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Roots: Progress, Rambling, Tangents

Roots: Progress, Rambling, Tangents

Everyone recommends progress threads and I decided to start one tonight before bed. I keep a log of everything I do on paper, so why not keep one on here too so people can either learn from it or critique it - both valuable things. I will use this log for just what the title implies and I will start a thread just for progress pics when I hit my next short-term goal. Let’s say every half inch or so.

So a bit ago I hit my first 9” measurement, and I hit it again yesterday. Very nice to see it then confirm it. That’s where I’m at currently. I do hanging with some light manual work and an ADS. I use a homemade static stretcher sometimes when I don’t have to work as well.

I will post more detail about my hanging and routine tomorrow along with some rambling and tangents, as promised. But now, Roots tired, need sleepy time.

Roots

Ruler Addiction

I measure WAY too much. Sometimes multiple times a day, but at least everyday. I believe this has slowed me down and here’s why:

First off, each time I measure BPEL I am disappointed to see that I did not grow significantly from the last time. This is not good motivation. If I measured once a month, I would see quantifiable increases - usually 1/8” to 1/4” as things have been going lately. This would be a much more motivating practice to see these measurable gains.

Second, each time I measure I need to get to 100% erection. I require a lot of stimulation to get completely hard, like just before the point of no return. This means edging every time I measure. Now this would be fine if I possessed the willpower to edge without ever coming - this is not the case. I am a weak willed creature when it comes to getting off. So basically every single time I measure I am ending up blowing a load. Like I said this can be multiple times each day in ADDITION to sex with my girlfriend. I’m not a huge believer that ejaculating once per day is gonna hinder gains too much, but 3-5 times? It could be. Also, coming this many times each day I find compromises the measurement process itself because it is harder to get to that “measurable” level of erection when you have just come, or even come recently. This creates more edging trying to beat my old marks and more coming. What a vicious cycle!

So these are my plans:

1) No ejaculating except during sex
2) Measure only one time per month with no ejaculating for at least 24 hours beforehand

We’ll see how it goes. I can tell this will be hard for me, but I can see the benefits. It just might take some trial and error.

Roots

I’m addicted to measurement too, doing it almost every erection I’ve. I learned that even if you really hard, it doesn’t translate to bigger size. Plus, sometimes it gets shorter without loss of erection power (always talking about feeling) and it does it in just a few seconds. So because of the last thing I’ve said, basically I think it’s really difficult to measure to the maximum sizes possible.

With your stats I’d go for girth, your length is just excellent.

Drako, with me I don’t hit max size until max erection. The kind of erection where your head swells up and gets hard too. I certainly don’t think this is always the case, but with me it definitely is.

Regarding length, I will go for girth eventually, but if I stop focusing on length now how will I get to the world record in the minimum amount of time? ;)

Yes, that’s right, I should add “personally”, “for me” etc. since everyone is different. Your routine is without resting days, did you gain more with pretty intense ones since the beginning, for the “More is more” philosophy or you started with the “Less is more” and with your experience you became the first one type?

Since I started hanging I have never taken rest days. Took one LONG break, but when I’m into my routine I don’t take rest days. In terms of intensity, measured by the weights I use, I take a pretty moderate approach. I don’t go by absolute weight, but by the discomfort a weight causes in the target tissues. In terms of absolute weight I am only hanging 6.5 lbs. right now, and the most I ever hung before that long break I spoke of was 11 lbs. If I am feeling moderate discomfort I know the weight is good, if I am feeling less than that I increase, set by set, in 1/2 lb. increments until I do feel that level of discomfort.

I am going to post a detailed version of my routine here after I finish doing laundry and that will explain what I do a bit better.

Roots

My Hanging Protocol

OK, so here is a bit more in-depth discussion of what I do for my hanging and related exercises:

Usually I can only hang in one long session per day right now because of work, so I do all my hanging at night.

The first thing I do is heat up my rice sock. Heat is proven to make connective tissue more pliable and achieve more elongation, and it makes stretching safer. Always use heat! At least to warm up.

I apply the rice sock to the tissues I am going to be targeting - in this case I am currently hanging between the cheeks, so I press it into my suspensory ligaments and let the sock trail down my hanging shaft. I grip the trailing end and squeeze it around my shaft with my other hand. After all this the warm rice sock is touching my suspensory ligaments and the dorsal and lateral sections of my tunica albuginea. I leave the sock there until I feel really warm, like almost starting to hurt/burn warm, and then remove the sock and proceed to the next step.

I precondition my tissue with manual stretches in the exact same direction I hang to elongate the same tissues that the hanging will target. Since I hang BTC right now, I manually stretch BTC by stretching with alternating hands reaching up from under each leg. Sometimes I don’t want to get into this weird body position because I’m feeling lazy, so I just stretch straight down with a wrist twist (supination) to really target the ligs - this works well too. Preconditioning, like heat, has been shown to aid in elongation during traction or static stretching, so that’s why I do this. I usually do 6-8 30-45 second stretches.

Then I flip on my infrared lamp. This is the best kind of heat for deep tissue heating as it penetrates much deeper than regular heat, or even wet heat. And I guess it’s not really a lamp at all, it’s an infrared emitter instead of a bulb - they last longer and get hot almost immediately. You find them in the reptile section at pet stores, they are made completely of opaque, usually cream colored ceramic. I use heat for the first 10-15 minutes of every set and about 2-3 minutes before the set to warm the tissues.

