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Have you hit a PLATEAU?

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Have you PEed for at least six months and experienced a plateau?

YES, I have experienced a plateau according to the definition below.

9479.66%

NO, I have not experienced a plateau according to the definition below.

75.93%

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Originally Posted by pocopeepee
I haven’t taken enough dc breaks to know. I have been pe’ing for years, but very very off and on. Just as I would notice anything, I would enhance and lose it all, become discouraged, and quit. Then I would see me little dick for months wishing I knew what to do, and I would start over but end up doing the same thing.
I stumbled on Thunders and tried again, got a little growth and instantly plateaued. This time I kept going, trying different things, for 7 months, and nothing. Took a 3 1/2 week break and started again. I got another 1/4” spurt and was so excited I kept adding things to my routine. Well I instantly plateaued and even lost a little of the gain.
I am now 4 days in my new break, and plan on it lasting 2-3 weeks. Then starting again and see if I get another spurt. If I do, I will atleast know what makes me grow. But since I’ve only payed attention to this last break, I can’t say for sure if it was what worked. But I do know to keep it lighter and a bit more simple now.

Poco,

You’re story is very similar to a lot of PEers — gaining, going all out, plateauing, quiting, coming back, getting a spurt of gains, going all out, plateauing, quiting, and repeating… .

In your case, you probably want to do some type of IPR training (with logically planned out decon breaks in your routine).


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I think I may have just have hit my first plateau.

I won’t really know for another month or so, so I’ve not voted.

It’s frustrating since I’m only 2 eighths of an inch short of my length goal.


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Sorry to hear that fantastic,

Do you have a progress log anywhere?


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Unfortunately I don’t. I just have a pen and paper graph.

I basically started off with a Penimaster and switched to hanging with a BibHanger about six months later, and have used a mixture of hanging and ADS ever since.

Apart from a three-month deconditioning break I’ve been PEing constantly since I started. I hang just over 3kg (I’ve never been able to hang any heavier than that for more than one or two sets (and anything over 4kg gives me burst blood vessels due to the pressure below the hanger)) and apart from a brief try at jelqing I’ve done no manual routine.

I’ve steadily increased the amount of tractive force, first with the Penimaster (starting at a low tension and gradually increasing it as quickly as I was physically able), then with the BibHanger (by adding weight incrementally until I found the ideal weight for my 12sets a day hanging routine).

Any more increases in weight I make will be in the order of ounces rather than pounds (I’m unable to hang very heavy weights).


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Perhaps that’s the reason you have gained so steadily without a big major plateau — you’ve been able to systematically implement progressive overload due to the devices. Hell, maybe that’s why Bib, Monty, and Dustpan have been able to do the same.

How long have you been PEing “Mr. Plastic Fantastic”?


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About two years this month (or maybe next month). My goal was to be a bp8 by February of 2007, so I’m just about there if I can just tease out another 16th of an inch.

Personally I think constant and consistent increase is really key, and I think one of the reasons I might have only just now plateaued could be because I’ve reached the limit at which I can comfortably hang, which might mean a deconditioning break is in order.

A lot of people talk about trying to get to a heavy weight, but most of the old hangers who reached heavy weights did so because they kept having to increase the weight to maintain gains (if my reading is correct, back then the concept of the deconditoning break wasn’t as readily accepted as it is now (it might not even have been thought of when guys like Bib were hanging, although nothing would surprise me when it comes to PE, if I’m wrong hopefully someone’ll chime in to set the record straight)).

It seems to me that a heavy weight is a symptom rather than a cause.

I personally think that one of the advantages gained from the deconditioning break is that you can’t hang as heavy when you get back from one. My advice would be to not rush that period since if you can draw that period out you might find that you’re able to make more gains than you might by hurriedly trying to get back up to your old weight.

I feel I should point out however that I haven’t read about IPR Protocol just yet, so my information could be considered a little out of date at this point. Also, I’m not sure if I’ve actually plateaued yet. I should know in about another month or so (I’ve been a little inconsistent lately and I think it’s hurt my gain-rate, but I’m back in the zone now so I should know for certain soon).


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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-09-2006 at .

2 years of persisten PE with no plateau? That’s amazing… Congratulations are in order!

