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The Angion Method Progress Log

Originally Posted by beavismacon
Definitely starting to get a little worried seeing the arguments going on over in the main thread. Hope these can be cleared up.

Remember my EQ and morning wood troubles? I will say: after taking a single day off from AM my morning would was a good 8/10 this morning with a pretty good duration. Then later in the morning I got kind of horny and stimulated myself to pictures of my ex gf. My EQ was a good 9/10. So it looks like just a short break has made my EQ problems greatly reduced. This may point to taking rest days, at least when you’re first starting, to increase that EQ!

I wouIdn’t worry too much about the heated discussion. Those who aren’t getting resuIts or are adversed to change are bound to try to boIster their position as best they can.

We forget that we are bioIogicaI devices and aren’t aIways running optimaIIy.

Eat, sIeep and go Ike heII. Remember?


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Meh, “spirited debate” is good for the community. So long as no one insults anyone else as a person, it’s all good.

Related to lack of morning wood:

Originally Posted by Janus Bifrons
First, whenever riding your bicycle I assume? Do you sit down on the seat. Bicycle seats in general are very dangerous for males because so much delicate tissues runs through the exposed parts of the groin. I worry about nerve damage and impingement. I have repeatedly come across males that have suffered unusual forms of damage to their sexual organs from regular bicycle riding.

Citation needed. I ride my bicycle every day. Always have, always will. Bad morning wood has always coincided with other factors, and a good few hours on my bike regularly allows for better sleep and corresponding amazing morning erections. Every native person in my country (the Netherlands) rides bicycles on a daily basis. Well, the vast majority anyway. I’ve never heard of any claim like this (in society at large or in med school), so please provide research supporting your statement. This, combined with your YT declaration that “this is the only exercise that could possibly work” (paraphrased) does not count towards your credibility imo, especially since you’re on this website which has hundreds or thousands of cases in which you are inaccurate.
That said, I’ve been trying your method for… 2 weeks now? I skipped a few days because of a powerful soreness in the base of my unit. At first I thought it might be the result of a squeeze I threw in at the end of a session a week ago, but that should have dissolved by now and therefore I don’t think this is the cause. I’ve never had this type of soreness anyway. Still possible that it’s the squeeze because I’m right out of my 3 month decon. Morning wood has been on the decline since I started using the AM. EQ during the exercises increases slowly.
As always I wonder if there is a difference in ease of exercise between circumcised and uncircumcised men. My foreskin keeps rolling towards the base and folding/pinching while I rub the dorsal chord. It causes some soreness and reduces EQ during the exercise.


Feb 2016: 173 mm BPEL (6.81") 132 mm MEG (5.20")

March 11th '17: 190 mm BPEL (7.48") 135 mm MEG (5.32")

Goal: A sustained 7.7" by 5.8" during intercourse

Hey guys, thought I’d add some of my statistics to this experiment.

Starting stats
BPEL 199 millimeters or 7.83 inches
EG 5.75 inches (midshaft) and 5.5 at base.

Started with the AM approximately the third of June so lets say 1 week inn so far.

I was overly excited when I first found out about the AM and as the idiot I am, I did a 3-4 hour long session my first day. But it felt great! EQ improved on the spot and the tingly feeling I got from doing it was highly addictive.
I repeated the same routine for 2 more days where I was faced with my first problem. Grinding off the skin over my dorsal vein. I quickly solved that problem by putting on a condom effectively using it as a skin buffer.
Now I get zero skin fatigue.
EQ and morning wood was exemplary. It felt like I had hit puberty a second time.
On day 4 however I noticed that my flaccid had shrunk a great deal. I’m guessing that I had over done it so I took a 2 day break.
EQ came back strong and I measured 6” EG midshaft for the first time ever. This was not real gains but a great sign either way. Veins are more prominent.
Today however I’m forced to take another break as my flaccid is pretty small and kinda hard. I’m not feeling any pain or anything except for some occasional stingy sensations in my tunica. (at least that is what it feels like)
Is this due to over training or veins collapsing?
There is another strange sensation that I don’t think anyone else has described before. It’s a tingly sensation on the left and right side inside my fat pad. Has anyone else felt that? Maybe they are veins that has been shocked a little but It feels rather good. Like when you get aroused and you know blood will flow to raise the flag.


