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What can be defined as a realistic goal?

Originally Posted by Azurro
Does it increase the state of the penis when erect as well?

Gains will increase in all aspects.

So flaccid “turtled”, normal flaccid, and erect.

For some of us the flaccid gains came first. To me this was a bonus because I have always been a grower. I still am a grower but I show more than I used to.

*Turtled is a reference we make to when the flaccid penis is almost retracting into itself. Almost as small as it can be.


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I’d say a half inch in length and a quarter inch in girth. I’ve gained about a half inch length (which I wasn’t targeting in the first place) in over ten years of PE. I’d trade it for a quarter inch in girth, though.


Currently 7.75 BPEL x 5.25 mseg

By state of penis when erect I actually meant the erection quality. Sorry for not properly explaining

A great post, BD! Most people here talk in terms of length or girth, and you’ve focused on cubic inches, explaining what is realistic, what is not, and why. It seems that PE gains level out and stop for just about everyone. I’ve never heard a good physiological reason for this. I am sure there is one, though.

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
I went through the PE statistics database quite a bit when I started out, probably as much as anybody has. Here’s my take on the often asked question of realistic PE goals.

1-4 cubic inches: An easy goal. If PE “works” for you at all, it is doable with moderate dedication. 98% of guys can achieve this (roughly the % that PE “works” for), if they truly want to.

4-8 cubic inches: A reasonable goal for most guys, provided high dedication over a few to several years. However, some guys can’t get there no matter how hard they try. I’d estimate 80% of guys can achieve this, if they truly want to. In the database, only about 35% of guys get there, because this level begins to require a significant time and effort commitment.

8-12 cubic inches: A difficult goal, borderline unrealistic for most, requiring high dedication over several years to even have a chance at it. Some lucky easy gainers will get there faster and with moderate efforts. However, for the vast majority of guys, a gain on this order will require that PE become part of their lifestyle, a regular practice for several years. I’d estimate 20% of guys can achieve this if they truly want to. This is a gain level where some guys (those with big starting sizes) would not even want to gain this much because it will begin to put them in the “too big” category for some women. In the database, only 8% of guys get there.

12+ cubic inches: A colossal goal, unrealistic for most, requiring complete dedication over many years to even have a chance at it. Most guys who get there are “easy gainers” who also put in all the time, learning, and effort to get there. You have to truly want it, and be a little lucky, to achieve this goal. Note that very few guys actually want to gain this much. Many say they want this much, but guys with average or big starting sizes will get to “huge” or even “monster” status before reaching this gains level and stop at the previous level, completely satisfied in their ending size. I’d estimate 5-10% of guys can get here IF THEY TRULY WANT TO. Again, very few guys truly want to gain this much, and the time commitment required starts to become highly prohibitive in the later years. PE must be a lifestyle practice to achieve this goal. In the database, only about 2.5% of guys get there.

Your goal of 7.0” x 5.5” would be a 7 cubic inch gain from your starting size.


Live long and prosper.

Nice math work bd. Veeery useful and, I think, optimistic for us beginners.

Work it, see what you can get out of it.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Nice job BeardedDragon !! Very Insightful data…I’ve never really focused too much on cubic inch gains. But your numbers and interpretations seems spot on to me. A lot of beginners should read and acknowledged this. Definitely hope to be in that third category someday, maybe not the fourth.

Thank you and congratulations on your gains.


Start : BPEL 6.1", MEG 4,6" Now : BPEL 7.9" , MEG 5.4"

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From reading the forum over several years I came away with the following some time ago, but don’t take my word for it:’
Newbie Gains: 1 inch length, 0.5 inch girth (gained as early as 3 month and seen as far out as 8-12 months)
Post-Newb Gains: 1 inch length, 0.5 inch girth (gained during the second year and requiring more effort)

So supposedly 2”x1” over 2 years if you really keep your shit rolling. Can’t say if this is right or not as I’ve always been sporadic in my efforts and I’m not up for another forum wide survey again. My main advice is be extremely vigilant in avoiding injuries with special attention to avoiding damage to the dorsal nerves along the top of the penis and then also avoid blisters opening up from pumping although Ive only had two occasions where blisters even formed (need a good supplier for a silicone sleeve, ABSilicone robbed me; bank got my money back). I’m just going to stick with heated pumping and very mild stretching and jelqing post-pumping until I fill up my 10”Lx6.25”circ. tube. Wish me luck, men!

Thanks Picodon and nice gains.