Mr. PF, I think you hit the nail on the head: most guys are in a rush to get to high weight, thinking that is where the gains are… And that’s why — I presume — they don’t gain. Kind or ironic if you ask me. In many cases, PEers overtrain their penis; rather than prepare it for the high weight.

IMO, one of the keys to PEing succesfully is incorporating progressive overload in a steady, systematic manner. If PEers don’t move up in a steady manner, they can do more harm than good (by over conditioning their penis).

And Mr. PF, don’t let IPR change your opinions about your peni’s reaction to PE… results are never out of date :)

Also, what were your starting stats?


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Originally Posted by remek
2 years of persisten PE with no plateau? That’s amazing… Congratulations are in order!

Thanks remek. I was always dreading hitting my first plateau but it just never came.

I don’t have starting girth measurements, but I think they were probably just a little less than where they’re at now— because of the number of times I’ve heard it said that girth work harms length-gains, apart from a few sessions to try out the exercises and test the equipment I haven’t done any girth work.

My starting length, if I remember correctly was about bp6”, so I’ve made some pretty good gains compared to the average 1” gain, but I want to be a bp8”.

If I pinch and pull my flaccid I’m over bp8” but that doesn’t translate to erect length gains (I’m probably an ebp8” with Viagra and vasodialators but I want to be an ebp8” with a basic standard erection, which for me means being able to measure about a bp8 & 3/8ths to 8.5” with a pinch-pull. Right now I’m measuring bp8 & 2/8ths with a pinch-pull.

Originally Posted by remek
IMO, one of the keys to PEing succesfully is incorporating progressive overload in a steady, systematic manner. If PEers don’t move up in a steady manner, they can do more harm than good (by over conditioning their penis).

I believe so too.

Heavy hangers report making the most gains at a certain weight and it makes everyone think that that’s the “ideal weight” for making gains and so they set about trying to condition their units to hang heavier as fast as they possibly can so as to hang that “ideal weight” and really they’re probably just working against themselves (I tried to do the very same thing but I just found it impossible to hang any more than about 5kg).

Also— there’s nothing to say that the heavy-hangers didn’t make those gains because they were most consistent during the time-period that they hung those weights. To me — based on my experience — that would seem more likely. I could tell you the weight I made my best gains at: the weight I was hanging when I was most committed and had my routine dialed in and totally habitualized.


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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-09-2006 at .

I ran out of editing time— that last paragraph should have read:

Also— there’s nothing to say that the heavy-hangers didn’t make faster gains at those particular weights because they were more consistent during the time-period that they hung at those weights. To me — based on my experience — that would seem more likely. I could tell you the weight I made my best gains at: the weight I was hanging when I was most committed and had my routine dialed in and totally habitualized.

My apologies if that sounds a little preachy. Didn’t mean it to be :)


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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-09-2006 at .

length vs girth plateau difference

I should clarify that for me my plateau has been in gaining more erect length. I consider myself very fortunate in that I continue to make girth gains after many years of PE.


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Remek,
I’m attempting a mild break now, and I just don’t really know my plan of attack after it’s done. I tried 2 weeks of the Babbis routine after my last break and achieved nothing. I then tried hanging and pumping, got nothing.
Then I switched hanging to clamping and included some mild jelqing and kept the pumping going, I jumped a quarter inch in a week. It was incredible.

After that, I got nothing so I added more time, intensity, and experiments, and still didn’t get anymore growth. I really don’t want to do a break since I just had one, but I beat my dick senseless. Now tomorrow will be 5 full days of no exercise at all, which I feel should be good from such a short time span.
But I figured if a cut or bruise takes 2 weeks to heal on me, I may as well stick it out. I do plan to pump this weekend when I see my girl, just because I like the feeling. :)
But it will be a mild pump, and only one day.

