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Closing down all the generic drug web sites/and finding open sites for generic drugs

I don’t know, ForestJ. I’m completely against ordering random drugs online (logical in my position) but those sites seem a bit… off. Can’t really tell you what’s wrong about them, but they seem a little too slick and too standard to be real. Like a fake iPhone that looks good from 2 metres but looks fake when you notice the details. Furthermore, your profile looks a little bit as if you want to advertise for those sites.

Who’s to know you won’t order pills of calcium powder? Or only half the dose? Double the dose? Dangerous “filler” chemicals? A different drug all together, like WhiteNoise309 said above: a drug that should last hours but lasted days, therefore it has to be a different drug. It's easy to overdose when you don't know what you take.

There’s a reason legal drugs are expensive, and it isn’t the fucking tinfoil hat bullshit about the Industry and the Man who wants to keep us down I hear all the time. Yes, they make a profit, and I think they should. Precise chemical compounds are expensive to make, and cheaper Indian or Chinese alternatives are often way off in dosage.

Be careful, all of you in this thread.


* 7 July 2015 (start): BPEL 17 cm (6.7") / EG 13 cm (5.1")

* 6 december 2015 (latest): BPEL: 18.7 cm (7.4") / EG 13.6 cm (5.4")

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Asking for advice!

Just ordered sildenafil from purchase peptides. Com and was wondering how much per dose I should take? Whitenoise309 has been extremely helpful with the taladafil that I got from purchase peptides which works awesome by the way. Anyways, the bottle says it’s 25mg x 30ml don’t know. If that helps. Thanks bros!

Originally Posted by loxic26
Asking for advice!
Just ordered sildenafil from purchase peptides. Com and was wondering how much per dose I should take? Whitenoise309 has been extremely helpful with the taladafil that I got from purchase peptides which works awesome by the way. Anyways, the bottle says it’s 25mg x 30ml don’t know. If that helps. Thanks bros!

Viagra standard dose is 50mg. Reduce to 25mg or increase to 100mg based on effectiveness. Take 1-4 hours before for best results sex (I’m quoting the link below.)
http://www.drugs.com/dosage/viagra.html (see dosage)
I’ve only taken PP sildenafil once, and I took 50mg (2ml). I would start there taking 2ml. See how that goes and if you want more or less take anything between 1ml (25mg) and 4ml (100mg).
I have no baseline with real Viagra so I don’t know if the PP sildenafil is a little less potent as is the case with tadalafil.
It worked well for me at 50mg. I might try a higher dose next time just to see what it’s like. It’s interesting since I’m used to the effect of the other ED drugs, sildenafil feels different so at this point I’m experimenting between all 4 ED drugs.

Here\’s my quick reference to the different ED drug doses:
Viagra (sildenafil): 25mg, 50mg, 100mg — 30min to 4 hours before)
Levitra (vardenafil): 5mg, 10mg, 20mg — 60 min before.
Stendra (avanafil): 50m, 100mg, 200mg — 15min before (100/200mg), 30min before (50mg).
Cialis (tadalafil): 5mg, 10mg, 20mg — 30 min before (1-2 hours is best.)
*Middle dose is standard dose. Reduce or increase as needed.
*Times are stated as minimums. In most cases additional time is better. Eg: tadalafil is most effective at least 2 hours ahead (max plasma levels are reached after 2 hours.)
*Liquids are labeled for mg per 1ml. So 25mg x 30ml means 25mg per 1ml; there are 30ml per bottle. (So 1ml = 25mg.)

Chart including onset times here and here

Awesome

Whitenoise309 you are the man!! Thanks again and I will update when I get my order.

How do I use the Sildenafil Citrate in liquid form?

Is it safe to ingest it?

Is there a place to order a small sample pack of 4 or something to test before hand. To see how you react to the compound?

WhiteNoise309, you once mentioned that you had received a bad bottle of avanafil from Progen, one that was almost entirely clear. Did you ever actually try it? I ask because after trying mine several times at 100 mg, I haven’t found any obvious primary effect or side eftects, and both bottles I received were like yours. Well not exactly. I thought they were completely clear, but with a very bright backlight, I can see that there is a layer of something at the bottom. It’s not white powder, but some other liquid that apparently doesn’t dissolve in the main carrier liquid, and settles out in time. So definitely not white powder, but something else.

