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I think what needs to be considered here is the after affect of masturbation on gains. I’m not saying that masturbation causes gain loses but it needs to be followed with some form of perpetual stretching to retain the gains made during your normal exercises. The retraction affect of masturbation will only add to the regression of the tissue healing if not kept in a stretched state for a significant period of time afterwards.

This is the basic concept behind an ADS daily regardless of masturbation or not.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Originally Posted by Monty:
I think what needs to be considered here is the after affect of masturbation on gains. I’m not saying that masturbation causes gain loses but it needs to be followed with some form of perpetual stretching to retain the gains made during your normal exercises. The retraction affect of masturbation will only add to the regression of the tissue healing if not kept in a stretched state for a significant period of time afterwards.

This is the basic concept behind an ADS daily regardless of masturbation or not.

I would agree and even more so when working for girth.
The trick seems to be a routine that’s intense enough to cause expansion to stimulate gains but not cause temporary shrinkage or reduce EQ enough to affect subsequent sessions, quite a balancing act !

I’ve been reading through this thread with high concerns. I really hope you get a breakthrough Capernicus1 and get some satisfactory gains. I’ve been doing the newbie routine close to 6 weeks now and not yet seen any gains but I am told I still have time for this to happen. But I do wonder if this all works at all, and hope I get gains.

I just wonder why some posters in here are not getting gains whilst others in Thunder’s Place are? What could it be that is stopping you guys from getting gains, is it something you’ve done wrong or something simply in your physiology? As I hope I can be aware of what to do or not do so I can learn to be careful and get gains, and others including yourselves can find good fortune to do the same.

Originally Posted by capernicus1
I would agree and even more so when working for girth.
The trick seems to be a routine that’s intense enough to cause expansion to stimulate gains but not cause temporary shrinkage or reduce EQ enough to affect subsequent sessions, quite a balancing act !

OR slow steady stress that SLOWLY stretches the tissue WITHOUT causing shrinkage.

Based on reviewing the Bathmate information and results of reports, I have been experimenting with water pumping 5 days a week, weekends off. When I started my LUV (length under vacuum) was about an inch less than my bpel. I have been slowly making progress over the last few months and now LUV is starting to break bpel. The question is if it will continue.

What I found has helped when it slowed down was;

1) a “perfect” cockring worn for about 6 hours post pumping.
2) One of Monty’s PE wts worn about 1-2 hours PRE pumping.

So, a perfect cockring is tight enough to cause a more full flaccid than without it, but loose enough not to cause more than a little “darkening” due to decreased circulation…AND COMFORTABLE.
Using one PE wt seems to be JUST ENOUGH to prestretch before pumping, but not so much as to cause rebound shrinkage. The pre pumping stretch is very gentle (Monty, one is what…8 oz?) but that is what is best for me in that I rebound very easily with too much stress.

For those who aren’t familiar with me, I have one of those very sensitive dicks where its toooooo easy to over do it and get zero gains. For example 3-4 in hg of vacuum for me is allowing gains…if I go to 5 it crashes my EQ and get progressively large red dots ending a forced layoff.

So currently 20-30 minutes is just right, enough to be seeing gains up onto this point. Like I said, the real test willl be if I can continue to pass bpel and then change it.

For me, because I have such a narrow window of stress/rest=gains ratio, anything more than a few minutes of edging will have negative effects. As I have said before, whether jerking off helps or hurts PE is a totally individual affair, and you have to judge the results for you. Some can, some can’t.

What I am beginning to experiment with (again) is post pumping PE wts. In the past it has been counter productive, but this time I will start with a short time frame and go from there. Theoretically it should be productive, but I’ve been wrong PLENTY of times on my theories!

Originally Posted by Jay Flash
I’ve been reading through this thread with high concerns. I really hope you get a breakthrough Capernicus1 and get some satisfactory gains. I’ve been doing the newbie routine close to 6 weeks now and not yet seen any gains but I am told I still have time for this to happen. But I do wonder if this all works at all, and hope I get gains.

I just wonder why some posters in here are not getting gains whilst others in Thunder’s Place are? What could it be that is stopping you guys from getting gains, is it something you’ve done wrong or something simply in your physiology? As I hope I can be aware of what to do or not do so I can learn to be careful and get gains, and others including yourselves can find good fortune to do the same.

In the end I figured the issues I had were less physical and more mental, simply too obsessed and doing too much and ignoring what my body was telling me. I think that’s quite common in non gainers.

Been on a decon since the start of the year but ready to have another try now, just looking at different options.

Originally Posted by capernicus1
In the end I figured the issues I had were less physical and more mental, simply too obsessed and doing too much and ignoring what my body was telling me.

What was you doing that you regard as “doing too much”? What was your body telling you? Were you overdoing things?

I really hope your new attempt works out for you, you’ve been doing this so long now it has to pay off.

Originally Posted by Jay Flash
What was you doing that you regard as “doing too much”? What was your body telling you? Were you overdoing things?

Mostly not reading Pis very well and not taking enough rest when needed.

Ok thanks FG

I do this jelq still half year ,sometime feel penis fatigue cause can t erect or in the morning so how do you think this phenomenon? It is okay in the jelq training?

Any question and member is welcome.

Originally Posted by capernicus1
In the end I figured the issues I had were less physical and more mental, simply too obsessed and doing too much and ignoring what my body was telling me. I think that’s quite common in non gainers.

Been on a decon since the start of the year but ready to have another try now, just looking at different options.

Would you make a log, Cap? I’d be interested on reading your progress after 4 years of none.

