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Sojelq Shrugged

SO stretching/hanging is still going well. EQ is also good.

Added 5-10 minutes of jelqing every other night as well. Seems to provide some rehabilitation and relief


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

For my files….Thanks to wadzilla for this anecdote of PE success (~ 4 inches length gain):

“Well, here is the culmination of my discussions with the big gainer….

He is not currently active with PE, as he had gone many months with zero gains, then decided he had enough. He described his size as “9-9¼ inches long.” When I asked him about girth, he said, “near the end, I’m 6½ around.” I thought that was quite impressive and asked what his base girth was; but, to my surprise, he said “six.” So, he obviously developed a major baseball bat effect from his jelq-heavy approach. I told him that my girth measurements were his – only inverted.

His Approach
Each morning when he awoke, he would undress then go into the bathroom. He would then sit on the edge of the bathtub, with his feet in the tub, and proceed to do “several minutes” of hot wraps. As he sat near the faucet, he would reheat the rag as necessary.

Then he would apply lube (usually Vaseline), and proceed to his wet jelqs.
Afterwards, he would clean off then apply another “several minutes” of hot wraps before continuing with his workout [he explained that as his workout times began to sprawl, he eventually dropped this second hot wrap session, and only hot-wrapped at the beginning of each workout].

He would thoroughly dry off, then apply talcum powder and do his stretching. When I asked why he stretched after his “milking” (as he referred to jelqs), he said that when he tried to stretch before doing the jelqs, his unit became fatigued and he could not maintain proper inflation for jelqing for any extended period of time – so he jelqed first. He also explained that the combination of the hot wraps & jelqing really warmed up the tissues prior to stretching them.

After he finished stretching, he would remain seated on the edge of the tub and proceed to kegels. After he’d reach a certain count, he would hop into the shower and start his day.

He did this 7 days per week – without fail.
When his morning session eventually became too long (over an hour), he split his times in half – doing an AM & PM session each day: 14 per week. By the time those sessions sprawled to about 1 ¼ hours each, he was 9¼ x 6½.

His Workout
Wet jelqs….slow (he started at about 3 seconds per stroke, but as he gained length, the stroke times climbed to about 5 seconds each)….very moderate intensity (he stated several times that he never incurred even a minor injury doing this stuff). He alternated hands rhythmically, smoothly, never squeezed too hard.

Started at only about 50 jelqs per session. When his counts had (gradually) climbed up over 300 or 400, he found counting the reps too tedious. By then, he had an accurate idea about the rep-time relationship, so he started to simply time the jelq sessions.
He never jelqed erect, but tried to keep his inflation at about ¾ woody.

Stretching….never pulled very vigorously….held each stretch rather long (usually 3 minutes or more)….started with about 5 minutes worth of stretching….later added rotary stretches after his standard stretches…usually pulled straight out and also straight up….never did downward stretching.

Kegels….did a large kegel workout at the end of each session – usually quick squeezes & releases….but also kegeled throughout the day.

Progression
He was very methodical about progression. Every 3 weeks or so, he would increase both his jelq time & his stretch time by about 2-3 minutes each.

Gains
When he first began, he gained 2” EL in less than a year (from 5” to 7”). He quit for a while (not sure, but it was between 1-2 years). When he resumed, after his divorce, he was still “about 7 inches,” but he “quickly got to eight.”
He continued plodding along, nonstop, even doing up to two 1¼ hour sessions daily, until he was 9-9 ¼ x 6 ½. He continued to PE for months, but was no longer gaining. He quit several months ago.

Lifestyle
Very active & health-conscious….in good shape….jogs & plays racquet ball.

Diet
No caffeine, no nicotine, no salt, no saturated fats or refined sugars. Very little alcohol. He also takes a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement daily, additional C (as an antioxidant), and he takes “a lot of ginseng.” Also drinks mineral water.

Overall impressions
His approach is very basic, no secret exercises or special formulas. In fact, he seems to know little about PE. He never pumped, hung weights, wore an ADS, a cock ring or a clamp. He never did erect work, never mentioned any type of dual-fulcrum stretching or bundled stretches, or deconditioning breaks, etc.

Hot wraps, wet jelqs, stretching, kegels – 7 days per week. And a slowly rising crescendo of volume – leading up to 2 daily sessions of 1+ hours each. Possibly augmented by plenty of cardio and a very strict diet. I figure that he’s probably done about 1 million jelqs and probably more than 1,000 hours of stretching time under load.