Well I wonder if you had tried the “clear” stuff you got, or if anyone else’s Progen avanafil was like that but still produced good effects.

You know, even if the bottles contained white powder, there’s still no way to tell it’s avanafil. Even if it works, there’s still no way - it could be sildenafil or one of the others.

So I guess we still have no good source for avanafil. I had tried Iron Dragon’s version before, but it did nothing. I don’t know of any other sellers.

I understand the confusion. When I said that one of the bottles was almost completely clear, I meant after shaking/mixing the powder. Progen was using what seems to be using a high proof ethonol water mixture as the carrier liquid for the powdered crystallized avanafil. It’s simple and works for just about any drug even though it’s not ideal. It’s not unlike using vodka to make liquids out of your bulk powder from China which is what I did when I thought I had bought bulk tadalafil.
Avanafil is not (rather is “barely”) soluble in water and alcohol, so the crystals remain and it settled to the bottom. If you want it to dissolve, you have to use an organic ingestable solvent (mild acid.) As a results, you simply shake it up to mix it before drawing a dose. No matter what the carrier and drug is, it’s usually best and necessary to shake liquid meds up unless you have a true suspension liquid (like OTC cough syrup.)

I’ve bought 10 bottles of avanafil from Progen over several months. Usually two at a time while taking advantage of 50% off (or BoGo) with free shipping where they come out at $14 (with shipping.)
Of the 10 bottles…
5 Moreless the same and good. Mostly alcohol. It kind of burns to take it directly. Generally around 2mm of powder (as low as 1mm in some.)
1 Barely any avanafil in it (same mostly alcohol). Maybe .5mm at the bottom or less.
2 Some kind of new carrier that taste/smelled very nasty. After trying it once I regretted it and threw the bottles out. It was truly horrid.
2 Newest bottles have perhaps an improved carrier that is much less (if any) alcohol. The most pleasant to take.

By the way I messaged Progen about those two nasty bottles and they said the lab had changed liquids. They said they’d reformulate and send me new ones and never did (but I’m not broken up over it.) The bottles since then have the best carrier liquid so far.

Of those 5 earlier bottles, if you line them up side by side and compare the settled avanafil crystals at the bottom (against a light,) no two seem to have the same amount of crystals. On average they all have roughly 2mm of drug at the bottom. Some are closer to 1 mm, and one slightly more (than 2mm.) It looks like someone eyeballed the doses and was obviously inconsistent. Likewise when you shake/mix them the liquid turns milky white. The ones with more avanafil are almost opaque, the ones with less are somewhat clearish white. Obviously different concentrations.
The one with barely any avanafil in it appeared almost completely clear. It had less than .5mm of powder. What I eventually did was let it settle again, poured out most of the lliquid, and added what little concentrated avanafil at the bottom to another bottle that was a little light (I combined the drug into one bottle.) It wasn’t enough to make a big difference.

So when I complain of inconsistency, this is what I’m talking about. You can visually see the difference in powder amounts settled in these and it’s obvious that they’re not close to identically dosed and one downright had almost nothing. This translates into a big difference between how many mg you’re taking per ml. Fine, I generally take 2ml and sometimes I take a little extra if it’s a clearer bottle. But I can’t honestly tell you how many mg I’m really getting. Roughly 100mg-ish. I don’t care too much how accurate the dose is because I appear to be getting an effective dose.

At $14 including shipping (when they have the right sale,) the price can’t be beat. And yes, it has always worked (with the exception of 3 out of 10) so I can’t say that think I’ve ever gotten bunk avanafil. I still have about 5 bottles (1 new, 4 older) and intend to still use them until they’re gone. I know some guys have had bad side effects from it and it’s hard to say if that’s them and avanafil, or something about this product or their bottle.
The newest two bottles seem slightly improved over the older ones, so maybe they’ve improved their process a bit. But it still looks like they’re eyeballing dosage even though I got about 2mm +/- of powder in the lastest two (they’re pretty close to identical.) Maybe they’ve even improved measuring, IDK?

So I just don’t can’t progen right now for these reasons. I might still buy more bottles from them because of the great price because after all I do apparently get avanafil that works and maybe to see if they’ve improved, but take it for what it is. They use cheap bottles, cheap labeling, lazy product consistency/quality so far, and all of that makes me wonder how careful they are. Also, how good is their source of bulk avanafil? PuchasePeptides at least claims they test their chems for purity. Does progen? How good are they about making sure they’re selling when they get a new bulk supply shipment? (How good are any of these labs?)

