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Originally Posted by ObiWan77
That’s why using HCG can help prevent, or reduce that. That’s why just seeing your primary care physician for a cream or foam isn’t ideal. You’d rather see an endocrinologist, if you’re indeed low, and they can tailor your treatment better.

Yes, exactly. Even the TRT clinics have really been caught while their pants down by this issue. The industry has in recent years tried to emulate similar HCG protocols bodybuilders have been running for decades. Good news is that in some fortunate cases relatively low doses can prevent the atrophy (250-500IU).

Bad news is that the injection frequency has to be short, from eod to twice a week . And in some cases the low dosing wont work either.
In stubborn cases there need to multiple 5000IU shots a week for several weeks within certain adjusted timeline.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by ObiWan77
I don’t think penis size has much to do with testosterone levels…at least after you’ve gone through puberty. I do testosterone cypionate injections weekly, HCG 3x/week, and anastrazole as well. I go through an online clinic out of florida, and only do it through them because I know a thing or two about medicine. Your primary care doc might be able to work with you, but frequently they’ll just give you a cream and not the HCG or anastrozole. Some docs feel those aren’t warranted, but it makes sense to me to use them. I keep my levels between 400-600 after being at 280 when I started. If you are definitely low, going on TRT will help you lose body fat more quickly and convert it to muscle mass…if you’re working out. I started at 6’3” 163 lbs 5 years ago when my wife left me. I was playing tennis doing weights before, but got a little more aggressive with weights after and really pushed my eating. Now I float at 6’3” 195 lbs at age 45. That’s not all due to the testosterone, but it can definitely help gain lean muscle mass with working out.

Studies show otherwise, mature normaly developed males can lose their penile mass and size if they are suffering from different kind of testosteron deprivation or deficiency long enough.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by 2Big4u
Hey guys so i officially measured my dick after going through a shitty past few years, stopped going to gym, stopped having sex and pe. Over the last 3 years my dick went from 7.25” BP which was what i’ve sat at for years and it’s down to 6.5” pressing as hard as possible into my pubic bone.

Never in my sexually active life have i ever been this small. Talk about a kick in the nuts.

I just got a new girlfriend who is wicked attractive so i’m hoping now that i’m walking around with an erection 80% of the day And starting the newbie routine again that i can get close to the 7” mark fairly quickly. I wonder if my dick has muscle memory? Lol.

Has anybody ever lost size and then pe’d it back?

My depression and stress is virtually gone since i left my ex but I know I have low T. Not sure if I need that hormone raging or not to get gains.

But holy crap man this sucks.


I’ll say this:
Check your blood work and see your T and estrogen levels
Go back to PE and healthier life (i myself experienced penis muscle memory)
Anytime i eat beet root my erection is so stiff that i have to pee into the bathtub lol, sounds funny but beets work very well for me
Go back to the gym
All the best

Originally Posted by Turnau
I’ll say this:
Check your blood work and see your T and estrogen levels
Go back to PE and healthier life (i myself experienced penis muscle memory)
Anytime i eat beet root my erection is so stiff that i have to pee into the bathtub lol, sounds funny but beets work very well for me
Go back to the gym
All the best

Which beets and how much? I heard it also aids skin elasticity.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Yes, exactly. Even the TRT clinics have really been caught while their pants down by this issue. The industry has in recent years tried to emulate similar HCG protocols bodybuilders have been running for decades. Good news is that in some fortunate cases relatively low doses can prevent the atrophy (250-500IU).

Bad news is that the injection frequency has to be short, from eod to twice a week . And in some cases the low dosing wont work either.
In stubborn cases there need to multiple 5000IU shots a week for several weeks within certain adjusted timeline.

Yeah, I started with 500IU 2x/week, but now do 3x per week. I do 1 mL testosterone cypionate IM (in my leg) on wednesdays, thursdays and saturdays is my anastrazole capsule, and I do 500IU HCG Mon, Wed, and Friday. I tapered off of it for a few months a couple of years ago, but went back on it (for various reasons). I’m not sure how much it’s really ever helped with ED, or energy, or any of those types of things (I’m a high energy guy to begin with, constantly active with sports and work). However, there was a definite physical change, but that was equally due to increased caloric intake and heavier weights.

Originally Posted by Don Logan
This is true. When I first looked into it, TRT looked liked a slamdunk. Because that’s how the clinics advertise it. I think it’s key to view testicular atrophy not just as a “byproduct” or unfortunate symptom of TRT, but as part-and-parcel with TRT.

Clomid every other day can keep the balls hanging full while on a cycle.

Originally Posted by djrobins

Which beets and how much? I heard it also aids skin elasticity.

Beet root. I try to eat atleast one small beet root (no leaves) cooked every day.

Plus it acts as a blood flow enhancer (pump) to the muscles during working out. Nitrates.

IDK about the skin elasticy but overall this vegetable is very healthy.

Try it :)

Originally Posted by djrobins

Clomid every other day can keep the balls hanging full while on a cycle.