I just measured because I was curious while typing this. I am back down to
6 3/4” bp and I was touching 7 after that spurt. That is discouraging, however my girth went up, can’t figure that out but it was between 5 1/4 and 5 1/2. So I guess I can’t complain because that is the girth with no pe in days.
I think I am going to take some cialis before bed, to keep some very hard night erections. I usually get the night wood anyways, but if I’m not exercising, I think it would be smart to keep him full of blood to keep him stretched while healing.
But anyways after next week, I start up again. I may just do jelqing and pumping for a couple weeks then bring back in the clamping. (That’s what seemed to work for me)
Hopefully it will again.

poco,

A few things:

First, I know the pumped feeling you’re talking about, it’s greats ;)

Second, I didn’t realize you tried babbis’s newbie routine. How long was your break before trying it? I’m not surprised it didn’t work for you… It’s pretty much designed for guys who don’t have a pre-conditioned penis.

Third, what is your goal? Length or girth — or both?

Also, getting an erection is PE. It’s light PE, but it’s still PE… So IMO, if your goal is strictly rest and healing, then feeding your penis cialis before bed probably won’t help with that goal. It probably will, however, help with cementing.

And here is a good thread about clamping: Gaining girth using IPR protocol, MX, quik, doubles, and a few other guys talk about using less intensity when clamping for more gains. Maybe it can help you. Nevertheless, good luck!


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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic
Thanks remek. I was always dreading hitting my first plateau but it just never came.

I don’t have starting girth measurements, but I think they were probably just a little less than where they’re at now— because of the number of times I’ve heard it said that girth work harms length-gains, apart from a few sessions to try out the exercises and test the equipment I haven’t done any girth work.

That’s interesting. I never really prescribed to the length first, girth second theory. But hey, it’s worked for you. Do you plan on working on girth once you hit your BPEL goal?

I believe so too.

Heavy hangers report making the most gains at a certain weight and it makes everyone think that that’s the “ideal weight” for making gains and so they set about trying to condition their units to hang heavier as fast as they possibly can so as to hang that “ideal weight” and really they’re probably just working against themselves (I tried to do the very same thing but I just found it impossible to hang any more than about 5kg).

Also— there’s nothing to say that the heavy-hangers didn’t make faster gains at those particular weights because they were more consistent during the time-period that they hung at those weights. To me — based on my experience — that would seem more likely. I could tell you the weight I made my best gains at: the weight I was hanging when I was most committed and had my routine dialed in and totally habitualized.
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So, you’ve never hung more than 11 lbs.? 2 inches with low weight? We need to spread the word to the beginners!

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I ran out of editing time— that last paragraph should have read:

No problem :)


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My posts to this thread are probably more to do with avoiding a plateau than dealing with an existing plateau, so arguably there is relevance (so please no flames ;) )

It’s worth noting that I’ve not read up on IPR protocol yet, so everyone reading the following, please bear that in mind.

Also— my method involves hanging more or less like a full-time occupation, including evenings and weekends, and I know most people don’t have that time to spare but it might be worth reading the information anyway just to get a better idea of the process.

Originally Posted by remek
That’s interesting. I never really prescribed to the length first, girth second theory. But hey, it’s worked for you. Do you plan on working on girth once you hit your BPEL goal?

Absolutely. I’ve got the equipment and I’ve practiced the exercises and I really can’t wait to get started. It’s just this last 16th of an inch or so in length that I’m yet to get that’s stopping me from switching to girth work today.

I’ve never been totally sure about whether I should work just on length, or whether I could work girth at the same time, but when I started, the idea that girth work could hinder gains was pretty prevalent and I didn’t want to risk slowing my length gains at all, so I thought I’d err on the side of safety (I’m even a little wary of IPR protocol because of the regular breaks, but it looks like there could be something to it— it makes logical sense at least and some of the guys seem to be getting good results with it. If and when it’s proven I’d say it would definitely be the way to go.)

On a side-note: When I do start girth work I’m probably going to have a lot of discolouration. I’ve experimented with clamping to test the methods and equipment and I’m already becoming discoloured. I’m probably going to end up with discoloration like aristocane’s.

Originally Posted by remek
So, you’ve never hung more than 11 lbs.? 2 inches with low weight? We need to spread the word to the beginners!

I’ve posted about it before, but I have to say that I don’t think I’m average (I find it impossible to hang heavier than about 11lbs for more than one or two sets (three at the most)) so my techniques may not work for everyone due to possible differences in the achievable time-to-weight-ratio.