On that note I got avanafil from madisonjamesresearch.com and I’m pretty sure it’s not avanafil (I think it’s tadalafil) which bummed me out. I’m not entirely sure they’re aware that it’s not avanafil.

So my search is on for a good reasonably priced avanafil from a source I can trust. https://www.internationalpeptide.com/product/avanafil/ sells it as well as a few other places (I think blueskypeptides does. I don’t remember.) When my progen stash gets low I might consider one of them. I’d order “Avana” (generic stendra avanafil) from a pill site like safemedpills but they’re really expensive.

Meanwhile I’ll stick with what I have. I’m trying out sildenafil and vardenafil right now as a potential alternative. PurchasePeptides sells it and I’ve grown to trust them them as a good source that’s not real expensive. I’ve given PurchaseP feedback asking them to stock avanafil so we’ll see if they ever get around to it.

If anyone has a good experience going forward with Progen, then please speak up.

Originally Posted by Nevi138
How do I use the Sildenafil Citrate in liquid form?
Is it safe to ingest it?

If it’s a liquid from one of these peptide labs, I generally just drop/squirt it in the back of my mouth and take it directly. It won’t necessarily be pleasant tasting, though. You can mix it with a small amount of a beverage like juice or something.
Is it safe? They have a legal disclaimer that it’s not for human consumption, but that’s really for legal purposes. They can’t sell drugs but they can sell research liquids for non human use. They use liquids that are safe to ingest and are sold with the intention that you’ll take them. They just mix bulk raw drug into the liquid and it’s just done this way because it’s easier than making pills or tablets (not to mention pills and tablets would clearly be for human consumption.)

So the short answer is, just swallow them.
All that being said, these labs are not regulated and there always runs a risk. But I’ve never heard of anyone taking anything harmful and a lot of people apparently buy their products.

WhiteNoise, I finally gave up trying to see through the dark blue bottle, and transferred the contents to a clear bottle. When it settles, I’ll take a picture and maybe you can see if it’s like any of yours. In making the transfer though, I see that I was wrong about there being no white powder. It is white powder, but very little of it.

But you know, if PP’s tadalafil, at 30 mg per ml, reaches a certain settled height in the bottle, then it seems avanafil at 50 mg per ml should be almost double that. I mean, I doubt these two white powders differ that much in their weight, and neither one dissolves to any material extent. Even if avanafil is heavier, the settled height certainly shouldn’t be any less than tadalafil. My PP tadalafil bottles are around 4.5 to 5 mm settled height. So why wouldn’t avanafil be at least that much. Both of my bottles of Progen avanafil have no more than a light coating of powder on the bottom - less than 1 mm.

I really wonder whether any of these places are selling real avanafil. And even if Progen is, it doesn’t look like they give you much for your money.

Ok, here is a picture of Progen Avanafil (50 mg/ml) on the left, and Puchase Tadalafil (30 mg/ml) on the right. Both are new, full bottles, nominally 30 ml, but the Progen stuff has been transferred to a clear 60 ml bottle. Unless part of the Avanafil is dissolved, it looks like there isn’t enough Avanafil to be 50 mg/ml.

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I sent email to Progen attaching my picture and asking about the low amount of settled powder in their avanafil compared to PP’s tadalafil - even though the concentration of avanafil at 50 mg/ml is greater than the tadalafil at 30 mg/ml. Here’s their reply:

> The differnce in molecular mass of the 2 compounds is
> drastically different.

> The compound shows on the bottom is powder that hasn’t
> suspended. Since the concentration is so high it’s
> difficult to suspend the compound fully therefore that
> which shows is unsuspended. The comparison is moot
> considering that at least half is fully suspended in the
> alcohol the other half is what shows and suspends
> temporarily after being shaken. Hopefully this answers your
> question

This makes no sense to me. First, it’s not the molecular weight that matters, it’s the density (weight per unit volume). And while I don’t know the actual densities, I suspect that “white crystaline powders” don’t vary all that much in density.

And the “suspended” explanation only makes sense if he’s talking about dissolved, not suspended, and we know that both compounds are only slightly soluble in ethanol, and insoluble in water.