I think the key for him was cumulative fatigue – over a long period of time – but without any “trauma.” He gradually coaxed his gains, via a large amount of impaction, and his lifestyle & diet allowed those expanding tissues to keep healing & growing.

I think its a mistake when guys chase that “soreness” or fret about not feeling “fatigued” after a workout - whatever that means. I think the “fatigue” that really matters is that which is accumulated over many weeks & months, providing that the tissues are fully healing between sessions. I also suspect that his 2 daily sessions (which he started doing near the end) may have been too much, hence no more gains. Once his AM session exceeded 75 minutes, he should’ve (in my opinion) taken a few months off, then came back at only 20 minutes. I’ll bet the gains would’ve jumpstarted.

Anyway, that’s all there is.”


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

I’ve been following. 6 on, 1 off. Seems fine. No PI issues.

2-3 sets bungee SO stretches, 20 minutes each. Two sets of jelqs, 5-8 minutes each (1 in the morning, 1 evening)

Will measure next month. Length seems the same (6.5 NBPEL) but width seems to have grown. We’ll see


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Originally Posted by Sojelq
For my files….Thanks to wadzilla for this anecdote of PE success (~ 4 inches length gain):

“Well, here is the culmination of my discussions with the big gainer….

He is not currently active with PE, as he had gone many months with zero gains, then decided he had enough. He described his size as “9-9¼ inches long.” When I asked him about girth, he said, “near the end, I’m 6½ around.” I thought that was quite impressive and asked what his base girth was; but, to my surprise, he said “six.” So, he obviously developed a major baseball bat effect from his jelq-heavy approach. I told him that my girth measurements were his – only inverted.

His Approach
Each morning when he awoke, he would undress then go into the bathroom. He would then sit on the edge of the bathtub, with his feet in the tub, and proceed to do “several minutes” of hot wraps. As he sat near the faucet, he would reheat the rag as necessary.

Then he would apply lube (usually Vaseline), and proceed to his wet jelqs.
Afterwards, he would clean off then apply another “several minutes” of hot wraps before continuing with his workout [he explained that as his workout times began to sprawl, he eventually dropped this second hot wrap session, and only hot-wrapped at the beginning of each workout].

He would thoroughly dry off, then apply talcum powder and do his stretching. When I asked why he stretched after his “milking” (as he referred to jelqs), he said that when he tried to stretch before doing the jelqs, his unit became fatigued and he could not maintain proper inflation for jelqing for any extended period of time – so he jelqed first. He also explained that the combination of the hot wraps & jelqing really warmed up the tissues prior to stretching them.

After he finished stretching, he would remain seated on the edge of the tub and proceed to kegels. After he’d reach a certain count, he would hop into the shower and start his day.

He did this 7 days per week – without fail.
When his morning session eventually became too long (over an hour), he split his times in half – doing an AM & PM session each day: 14 per week. By the time those sessions sprawled to about 1 ¼ hours each, he was 9¼ x 6½.

His Workout
Wet jelqs….slow (he started at about 3 seconds per stroke, but as he gained length, the stroke times climbed to about 5 seconds each)….very moderate intensity (he stated several times that he never incurred even a minor injury doing this stuff). He alternated hands rhythmically, smoothly, never squeezed too hard.

Started at only about 50 jelqs per session. When his counts had (gradually) climbed up over 300 or 400, he found counting the reps too tedious. By then, he had an accurate idea about the rep-time relationship, so he started to simply time the jelq sessions.
He never jelqed erect, but tried to keep his inflation at about ¾ woody.

Stretching….never pulled very vigorously….held each stretch rather long (usually 3 minutes or more)….started with about 5 minutes worth of stretching….later added rotary stretches after his standard stretches…usually pulled straight out and also straight up….never did downward stretching.

Kegels….did a large kegel workout at the end of each session – usually quick squeezes & releases….but also kegeled throughout the day.

Progression
He was very methodical about progression. Every 3 weeks or so, he would increase both his jelq time & his stretch time by about 2-3 minutes each.

Gains
When he first began, he gained 2” EL in less than a year (from 5” to 7”). He quit for a while (not sure, but it was between 1-2 years). When he resumed, after his divorce, he was still “about 7 inches,” but he “quickly got to eight.”
He continued plodding along, nonstop, even doing up to two 1¼ hour sessions daily, until he was 9-9 ¼ x 6 ½. He continued to PE for months, but was no longer gaining. He quit several months ago.

Lifestyle
Very active & health-conscious….in good shape….jogs & plays racquet ball.