Previously known as DIYgrower

Sorry, I forgot to add that my diet is pretty much the same as always. Sodium, artificial sweeteners and probably plenty of other unforgivables.

I will try to avoid the easier ones like apples, tea and pepper however “all nightshades” is extremely hard to avoid for me.

I think Janus said that eating tomatoes would make his head spin (Correct me if I’m wrong) My guess is that his body is more sensitive to certain food groups than the average person.

If other people who follow a stricter diet report greater results, I might put in more effort to change my diet.

My blood results are great.


Previously known as DIYgrower

Originally Posted by raybbaby
I have heard this too, still looking for the study or studies where this idea comes from, but Janus isn’t just making this up.
https://www.healthline.com/health/e…ycling-cause-ed
http://www.impotence-guide.com/cycling-impotence.html

Thanks Raybbaby!

I’m not saying it’s not true, but citation is in fact necessary to establish reasonable conclusions. One man’s concerns (even an expert’s!) do not constitute reality.
I checked those 2 links, and the article resources of the first article (listed on the bottom of said article). The second link does not include sources and also draws the conclusion to go out and cycle because it’s good for you. Also mentions the Chinese, who cycle avidly and seem to experience no issues.
The most important source resources were the study from Norway (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9150814 , 260 amateur cyclists without further description). They cycled for a very long time and had issues with wrists and genital numbness. The second source is a study among bike cops (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18466268 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12399541 ,we can assume those to be fit at least) which cycle for 24 hours in a week. Noseless saddles solved the problem for 14 out of the studied 17.
The other mentioned (meta) study from 2014 (https://www.goldjournal.net/article/S0090-4295(14)01413-7/fulltext) concludes that no conclusion either way can be drawn linking cycling to ED issues or not.
Verdict? Clearly overburdening the perineum is in fact a bad idea. Casual cycling doesn’t appear to have statistical impact however (the meta study). So if you cycle a lot, and you experience issues, then try switching up the saddle. Honestly though, I sit in two very ergonomic desk chairs both at work and at home, and I still have numbness and sitting pain issues. At least I did until I exercised specifically for it. Everything needs to be done in moderation for various reasons, and so far I haven’t seen reason to declare the bicycle an enemy of the penis. Just don’t overdo it.


Feb 2016: 173 mm BPEL (6.81") 132 mm MEG (5.20")

March 11th '17: 190 mm BPEL (7.48") 135 mm MEG (5.32")

Goal: A sustained 7.7" by 5.8" during intercourse

I knew I had heard it before, and I think you can likely find more recent studies that state cycling is perfectly safe. I don’t bike much, but since I first heard this a decade, possibly two decades ago, I know I no longer sit on my seat when I bike. It’s likely pretty silly, as infrequently as I ride, and as short as the distances I bike are. Better safe than sorry though.

Over the weekend, I picked up Hemp Seed Protein/Fiber powder. I snagged a deal when I saw that silicone lube at the supermarket was a close-out so I got it for $5. I also bought more plants to eat and pea plant milk. Last week, I bought plenty of packaged meals (the sodium content is crazy in packaged foods) since they were on sale from the supermarket.

I still take ACV once in a while mixed with purified water.


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I caught the initial thread on page 1 and have been haphazardly performing AM since. I have had ED for the last 5-10 years. I feel like ED is a sliding scale from 10/10 hardness to no response and turtle hang. I have always been able to achieve a 7/10 which might be referred to as a plump chub? Satisfactory for a hand/blowjob but not capable of moving around during sex and maintaining until orgasm. It would be nice if there was a standard scale (1 to 10) to describe erections for consistency.

About 6-8 mo ago I found this site and started pumping after reading a “Pumping for ED” thread. I had been doing 20-30min pump sets 5-6 days a week prior to AM. Between that and frequent manual stretching I gained about 3/4” length and 1/2” girth (7.75x6). The EQ went up while on Viagra and the extra length was nice. The extra girth was actually unwelcome in the bedroom. I would sum up pre AM PE as an improvement in EQ and size, but I was still reading about Trimix and discussing the treatment with my doc. I use Viagra to hit 8.5 to 9 out of 10, but that is not super simple as I need to have a completely empty stomach and keep adequate stimulation to stay 8.5 to 9. I also get a headache, ugh.