So I don’t think I’m any closer to being convinced that I received 50 mg/ml avanafil. Anyway, whatever may be true about that, it doesn’t do anything for me at a 2 ml dose, which should be 100 mg.

Still looking for a good source.

Originally Posted by ChuckR
This makes no sense to me. First, it’s not the molecular weight that matters, it’s the density (weight per unit volume). And while I don’t know the actual densities, I suspect that “white crystaline powders” don’t vary all that much in density.

There’s some truth to it: if brand A has a lower molecular weight than brand B with the same drug, then the concentration of brand A can be lower in order to achieve the same effect. When the dosage on the bottle is calculated to a standard solution (the infamous “this drug is equivalent to X ml/mg”) it might still be correct.

Secondly, it might very well be that both bottles contain X mg/ml in the solution, with brand A having more “junk” that binds to the molecule that actually does the work. The junk being the vector needed to get it in the blood stream. Both bottles will contain X ml/mg but one seems to have more in it. Think of it as having a car with one person in it, the person being the tadalafil. One person is sitting in a bigass SUV, the other on in a Beetle. Put many of those on a road and the road seems to be much emptier with the Beetles, while the same amount of persons travel on it.

Still, might be just as likely that they dun goofed and gave you a lower dose.


* 7 July 2015 (start): BPEL 17 cm (6.7") / EG 13 cm (5.1")

* 6 december 2015 (latest): BPEL: 18.7 cm (7.4") / EG 13.6 cm (5.4")

note: I study medicine, will be honest and skeptical, but I never mean to offend :) My picture thread: TCG's pictures, gains and rants.

Originally Posted by TheCerealGuy
There’s some truth to it: if brand A has a lower molecular weight than brand B with the same drug, then the concentration of brand A can be lower in order to achieve the same effect. When the dosage on the bottle is calculated to a standard solution (the infamous “this drug is equivalent to X ml/mg”) it might still be correct.

Differences in molecular weight might affect what the standard dose would be. And in fact the standard dose of avanafil is 100 mg whereas for tadalafil it’s 10 mg. But the seller isn’t selling doses, he’s selling milligrams. For a 30 ml bottle, there should be 1.5 grams of avanafil in the bottle, or 0.9 grams of tadalafil.

Originally Posted by TheCerealGuy
Secondly, it might very well be that both bottles contain X mg/ml in the solution, with brand A having more “junk” that binds to the molecule that actually does the work. The junk being the vector needed to get it in the blood stream. Both bottles will contain X ml/mg but one seems to have more in it. Think of it as having a car with one person in it, the person being the tadalafil. One person is sitting in a bigass SUV, the other on in a Beetle. Put many of those on a road and the road seems to be much emptier with the Beetles, while the same amount of persons travel on it.

Still, might be just as likely that they dun goofed and gave you a lower dose.

There aren’t supposed to be fillers, carriers or junk in either one.

The only explanation that would make sense is if avanafil is considerably more soluble in ethanol than tadalafil. But both are described as being “slightly” soluble in ethanol. So that explanation doesn’t seem likely.

ChuckR,
The way I rationalize the difference is that PP.net’s tadalafil isn’t in ethonol. I don’t l know what liquid they use, but it appears to partially dissolve the powder. I don’t think the settled powder in the bottom is as dense, either (there’s more liquid between particles.) That is the tadalafil is “fluffier” than the avanafil. The avanfil seems very dense, and it’s in ethonol/water which doesn’t seem to dissolve any of it.

I don’t really know. I know is certainly seems weird that something that should have 1.5 grams looks less than the 0.9 grams.

When I bought that bulk tadalafil powder off of alixepress and made my bottle with 0.9 grams and added vodka to it, it looked a lot more like the avanafil bottle where the crystals were densely settled to the bottom. It also looked like it was only about a 1mm layer at the bottom.

So I suspect the carrier liquid/solvent used by PP.net plays a major difference.
Of course the bulk tadalafil I got ended up being fake so there’s that. But it’s all I can think to explain it.

I still use the avanafil form progen. It still works for me. I still get side effects. Of course bottle to bottle I get difference results because the amount varies per bottle.
I guess it’s possible I’m not getting avanafil or I’m getting underdosed (on all of them.) But I’ve tried all of the ED meds and this one affects me differently than the other 3 so I believe it’s avanafil.
I’ve never taken real Stendra so I don’t have that baseline to compare to.

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