Real Size Vs Perception

Unless they were erect, that doesn’t mean much.

Flaccid size isn’t necessarily indicative of erect size.

Again every study presented is 1600 to 3000 specimes, so that makes it for around 300 of each race. That is not a serious study. Pfizer did a slightly larger study and we all know by now that was pure BS.

Precisely. Showers tend to grow very little compared to growers anyway. Scientific studies triumph over anecdotes, easily. I guess people want their racist fantasies to be fulfilled even if it’s not reality.

The sample size was quite big, and because it dismantles the racist myths you believe in, doesn’t mean the study isn’t “serious,” whatever that means. It just means you have serious problems acknowledging the ground reality that one race isn’t bigger than the other, except for minimal differences that don’t even matter. I don’t know the study you are referring to, but it’s not important because I didn’t talk about that study.

Why the fuck are you calling me a racist?
You know, I lived in the apartheid and one of my best friends in south africa got his son killed by a racist group so I take racist slurs like yours seriously.
Don’t ever call me a racist for calling out facts that don’t have shit to do with racism. If you think 3000 people is a good sample to represent 4 billion people, then my friend, you’ve got serious problems.

You know, Hitler was from Europe, does that make you a nazi? Nopes. You became one by yourself when you started calling everybody a racist for bringing up a certain study conducted by so called scientists. Why? Because that’s what Nazis do. Lol Yes this was sarcastic.

Warning to both of you to dial down the aggression. Debate the topic, do not attack the individual.

Honestly I always knew I was doing PE for myself, much much more than for my partner. As a consequence, I always focused over NBP and, to a lesser degree, flaccid length (something about the locker room syndrome).

But i want to add something that could be useful: over the years, with my gf then wife we played a lot in the so called lifestyle - we had our share of threesomes, foursomes and so on. Almost every time with just a single woman, her, and multiple men. We even had quite a few gangbangs, so you can imagine how many penises I saw. I’m talking about real life penises, from men who were confident enough to meet and have sex around.
You might expect them being all >8 inches. The truth is, 80% of them has been 6" or slightly more. The others were smaller; only a couple really were 8". When we tried to find someone bigger, it’s been INCREDIBLY difficult.
Up to then I considered myself average, with my 6.5 inches. Then I started to believe her when she told me I was big.

My wife and I are in the lifestyle too and while we only occasionally partake, and no gang bangs so far, but my experience mirrors yours.

I also recently started a thread (perspective on the importance of size) which links to a Reddit thread on the swinger subreddit discussing the importance of penis size in the lifestyle.
That thread shows pretty overwhelmingly that size is an issue just in men’s minds and the vast majority of women in the lifestyle (aka women who fuck recreationally with many partners) don’t correlate size to pleasure and enjoyment.
Most say that anything above 6in is just for visual novelty and more often a detriment to pleasure rather than an enhancement.

While there is a small minority of size queens, even their idea of “big” is 6-7in.

I’m surprised nobody has bothered to look at that thread. It’s actual people who actually fuck a lot of other people for fun talking about the importance of size. That’s about as “from the horse’s mouth” as you can get.
It can be found here:
Perspective On The Importance Of Size

I’ll take a proper study any day over the opinion of some random dude on the internet. One has credibility (the study), one doesn’t (you). That’s just the facts. ;)

Also, I didn’t say you were racist, I said you believed in racist myths. Are you a myth? NO. I suggest reading my messages properly before going on an unnecessary rant.

IF you want to convince someone, you will have to use studies. And so far the studies are speaking in my favor, not yours.

I’m exactly doing that: debating the topic (perception versus real size). I’m using science (real size) to back me up, the other person is just going by fantasies/racist myths (perception).

I saw it, and others may have, too. It’s such a unique world that I think most of us can’t contribute anything of meaning unless in the lifestyle, too.

I’m always interested to hear about size from swingers or from gay guys. Straight, monogamous guys typically don’t have much perspective.

Oh really?
Explain to me how you identify an albino african in a crowd of white people. Quite an easy task btw.
There are many physical differences between races. One clear example of that is in feet size and also shape.
For example Black people have a particular heel shape that makes it a little bit more difficult for them to swim. However that same difference apparently helps them run faster.
Asians tend to have no curls. Have very different eye shape and face features from other races. You literally can tell one asian from another race by just looking at the physical differences in a colorless picture.
So each race has different particular features. That’s is no myth.

Then there are plenty of these.
International penis sizes compared
Or this
Fact Check: Are There Really Racial Differences In Penis Size? - Sex and Psychology
Or even this
Pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24784891/

I could place hundreds of different research papers from a wide range of well respected sources such as the last, only a few speak of "no difference" (and even some of those actually say there is a marginal difference). Where is the myth? Where is the racism?

Even when you didn’t quite understand that I was actually saying that there is no study with enough people under the same measurement method and tooling, that includes a sample large enough to make for a rather accurate representation of the 4 billion men that exists in this world.

What I am saying is that there is still not enough evidence to claim that penis size is either equal or different (as a median) between races. Is that clear? But it wouldn’t surprise me if there is a difference, given that races differ physically in other ways too.

So, are we speaking the same language now?

Second and last warning to Cockologist and Redmorsilla. You are derailing this thread. If you want to continue the discussion, start your own thread. The next violation from either of you will result in a time out.

Noted.

If we are talking perception vs real size, then a penis that when erect is bent downwards, will look bigger than one that has an upward curve but is the same BPEL. At least on a standing position. But that will sort of revert if those penises are held at an upward angle.
So that’s partly why some girls say that a dude you know has bigger size than what you know he has.
Then some girls will have no clue on calculating sizes by looks.
Then some people have dyscalculia. That condition renders them impossible to calculate things without some serious efforts.

I agree with all of this.

This is an interesting topic of discussion that I’ve had with quite a few girls and guys. Anybody who has ever ventured into the swinger realm should have a pretty good idea of what people perceive about size vs. Reality.

I am NBPEL 7.5 x 6. I can’t tell you how many people have asserted that I have a 9" dick. Also, I can’t tell you how many people have claimed to have 8"+ and have been smaller than me (which I always comment about because I’m kind of a dick and dislike disingenuous people).

I blame guys for misrepresenting themselves as something larger, which is then forwarded to women who will, understandably, never pull out a ruler and check; therefore, a cycle is wrong and relatively unverifiable information continues to circulate. Without having a concept of size, I suppose a girthy 7" dick could be perceived as something way larger; however, I don’t really excuse it because I think it’s overall damaging. Any honest guy who says they have 6" may be laughed at because the reality of size is completely skewed.

Also, to Redmorsilla’s point, the manner of angle plays a huge factor is perceived size. IMO, circumcision does as well.

OK. Let’s take as a given we all “here” have varying degrees of obsession in our cock size…but as I watched her grab a cucumber to peel and slice tonight all I obsessed on was seeing how far her fingers reached around it, and had to fight an urge to whip out a tape measure for a girth comparison…