off after some weeks is the way to go. The basic model of weigthlifting training of Russians before the diffusion of steroids, for example, the Verhochansky pyramidal training, was a period of 6 weeks training, 2 weeks of total rest, and another two weeks of very light training to recall previous adaptation.

Old weigth trainers, and also old strongmen, always agreed on this principle: never touch your max in training, or you’ll plateau for a long time.

Hmmm…. sounds familiar. Tntjockey did PE for 6 weeks on and 2 weeks off and gained well. This was a couple years after he started PE if I remember correctly so it wasn’t newbie gains.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Indeed. Stimuli -> adaptation. But, adaptation is connected to stimuli. Now remember how I said in the deconditioning break you would lose your muscle (bodybuilding)? Well, you’d also lose it if you stopped working out period. PE gains don’t seem to be that way. This is evidence for your argument - collagen and smooth muscle hypertrophy don’t have the same stimuli -> adaptation relationship it seems.

Very good points.

How can you lose muscle if you are eating enough calories during a deconditioning break in bodybuilding? Over time, if your body doesn’t use muscle it will eat away at it but for that to happen, it would take years, not weeks, along with lack of nutrition. Someone can lose a ton of muscle if they exercise for hours a day and don’t eat anything but that’s the extreme.

Originally Posted by ShyMplsMale
How can you lose muscle if you are eating enough calories during a deconditioning break in bodybuilding? Over time, if your body doesn’t use muscle it will eat away at it but for that to happen, it would take years, not weeks, along with lack of nutrition. Someone can lose a ton of muscle if they exercise for hours a day and don’t eat anything but that’s the extreme.

You would think right? You can’t lose muscle easily unless you are very far from your “equilibrium.” If you weigh 300 lbs. and go on a 2 week break you will lose muscle. So it is relative. It all depends on how difficult that muscle is to maintain - ie how far it is from your natural state (basically).

Well, if you guys want to speak specifically of muscle/strength gains, start a thread in the fitness section.

That is true. I remember seeing a few bodybuilding pros that retired and their muscle mass is way down. I do believe a lot of it was due to maybe not eating enough and being off the juice or not working out as hard or as much. Going back to PE, to actually lose cemented gains in PE would take more than a few months I believe.

Originally Posted by marinera
Well, if you guys want to speak specifically of muscle/strength gains, start a thread in the fitness section.

Sorry marinera. I was off topic. Back on topic now :D

Back to topic..

I was having sex today and caught a glimpse of my unit in the mirror from behind and I must say wowza.

There is a real difference, it looks like someone has put a pumped up dick on me.

I noticed a length visual difference also.

What has this got to do with the thread? Well, I just had a week off, and I’m sure my penis has gained, it looks so muscle bound and strong.

That’s great, 17ml.

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