Good luck :)


I did 1 jelq, why am I not 12" yet.

On hiatus

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Mostly not reading Pis very well.

Sorry I’m stupid, but what is ‘Pis’?

Originally Posted by sparkyx
OR slow steady stress that SLOWLY stretches the tissue WITHOUT causing shrinkage.

Based on reviewing the Bathmate information and results of reports, I have been experimenting with water pumping 5 days a week, weekends off. When I started my LUV (length under vacuum) was about an inch less than my bpel. I have been slowly making progress over the last few months and now LUV is starting to break bpel. The question is if it will continue.

What I found has helped when it slowed down was;

1) a “perfect” cockring worn for about 6 hours post pumping.
2) One of Monty’s PE wts worn about 1-2 hours PRE pumping.

So, a perfect cockring is tight enough to cause a more full flaccid than without it, but loose enough not to cause more than a little “darkening” due to decreased circulation…AND COMFORTABLE.
Using one PE wt seems to be JUST ENOUGH to prestretch before pumping, but not so much as to cause rebound shrinkage. The pre pumping stretch is very gentle (Monty, one is what…8 oz?) but that is what is best for me in that I rebound very easily with too much stress.

For those who aren’t familiar with me, I have one of those very sensitive dicks where its toooooo easy to over do it and get zero gains. For example 3-4 in hg of vacuum for me is allowing gains…if I go to 5 it crashes my EQ and get progressively large red dots ending a forced layoff.

So currently 20-30 minutes is just right, enough to be seeing gains up onto this point. Like I said, the real test willl be if I can continue to pass bpel and then change it.

For me, because I have such a narrow window of stress/rest=gains ratio, anything more than a few minutes of edging will have negative effects. As I have said before, whether jerking off helps or hurts PE is a totally individual affair, and you have to judge the results for you. Some can, some can’t.

What I am beginning to experiment with (again) is post pumping PE wts. In the past it has been counter productive, but this time I will start with a short time frame and go from there. Theoretically it should be productive, but I’ve been wrong PLENTY of times on my theories!

Are you still having to take short breaks or are you doing 20-30mins straight ?
I’ve done some testing over the last few weeks and it seems I can now do 30-40 mins with no breaks and zero red spots which is a big deal for me.
I guess the long rest did some good.

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Are you still having to take short breaks or are you doing 20-30mins straight ?
I’ve done some testing over the last few weeks and it seems I can now do 30-40 mins with no breaks and zero red spots which is a big deal for me.
I guess the long rest did some good.

I do take about 1 min break every 10 minutes…its seems to help reduce red spots and edema.

I will tell you this, when I took about 3-4 months off, and came back with the cycling high to low vacuum levels, I was able to take higher vacuum levels. HOWEVER, if you start to push the vacuum levels and damage capillaries again, you will find that they will progressively rupture at lower and lower vacuum levels…taking right back to where you were.

It appears that if you go long enough to let them heal completely, you will do better. The trick (IMO) is to really avoid damaging them, and over time I believe you may even be able to use high vacuum levels as they condition. IF you start repeatedly damaging them without allowing complete healing, you go the other way. At least that is my experience.

When I take 2-3 days off, I red spot more easily…but if I don’t over do it, by the end of my 5 days, they are getting tougher again.

Small but significant update !
After taking about 8 months of to decon I started playing around with a routine again.
Initially it was to test how different things affected my EQ after the break which was useful and after that I settled on trying only things I enjoy.

So, for the last 4-5 months I’ve been jelqing, pumping and more recently stretching/adsing with monkeybars new vachanger 3 ( amazing bit of kit )

I seem to be gaining girth slowly from the base up.
My BG is up by just over 1/2” and it now reaches about 2” up the shaft, it’s all in the CCs as well and is really visible viewed from above.
No MS gain yet but it looks like it’ll get there.
I’m fairly sure this is due to pumping and packing the tube, the area I pack is where I’ve gained and as the packing has crept up the tube so have the gains.
Length is also up just over 1/4”, maybe down to the stretching.

May seem like small gains after 5 years but I don’t care, it’s something !
Will be pressing on to see where this goes.

IMO: If you guys are not seeing consistent gains over significant time periods, like 2 to 3 months then you leaving something out of your routines that solidify what gains you might be making.

What I see is missing from your routine descriptions seems to be utilizing an ADS to contribute to consistent gain progress. The usage of an ADS between significant workouts will cause not only a lack of gain progress but can actually cause a regression of gains back to the bodies original genealogical makeup and along with that would be toughening of the tissues. Hence you could actually see things return to their original length. Sad, but it happens during the last of the 4 phases of the bodies healing process.

What needs to happen is an avoidance of time that allows those healing phases to complete with enough stress to prevent healing regression, hence an ADS should be used between heavy hanging or whatever exercises gains are accomplished with.

It isn’t necessary to wear high stress or weight levels but enough to keep things disturbed so regression doesn’t happen. That level is usually around the 2 to 3 pound mark. So IOW wear something 24/7 except for sleep periods. 8 or even 10 hours of sleep isn’t enough for solidification to take place before the next set of an ADS begins or heavy exercises. When I was in the grove I was wearing my rings upwards of 15 hours a day with my heavy hanging sessions taking place in the afternoons after work and before the wife and kids came home. That led to 2” of growth over a 14 month period. I know of others who have gained that same amount in much less time but they devoted their lives to hanging during the day, must have been all day. :)

At any rate the usage of an ADS would very likely result in gains progression over long periods of time without toughening or any regression.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

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