I used just the Penimaster extensively for the first six months or so and then switched to a BibHanger & Penimaster combination. I hang as many sets as I possibly can every day at (as a rule of thumb) a weight that fatigues me by the end of each twenty minute set (at the moment that weight is just over 3kg including the weight of the BibHanger. That generally works out, on average, to about between 10 and 12 sets a day.

Although I’ve hung low weights, the entire time I’ve been PEing, I’ve more or less consistently increased the force applied. Also— I hang a lower weight so that I can hang more or less all day. The surgeon in the Channel 4 documentary “The Perfect Penis”, who performed the operation on the guy’s suspensory ligament told him something like (this isn’t an exact quote but it’s close enough for the point to be clear)— ‘you have to hang a minimum of eight hours, if you call me and tell me you’ve hung seven and a half hours I’ll tell you you’ve just wasted seven and a half hours’.

…That’s probably as close as we’re going to get to official medical advice on hanging from a doctor. Hanging for eight hours a day means a low weight, but bear in mind that that guy was the equivalent of a thundersplace newbie since he’d not practiced any PE.

My 12 sets takes me about 6 hours (or at least it would if I stuck totally strictly to ten minute breaks and didn’t hang a few minutes over twenty minutes each set), so I’m a little short of the eight hours, but I hang in a slightly different way:

I adjust the weight so that at the beginning of each twenty minute set it’s no trouble to hang, but so that by the end of the set my unit’s fatigued to the point that I couldn’t hang for much longer even if I didn’t have to detach the hanger to restore blood-flow. This way I feel as though I’m hedging my bets re. both cell mitosis and plastic deformation, since I get to hang for up to 12 sets (and sometimes more) but still get all the feelings of fatigue I’d get by hanging just a few sets at a heavier weight, but as I say I’m not sure I’m average, so others might have difficulty achieving a similar time-to-weight-ratio.

Previously I’ve been forced to take at least one rest day a week due to the fact that over six to seven days of constant hanging my unit gets fatigued to the point that I can’t hang more than one or two sets at 3kg (11lbs) on the seventh day of every week. Right now that figure has increased to 8 sets on the seventh day, which might be further indication of the need for either a deconditioning break or an increase in weight.

Also— for completeness’s sake, here’s a little detail on my sets (for all newbies listening in: please bear in mind that I’ve been hanging almost every day for a year and a half. Please follow the guidelines for hanging, note well the information in this post, but don’t try to match the hang times below. They’ll happen for you naturally over time)…

My first set can often last up to an hour before fatigue and impending numbness force me to discontinue (this i count as 3 sets towards the 12 set total).

My second and third sets can last up to half an hour before fatigue and impending numbness force me to discontinue (I add these two sets together and count the total as three sets towards the 12 set total, e.g. two half-hour sets makes a total of one hour spent with weights attached, which equals three twenty minute sets, at least in terms of time (maybe not effect, but that’s a different issue— at this point I’m timing and counting ‘sets’ to motivate me and measure — for want of a better word — my ‘productivity’)).

Following those first three long sets I switch to hanging sets of twenty five minutes. For each four twenty five minute sets I hang I add an extra set to the 12 set total to make up for the extra five minutes in every set.

I continue hanging for 25 minutes in each set for as long as I can, reducing the time as necessary due to fatigue until I’m too fatigued to hang for more than 19 minutes in a set at which point I switch to an ADS for as long as I can stand it (I discontinue the ADS when I feel the fatigue about to turn into a stinging sensation).

I think the key to gains at lower weights is to keep as precise a record as you can so that you can see if your gaining at the lower weights. If you are, then stick with that weight and only increase it as the gains slow (or preempt the decreased gain-rate by increasing the weight very slowly over time, but keep measuring so that you can see how things are going). There’s a maximum gain rate— If you can hit that maximum rate at 11lbs why try and hang 25lbs the next day? When I increase my weight I increase in the order of ounces, not pounds but as I say, based on my reading at thundersplace, I don’t think I’m particularly average, which might mean others may not be able to achieve the same kind of time:weight ratio that I use.


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Last edited by Mr. Fantastic : 11-10-2006 at .

Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

It’s frustrating since I’m only 2 eighths of an inch short of my length goal.

I’m curious, Fantastic, why do you always present 1/4” as 2/8”?

(Especially since it is so clear to everyone else that you are at least 4/16” away from your goal.)


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