Diet
No caffeine, no nicotine, no salt, no saturated fats or refined sugars. Very little alcohol. He also takes a multi-vitamin/mineral supplement daily, additional C (as an antioxidant), and he takes “a lot of ginseng.” Also drinks mineral water.

Overall impressions
His approach is very basic, no secret exercises or special formulas. In fact, he seems to know little about PE. He never pumped, hung weights, wore an ADS, a cock ring or a clamp. He never did erect work, never mentioned any type of dual-fulcrum stretching or bundled stretches, or deconditioning breaks, etc.

Hot wraps, wet jelqs, stretching, kegels – 7 days per week. And a slowly rising crescendo of volume – leading up to 2 daily sessions of 1+ hours each. Possibly augmented by plenty of cardio and a very strict diet. I figure that he’s probably done about 1 million jelqs and probably more than 1,000 hours of stretching time under load.

I think the key for him was cumulative fatigue – over a long period of time – but without any “trauma.” He gradually coaxed his gains, via a large amount of impaction, and his lifestyle & diet allowed those expanding tissues to keep healing & growing.

I think its a mistake when guys chase that “soreness” or fret about not feeling “fatigued” after a workout - whatever that means. I think the “fatigue” that really matters is that which is accumulated over many weeks & months, providing that the tissues are fully healing between sessions. I also suspect that his 2 daily sessions (which he started doing near the end) may have been too much, hence no more gains. Once his AM session exceeded 75 minutes, he should’ve (in my opinion) taken a few months off, then came back at only 20 minutes. I’ll bet the gains would’ve jumpstarted.

Anyway, that’s all there is.”

I will be linking this when people ask me how much you can gain with your hands alone. Your interview has enlightened me as well.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 It's a long story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm 7 years in and counting. Put the work in then the gains will come. All you have to do is keep the faith.

All’s well on the PE front.

Reduced bungee stretching to 3X per week. Usually 2 sets, 20 minutes each with heated ThermiPaq.

Jelqing 5X per week (two sessions each day, morning/night), 5-10 minutes per jelq session

Ease of erection is very good. Responding well to girlfriend.

Will measure again …..at some point. Dick looks good, but don’t see any reason to measure and record every increment.


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Took 1 week of rest while traveling and otherwise busy. Good sex while visiting some end-of-summer romantic spots.

Started back today with 5 minutes Jelqing


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

During the last month, I’ve maintained 2 on, 1 off. EQ has ranged from “good” to “excellent”. Feels like some growth since last measurement — maybe more in girth (not sure). I’ll measure next time I get a really good erection (and I’m alone). Length and girth definitely vary by 1/4 - 1/2 inch depending on erection. Consistency between “good”, “very good”, and “excellent” is just not there.


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

For the past week, I’ve gotten several sustained, will-not-quit, hard as granite erections. No pharmaceutical aids. Just a sexy girl and me.

PE has rejuvenated my dick. It’s grown, yes, but more important, it makes using it so much more fun. And that on its own has made the effort so worthwhile


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Bungee stretches (20 minutes) followed by jelqs. Really felt a deep stretch during jelqs today. Started very close to the pubic bone, encircled my dick as best as I could, and stretch/jelqed to the end of the shaft. 10 minutes of this. Flaccid girth has improved over time. Will measure erect girth and length next month


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Not sure what - if anything - is causing this, but average time from start of foreplay to finishing has been averaging 20 minutes. Used to be twice that (for the past two decades). It’s not that I can’t last longer. Just seems like….okay, time to release. Not going to over-analyze this.


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Originally Posted by Sojelq
Not sure what - if anything - is causing this, but average time from start of foreplay to finishing has been averaging 20 minutes. Used to be twice that (for the past two decades). It’s not that I can’t last longer. Just seems like.okay, time to release. Not going to over-analyze this.

When you don’t have to worry about keeping your dick hard, you can worry more about pleasing her. When you worry more about pleasing her, it takes less time to please her.

At least that is my experience. I don’t go as long as I used to either, but I think the wife is more satisfied overall.


Started PE roughly 4 Years ago. Extremely inconsistent, have had breaks of 6 plus months multiple times.

Starting Stats: BPEL 5.5" EG 4.4" -- Current: BPEL 6.9" EG 4.95" -- Ultimate Goal : BPEL Whatever happens! EG 5.75"

Yes - good points.