My progress is significant with AM. After week 1, I’ve had a daily erection that I can kegel up to 8-8.5 while I perform the exercise. I would guess this is 15-20% erection improvement. I can receive a blowjob and maintain that 8.5 to completion. I still cannot switch position and move from that blowjob to sex without losing the erection. This is still a significant improvement for me. I try to perform AM at least daily for as long as I can before EQ makes occlusion unlikely. On a completely empty stomach, I have been able to have sex with the wife 8.5 to 9 on a 20-40mg dose vs 80-100mg prior. If I take the 80-100mg dose now I am hitting a 9.5 to 10 erection. Can’t wait for Cialis to go generic in few months and not have to watch the empty stomach so closely.

One thing that I have been doing that may be unique to my situation is what I think of as super setting. If I know I will have the house to myself for a time, I will take a 20-40 dose and do AM for about an hour. I notice a vein next to my dorsal becomes more pronounced and I have no issues maintaining 8-10 EQ throughout. This is the only time I use Viagra for AM. Every following morning the erection is about a 9 to 9.5. I assume that is from the previous AM and bit of residual left in my system.

I have noticed that my girth is down about .25”. I am guessing this was some fluid retention with the daily pumping routine. I seem to be maintaining about .25” girth gain from my start. I am hoping that a year of AM will really close the door on ED for me. If not, the improvements to date would have been worth the effort and any continuing efforts going forward. Although, I am fairly certain there will be more EQ gains to follow, don’t mind heading back down to a 5.5” girth, but would like to move past the 8” length. My flaccid stretch is 8.375” so I am hoping to see 8” BPEL someday.

Very happy AMer!

Originally Posted by avalon0531
I caught the initial thread on page 1 and have been haphazardly performing AM since. I have had ED for the last 5-10 years. I feel like ED is a sliding scale from 10/10 hardness to no response and turtle hang. I have always been able to achieve a 7/10 which might be referred to as a plump chub? Satisfactory for a hand/blowjob but not capable of moving around during sex and maintaining until orgasm. It would be nice if there was a standard scale (1 to 10) to describe erections for consistency.

About 6-8 mo ago I found this site and started pumping after reading a “Pumping for ED” thread. I had been doing 20-30min pump sets 5-6 days a week prior to AM. Between that and frequent manual stretching I gained about 3/4” length and 1/2” girth (7.75x6). The EQ went up while on Viagra and the extra length was nice. The extra girth was actually unwelcome in the bedroom. I would sum up pre AM PE as an improvement in EQ and size, but I was still reading about Trimix and discussing the treatment with my doc. I use Viagra to hit 8.5 to 9 out of 10, but that is not super simple as I need to have a completely empty stomach and keep adequate stimulation to stay 8.5 to 9. I also get a headache, ugh.

My progress is significant with AM. After week 1, I’ve had a daily erection that I can kegel up to 8-8.5 while I perform the exercise. I would guess this is 15-20% erection improvement. I can receive a blowjob and maintain that 8.5 to completion. I still cannot switch position and move from that blowjob to sex without losing the erection. This is still a significant improvement for me. I try to perform AM at least daily for as long as I can before EQ makes occlusion unlikely. On a completely empty stomach, I have been able to have sex with the wife 8.5 to 9 on a 20-40mg dose vs 80-100mg prior. If I take the 80-100mg dose now I am hitting a 9.5 to 10 erection. Can’t wait for Cialis to go generic in few months and not have to watch the empty stomach so closely.

One thing that I have been doing that may be unique to my situation is what I think of as super setting. If I know I will have the house to myself for a time, I will take a 20-40 dose and do AM for about an hour. I notice a vein next to my dorsal becomes more pronounced and I have no issues maintaining 8-10 EQ throughout. This is the only time I use Viagra for AM. Every following morning the erection is about a 9 to 9.5. I assume that is from the previous AM and bit of residual left in my system.

I have noticed that my girth is down about .25”. I am guessing this was some fluid retention with the daily pumping routine. I seem to be maintaining about .25” girth gain from my start. I am hoping that a year of AM will really close the door on ED for me. If not, the improvements to date would have been worth the effort and any continuing efforts going forward. Although, I am fairly certain there will be more EQ gains to follow, don’t mind heading back down to a 5.5” girth, but would like to move past the 8” length. My flaccid stretch is 8.375” so I am hoping to see 8” BPEL someday.