Before 5.5" x 4.1" volume 7.3 ci ////// Now 7.4" x 4.9" volume 14.1 ci

Originally Posted by jung
From reading the forum over several years I came away with the following some time ago, but don’t take my word for it:’
Newbie Gains: 1 inch length, 0.5 inch girth (gained as early as 3 month and seen as far out as 8-12 months)
Post-Newb Gains: 1 inch length, 0.5 inch girth (gained during the second year and requiring more effort)

So supposedly 2”x1” over 2 years if you really keep your shit rolling. Can’t say if this is right or not as I’ve always been sporadic in my efforts and I’m not up for another forum wide survey again. My main advice is be extremely vigilant in avoiding injuries with special attention to avoiding damage to the dorsal nerves along the top of the penis and then also avoid blisters opening up from pumping although I’ve only had two occasions where blisters even formed (need a good supplier for a silicone sleeve, ABSilicone robbed me; bank got my money back). I’m just going to stick with heated pumping and very mild stretching and jelqing post-pumping until I fill up my 10”Lx6.25”circ. Tube. Wish me luck, men!


New here, first post. Didn’t see a member introduction section..

Dang, 1” length in under a year would be GREAT! I need to find out what to do for specifically length, if I get much girthy(ier?) the wife will probably try to thin it out with a cheese grater. Lol

Low erection jelqing and stretching will hit length.

Although with stretching you will gain some girth near base of the penis.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
One clarification. The percentages in the above post are for the bottom of the ranges. I added some mid range estimates in this post to clarify. These are rough estimates with high dedication assumed.

1+ cubic inches gained: 98% can get there.
4+ cubic inches gained: 80% can get there.
6+ cubic inches gained: 50% can get there.
8+ cubic inches gained: 20% can get there.
10+ cubic inches gained: 10% can get there.
12+ cubic inches gained: 5% can get there.

So your goal of 7 cubic inches gained is perhaps something like a 40% chance rather than an 80% chance.

Currently up around 3. If I can get to 8 I’m laughing, as that puts me at 8.5”x5.5”, and even something like 9”x6” might be possible if I really really try.


Current: BPEL 7.9"/NBPEL 6.75" MEG 5.2", BPFL 6.5"/NBPFL 5.5" FG 4.4"

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Realistic Goal: BPEL 8.5"/NBPEL 7.5" EG 5.5" | Optimistic: BPEL 9"/NBPEL 8" MEG 5.75" | Dream: BPEL 10"/NBPEL 9" MEG 6.5"

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
One clarification. The percentages in the above post are for the bottom of the ranges. I added some mid range estimates in this post to clarify. These are rough estimates with high dedication assumed.

1+ cubic inches gained: 98% can get there.
4+ cubic inches gained: 80% can get there.
6+ cubic inches gained: 50% can get there.
8+ cubic inches gained: 20% can get there.
10+ cubic inches gained: 10% can get there.
12+ cubic inches gained: 5% can get there.

So your goal of 7 cubic inches gained is perhaps something like a 40% chance rather than an 80% chance.

I’ve got an idea that would turn out to be a solid feature for the forum. We just need a programmer so if anyone knows anyone here that is, give them a nudge.

The idea is to make Thunder’s own “expenctations for growth” calculator. You’d input your starting erect measurements of bone-pressed length and mid-girth and a couple of charts would then be presented with the same x- and y-axis as the compiled Thunder’s statistics graphs of “Starting” and “Gains”. These charts would show volume lines calculated out for each major bracket as stated above in BeardedDragon’s post (cubic inch gain possible at each bracket: 1+, 4+, 6+, etc). I was using the CalcSD calculator to get a volume number, then subtracting my starting volume to get a number that fell within 1+ to 12+ and there are so many potential length and girth combinations that will fall within that spectrum so I figure a graph-producing calculator would be helpful for anyone considering a venture into PE. It would show the brackets as clearly illustrated bands on the chart that you could hover your mouse over to see exactly what the length and girth would be at any point on the graph or on any “goal line”. I think this would set people up for realistic expectations and even give a sense of predicting where you’ll get to based on their proclivity to gain more on length or girth and maybe course correct on methodology. So let’s see if we can get this going; it’d be a solid tool for beginners and veterans alike and maybe even influence other forums like mattersofsize, various reddits, and lpsg.

BD basically said it best, but let me just give my 2 cents.

I was 5.2 inches when I began, and 5.7 when I joined TP. 6 years on I’m over 8 inches BPEL and I’m still going. Basically just seeing what I can reach, but then again, PE is a way of life for me, and I don’t think I will ever stop. If I reach 11 inches then great. If I don’t, no biggy. Still enjoying the journey.


Its the beginning of a new chapter. New things are scary, but not always bad.

My goal is to see if the various forms of PE that I’m interested in will actually work. The whole foundation of my PE philosophy is consistency and safety. After that I am prepared to throw the kitchen sink at it.

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