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Parking this here for future reference - from MXL:

Routine
I have a very simplified routine these days. Seems that short intense sessions do me more good. I warm up my unit with a “mug” of water hot as I can stand. It is a good sized, plastic insulated mug for drinking cold tea, etc.. I almost fill it up, insert my unit. I press it over my penis and testicles and hold it in place, moving it around occasionally until it no longer feels warm. At that point thermal equilibrium has been reached and there is no need to do it longer. The heat helps the gel to change to a sol phase in the tunic. thus the tuinic stretches more quickly and easily. I repeat the “mugging” about every 5 minutes during my short routine. The heat and the moisture help the penile skin to stretch better, too.

Then I lube up with olive oil (best thing I have found). I do 10 minutes of long, slow, hard, downward flacid jelq-stretches. Straight down as slow and hard as I can. I am really trying to lengthen the shaft as I slowly (10 sec) pull down between by legs. Do this 5 min, hot mug again, then 5 more minutes of downward flacid jelq-stretches.

Hot mug again. Do 5 minutes of full erection 2-handed jelq-squeezes. Encircle and clamp the base with one hand. With the other hand grab and squeeze the upper mid shaft (fattest part for me). I slowly jelq down to that fattest part then give the shaft a series of hard squeezes that last about 5 sec. each. Just keep repeating this. Do these 5 minutes, hot mug again and do 5 minutes more of the full erection 2-handed jelq-squeezes.

Next I pull my unit out to maximum length and apply 4 or 5 ice cubes, one at a time along the penile shaft. Allow them to melt on the shaft. This is to “harden” it at maximum length. Turn the sol phase back into a gel so shaft remains in elongated state for longer time. Then I sometimes wear a constriction ring for an hour to keep unit at this greater length. I pull on it , v-stretch it, off and on all day long. Wat are your thoughts here? This may not work for everyone. I think my initial gains were lig stretching and later gains were tunic stretching.


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

Originally Posted by Sojelq
Parking this here for future reference - from MXL:

Routine
I have a very simplified routine these days. Seems that short intense sessions do me more good. I warm up my unit with a “mug” of water hot as I can stand. It is a good sized, plastic insulated mug for drinking cold tea, etc.. I almost fill it up, insert my unit. I press it over my penis and testicles and hold it in place, moving it around occasionally until it no longer feels warm. At that point thermal equilibrium has been reached and there is no need to do it longer. The heat helps the gel to change to a sol phase in the tunic. thus the tuinic stretches more quickly and easily. I repeat the “mugging” about every 5 minutes during my short routine. The heat and the moisture help the penile skin to stretch better, too.

Then I lube up with olive oil (best thing I have found). I do 10 minutes of long, slow, hard, downward flacid jelq-stretches. Straight down as slow and hard as I can. I am really trying to lengthen the shaft as I slowly (10 sec) pull down between by legs. Do this 5 min, hot mug again, then 5 more minutes of downward flacid jelq-stretches.

Hot mug again. Do 5 minutes of full erection 2-handed jelq-squeezes. Encircle and clamp the base with one hand. With the other hand grab and squeeze the upper mid shaft (fattest part for me). I slowly jelq down to that fattest part then give the shaft a series of hard squeezes that last about 5 sec. each. Just keep repeating this. Do these 5 minutes, hot mug again and do 5 minutes more of the full erection 2-handed jelq-squeezes.

Next I pull my unit out to maximum length and apply 4 or 5 ice cubes, one at a time along the penile shaft. Allow them to melt on the shaft. This is to “harden” it at maximum length. Turn the sol phase back into a gel so shaft remains in elongated state for longer time. Then I sometimes wear a constriction ring for an hour to keep unit at this greater length. I pull on it , v-stretch it, off and on all day long. Wat are your thoughts here? This may not work for everyone. I think my initial gains were lig stretching and later gains were tunic stretching.

You collect interesting thoughts here from others. This is intriguing, I’m curious how applicable it is compared to his hypothesis. I may try that warmup technique.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6" MSEG as of 12/16/2016 It's a long story...and a few progress pics of me here.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My big secret? My methods. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm 7 years in and counting. Put the work in then the gains will come. All you have to do is keep the faith.

yes, he’s got an interesting way of heating up the unit. I like the IR lamp or the ThermiPaq. But MXL’s use of hot water a good too. I often stretch in the hot tub where it’s easy to keep my dick warm and stretchy. And I can do it stealth in the tub where the Mrs doesn’t even notice what I’m up to


Feb 2017: 7 BPEL; 6.5 NBPEL; 5.25 MSEG

Aug 2016: 7" BPEL; 6.5" NBPEL X 5" MSEG

Feb 2016: 6.25" BPEL; 5.75" NBPEL x 5" MSEG

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