Clomid or HCG? :) I thought it is hcg? Just asking

Originally Posted by djrobins

Clomid every other day can keep the balls hanging full while on a cycle.

How about when not doing TRT? Would Clomid make normal-sized balls super-sized?


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Originally Posted by Don Logan
How about when not doing TRT? Would Clomid make normal-sized balls super-sized?

Probably not for the majority. The testicular atrophy preventing effect while on TRT can be negligible even.

It is not so simple as the estrogen level in decisive role, if the clomifen works as a estrogen agonist or antagonist in hypogonal- testis axis.
While known for ability to keep the spermatogenesis alive while on TRT , the leydig cell activation crucial for intratesticular testosterone level maintenance remains intact. Which would be the key asset for the testicular volume restoration.

Literature does not back the clomifen on testicular volume maintaining effect while on exogenous testosterone.
There has been easy fixes on bro science for everything, but the hormonal balance is delicate and adding this or that by chance is not the way.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Probably not for the majority. The testicular atrophy preventing effect while on TRT can be negligible even.

It is not so simple as the estrogen level in decisive role, if the clomifen works as a estrogen agonist or antagonist in hypogonal- testis axis.
While known for ability to keep the spermatogenesis alive while on TRT , the leydig cell activation crucial for intratesticular testosterone level maintenance remains intact. Which would be the key asset for the testicular volume restoration.

Literature does not back the clomifen on testicular volume maintaining effect while on exogenous testosterone.
There has been easy fixes on bro science for everything, but the hormonal balance is delicate and adding this or that by chance is not the way.

Kyrpa,

Everything we discuss will not necessarily be covered in scientific literature. “Bro sciences” are an observation of things which work or tend to work, without getting overanalytical about “why” it works.

That being said, many men are reporting real world results of clomid while on a mild cycle of testosterone yields full balls versus a loss of testicular mass which is normally observed on a testosterone cycle without clomid.

Another “bro science” we discussed in another thread was a man can get ED and poor flaccids, from being in relationship where his wife does not desire him, or that she acts masculine or dominant or in a relationship which is abusive in other ways. Many of us who have been talking on these matters believe that the noticed increase in “ED” cases in the last 20 years is use to a “power differential” that is shifting AWAY from man, thus his ED tends to be psychological, and not due to physical environent changes.

Another “bro science”. If you are not sexually active while on testosterone your flaciid will also not be as full. However if you are sexually active the flaccid and erection may be enhanced. ( Masterbation does not count nor does it help ). When you come off of testosterone and the body starts producing testosterone naturally the flaccid will hang larger and the balls will become naturally “full” again.


Last edited by djrobins : 11-18-2020 at .

Originally Posted by djrobins
Kyrpa,

Everything we discuss will not necessarily be covered in scientific literature. “Bro sciences” are an observation of things which work or tend to work, without getting overanalytical about “why” it works.

That being said, many men are reporting real world results of clomid while on a mild cycle of testosterone yields full balls versus a loss of testicular mass which is normally observed on a testosterone cycle without clomid.

Of course not DJrobins, never said there is anything wrong about bro science other that it tends to cut short on corners. Very often the modes of action mechanisms are interpereted falsely based on anecdotes.
Even plethora of anecdotes does not make it science. It remains to be bro science. I have been long enough well inside the bro science community before never to visit this place having a courage to say it out. There is no offensive load on labeling bro science, that is what it is.

For clomid use there are plenty of ifs and buts. HCG works in every case like clockwork instead .
If the science approach does not please someone, as a fellow bro scientists I should say that for me Clomid in conjunction of short HCG treatment has been a cure when out of cycles including TRT.
With TRT well inside the natural range continuous use of HCG minimum of 1500IU two times a week keep the nuts okeyish. Happening also in real life.

For the other claims I have no opinion.

Anyways I keep on encouraging the OP finding the natrural health path first, then visiting specialist and having the best option to retain the testosterone level in the case of low testosterone and / or high estrogen levels. Won´t be derailing further.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 11-18-2020 at .

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Of course not DJrobins, never said there is anything wrong about bro science other that it tends to cut short on corners. Very often the modes of action mechanisms are interpereted falsely based on anecdotes.
Even plethora of anecdotes does not make it science. It remains to be bro science. I have been long enough well inside the bro science community before never to visit this place having a courage to say it out. There is no offensive load on labeling bro science, that is what it is.

For clomid use there are plenty of ifs and buts. HCG works in every case like clockwork instead .
If the science approach does not please someone, as a fellow bro scientists I should say that for me Clomid in conjunction of short HCG treatment has been a cure when out of cycles including TRT.
With TRT well inside the natural range continuous use of HCG minimum of 1500IU two times a week keep the nuts okeyish. Happening also in real life.

For the other claims I have no opinion.

Anyways I keep on encouraging the OP finding the natrural health path first, then visiting specialist and having the best option to retain the testosterone level in the case of low testosterone and / or high estrogen levels. Won´t be derailing further.

HCG works well for this job and is the suggested solution, I agree.

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