Need advice on anxiety meds for HF (Page 3)

02-17-2017, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dickerschwanz

With depression all contexts are “infected”. You are in a bad moord eating ice. Depressed watching a comedy…
Medication can thus give the incentive to get into another position.
In the end changing the context that lead to the depression is one way to get out of the stranglehold. Optimaly all while at least developing one context you have some interest and “fun” in. Im truly depressed at work sometimes but I have several other contexts where Im happy and the “work depression” isnt affecting me at all.
Getting out of your head and into the body is one step that will enable one to break the devils cycle. Medication is tricky as it changes nothing but the hormonal makeup. Finding fun in something while on the meds might be easy but might not be replicable when you are off the meds. It can even get worse. In a way that is what happens with drugs. Everything is fun stoned and soon it cant be fun without beeing stoned lol.
Tapering them off while maintaining focus on good contexts might work.. A professional that knows what to do on several levels is then gold. The pros I came across are simply giving meds and dial them up or down. Keeps one functioning as long as they are tuned right but solves nothing and creates a kind of zombie.

I agree that the ideal professional therapist would use drugs as a tool to help a person get to a better place in life. The end goal would be to help that person beat the “skeletons in their closet” with therapy and finally taper the drug off when it is no longer needed. Sadly, sometimes those break throughs never happen and the person remains on the drug for an extended amount of time but I don’t believe that is the intent of the medical professional. I don’t believe that most doctors intend to make addicts out of us but the trend seems to support this lately.

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02-20-2017, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dickerschwanz

With depression all contexts are “infected”. You are in a bad moord eating ice. Depressed watching a comedy..
Medication can thus give the incentive to get into another position.
In the end changing the context that lead to the depression is one way to get out of the stranglehold. Optimaly all while at least developing one context you have some interest and “fun” in. I’m truly depressed at work sometimes but I have several other contexts where I’m happy and the “work depression” isnt affecting me at all.
Getting out of your head and into the body is one step that will enable one to break the devils cycle. Medication is tricky as it changes nothing but the hormonal makeup. Finding fun in something while on the meds might be easy but might not be replicable when you are off the meds. It can even get worse. In a way that is what happens with drugs. Everything is fun stoned and soon it can’t be fun without beeing stoned lol.
Tapering them off while maintaining focus on good contexts might work.. A professional that knows what to do on several levels is then gold. The pros I came across are simply giving meds and dial them up or down. Keeps one functioning as long as they are tuned right but solves nothing and creates a kind of zombie.

Thanks for sharing brother. I get you 100% about everything being infected. When I was at my worst, I had what’s called anhedonia - I didn’t feel “sad”; I didn’t “feel” anything at all. Almost total emotional flatline. I didn’t WANT to die, I just didn’t care if I was alive to not. I’ve come to realize non-depressed people can’t really understand that, because they literally CAN’T. They can’t make their minds depressed. It was impossible for the healthy people around me to understand how profoundly I didn’t care about myself. Going to a therapist? Group meetings? That’s asking an awful lot of investment from someone who doesn’t care whether they’re alive or not: “Why bother? Who cares?” If I didn’t care if I dropped dead, why would I try to “fix” myself? Besides: “I’m not sick, I actually get it! I see the world as it truly is.” That’s what the sickness looked like in my case. Luckily for me I had a GREAT general practitioner. For me, that same not caring swung the other way too: “Take pills? Fine, whatever. What does it matter.”

I can say after 3 years and counting, medication has never made me happy. If taking meds make you have “fun” I’m truly jealous! I’d kill for a little free fun :)

What medication did for me, was allow “waves” back into my emotional flat-line. Feelings came back (good and bad) and slowly. The medications aren’t about “controlling” my feelings - they don’t do that at all. It would be AMAZING if they made me happy all day! Who needs booze/drugs! Forget the weed, ask your dealer for a little generic Lexipro ;)

All the medication does is allow me to have the highs and lows that keep me connected to life: the connections that keep me caring if I live or not. I had to have that before I got the help I really needed. Those meds saved my life and that general practitioner saved my life. I’ll tell you exactly what he told me because I’ll never forget it: “Crutches are great for people with broken legs.” Crutches do NOT mend broken bones. That’s a fact, but man, they’re hard to beat when the alternative is dragging yourself from room to room.

I really do hope none of my posts have come across as hostile, it’s never been my goal to attack anyone. I just know what it’s like to be in the center of the void, and I know how hard it is to even START getting better. Hell, to know you even CAN get better. That a concept like “better” even really exists..

Anything, and I do mean ANYTHING that gets you to START on the path is the right thing as long as it gets you to start. Don’t turn “better” into the enemy of “good-enough.”