Very happy AMer!

Good news!

I have impoved my erection quaIity substantiaIIy doing the AM for three weeks and I’ve sen 1/8 inch Iength increase, so I’m happy.


Began December 2009 at 5 7/8" length and 5" girth.

As of December 5th 2012 7 3/8" BPEL and 6 1/8" base girth.

Going for the magic 8"x6"

Originally Posted by avalon0531
I am hoping that a year of AM will really close the door on ED for me. If not, the improvements to date would have been worth the effort and any continuing efforts going forward. Although,

Very happy AMer!


Overdoing the AM can actually result in EQ loss. Some of us will vouch for that. 30 mins daily seems to be conducive for a favorable outcome.

I’ve been doing this for the past two weeks and I already observe an increase of 1/6 of an inch in length. Is it because of better EQ or a real gain will become clearer with time. But like traditional PE , PI check is important.

Originally Posted by Harusen
Exceptional post.. Look forward to your progression. :)

Thank you!

I’m checking back in sooner than I had expected as I seem to have undergone a growth spurt, a dramatic improvement in EQ, or both. About halfway through the first of probably two Angion Method sessions today, my erection was the firmest I can remember it being since my late teens, which may be when my hypertension began. My bone-pressed measurement was shockingly close to 6.5” — I’ll round down and call it 6⅜”, at least a quarter inch longer than I measured last week — and it was still at that new personal maximum when I finished the session some 10 to 15 minutes later.

Aside from recording a new personal best in length, I observed a veinier appearance than ever during the exercise, particularly on that half of the shaft closer to the glans.

I’m performing shorter sessions than before, roughly 20 minutes instead of 30. I’ve also been using less pressure. As a result, the exercise is more pleasant and I’m not having to reapply lubricant.

I’ve also included an 8” ruler on my most recent online store order, so I should soon be able to take progress photos with proof of length. Currently, I use a somewhat unwieldy tape measure that makes photography difficult.


Last edited by restor8ion : 06-12-2018 at . Reason: Addendum

Haven’t performed a session in 4 (?) days because of benzodiazepine withdrawal, but EQ has improved and LOT has changed from 2:15 to 2:00. Every morning I’m greeted by a thirsty husband and an erection that keeps trying to escape its skin. I’ve had many sexual partners and I am having the best and most sex of my life. As a result my husband and I are seeing improvements in other areas of our marriage.

I’ve noticed I have to shave/trim my pubic hair more frequently to prevent 80s porn bush.

I’ve graduated to the next largest size cock rings for both the shaft base and just below the glans and stretching my scrotum. The ones I used to wear comfortably pre-AM became so tight my cock would get cold shortly after I put them on. This morning the cock rings felt slightly tighter, so I may have to graduate them again soon.

The most exciting change is that, as I reach the PONR, my erections continue to intensify in terms of rigidity, pleasure, and duration. I have learned how to relax my balls so they hang low and to stop performing kegels. I can control when I ejaculate even though I am 1 micron away from the PONR. My pre-AM EQ 10 is like an AM EQ 6 and even Week 1 AM EQ 10 is like current EQ 8.

Resisting the urge to measure until Day 45, but good things are happening.

So yesterday and the day before, after starting with the AM, I noticed significant loss in EQ. I also experienced a soreness in the base of my unit, and last night I noticed the source was a fairly hard lump at the base of the dorsal chord. It caused soreness when pressed or squeezed. I decided to continue with the AM but at a much lower intensity, 1 round on Sunday and 2 rounds of PR yesterday. I also went to the gym yesterday with a renewed focus on cardio which I’ve been neglecting recently. This morning I had killer MW, both high EQ and long lasting. I measured to match my largest size so far, despite my MW normally being smaller than other erections.

I think the inventor of the AM should mention the pressure to be applied when using this method; I’ve seen a few others mention starting to intense, too.

So after focusing more on cardio (went cycling on Sunday) and decreasing the intensity of the AM sessions, I improved my erections significantly. Time will tell which is the greater cause, but good PIs speak for themselves. Who knows, I might actually gain this time!


Feb 2016: 173 mm BPEL (6.81") 132 mm MEG (5.20")

March 11th '17: 190 mm BPEL (7.48") 135 mm MEG (5.32")

Goal: A sustained 7.7" by 5.8" during intercourse

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