Then I wrap under the heat. One 8 inch piece of sweatshirt material with an 8 inch piece of self-adhesive ace bandage over it. I have tried it all and this works best for me. I wrap pretty high up on the shaft - about an inch and a half from the coronal ridge of my glans is where I start the wrap. I need to go this high or my Bib Starter will ride down on my head. My wraps are short, so my wrap is very narrow, only a tiny bit wider than the width of the hanger. I don’t even spiral the self-adhesive bandage up or down, I just wrap it straight around directly over itself pretty tight.

I attach the hanger. Too much to explain goes into this when it comes to adjustments and attachment process, it will need its own post later. I pulse push towards my head to check for shoulders and twisting.

Once the hanger is tight, I apply the weight. I apply the weight VERY slowly as connective tissue reacts very stiffly to rapid changes in stress.

My body position is sitting extremely slouched (almost a stomach crunch or Roman chair position really) on a tall, short-backed bar stool with a pillow under my back for support. The stool has a smooth metal rim around the round seat that the hanger skids ride very well on in the BTC position. I put my feet up on a rotating office chair that is set about a foot away from the chair with my knees bent. while hanging I push my thighs together and don’t let them fall to the outside as this gives me a much greater stretch in my ligs.

I shoot for hanging 5-6 total sets each day, usually all in this one session - around 3 hours of total time.

When I am done hanging I do 100-200 semi-erect (50-70% erection) jelqs to improve circulation and because jelqs are an all-around great exercise.

Progression:
I go completely by feel. I try to use enough weight to feel moderate discomfort in the target tissues - not discomfort due to poor hanger attachment or adjustments. I rarely get the second type of discomfort anymore now that I have figured out my personal adjustments and attachment process, but it is important to make the distinction. When a weight gets too light to produce this level of discomfort anymore, I increase the weight in .5 pound increments, set by set, until I feel that level of discomfort again. At this level of discomfort, I do not think I am accumulating enough fatigue to need to drop the weight and “ride the fatigue” as people talk about, I can hang the same weight for all my sets. I feel fatigue (probably a bad word for it) accumulating, but either I am just pushing through it or it is not enough to have to drop the weight - I can’t know for sure because I am not sure at what level of fatigue others decide they need to drop the weight down and ride. It is working either way.

Extras:
I stretch a bit in the morning very lightly and try to wear an ADS all day. My ADS is a Cap’n Wench clamped on very loosely and clipped to an elastic leg strap that came with my VacExtender. I am currently in the process of buying PE weights from Monty as I think these will work better as an ADS and be less of a hassle. Please note, I don’t think an ADS is necessary for gains, and I don’t even know for sure if there is synergy between hanging and an ADS, but I do it just in case it helps. It certainly doesn’t hurt.

On days I don’t work I use a stretcher I built for as much time as I can fit in on top of my regular hanging and ADS. I have pictures of its construction and use on a thread I started called “my stress relaxation-based stretcher,” or something like that. Search for it if you want to see how it looks and works. Lots of discussion on there about the principles involved too.

Current hanging stats:
(I will update these as they change)

Weight: 6.5 pounds
Angle: between the cheeks
Set Length: 20 minutes
Rest Length: 10 minutes

That’s a lot of stuff, thanks for sharing it.

Not a problem drako.

Hanging Update

First hanging update!

I was hanging 6.5 lbs. tonight, noticed the discomfort was noticeably lower. Went up to 7 lbs., did all four remaining sets with it. The last set was almost hard to finish. Looks like lucky number 7 is the weight for now.

Current hanging stats:

Weight: 7 pounds
Angle: between the cheeks
Set Length: 20 minutes
Rest Length: 10 minutes

Originally Posted by rootsnatty
OK, so here is a bit more in-depth discussion of what I do for my hanging and related exercises:

Usually I can only hang in one long session per day right now because of work, so I do all my hanging at night.

The first thing I do is heat up my rice sock. Heat is proven to make connective tissue more pliable and achieve more elongation, and it makes stretching safer. Always use heat! At least to warm up.

I apply the rice sock to the tissues I am going to be targeting - in this case I am currently hanging between the cheeks, so I press it into my suspensory ligaments and let the sock trail down my hanging shaft. I grip the trailing end and squeeze it around my shaft with my other hand. After all this the warm rice sock is touching my suspensory ligaments and the dorsal and lateral sections of my tunica albuginea. I leave the sock there until I feel really warm, like almost starting to hurt/burn warm, and then remove the sock and proceed to the next step.

I precondition my tissue with manual stretches in the exact same direction I hang to elongate the same tissues that the hanging will target. Since I hang BTC right now, I manually stretch BTC by stretching with alternating hands reaching up from under each leg. Sometimes I don’t want to get into this weird body position because I’m feeling lazy, so I just stretch straight down with a wrist twist (supination) to really target the ligs - this works well too. Preconditioning, like heat, has been shown to aid in elongation during traction or static stretching, so that’s why I do this. I usually do 6-8 30-45 second stretches.

Then I flip on my infrared lamp. This is the best kind of heat for deep tissue heating as it penetrates much deeper than regular heat, or even wet heat. And I guess it’s not really a lamp at all, it’s an infrared emitter instead of a bulb - they last longer and get hot almost immediately. You find them in the reptile section at pet stores, they are made completely of opaque, usually cream colored ceramic. I use heat for the first 10-15 minutes of every set and about 2-3 minutes before the set to warm the tissues.

Then I wrap under the heat. One 8 inch piece of sweatshirt material with an 8 inch piece of self-adhesive ace bandage over it. I have tried it all and this works best for me. I wrap pretty high up on the shaft - about an inch and a half from the coronal ridge of my glans is where I start the wrap. I need to go this high or my Bib Starter will ride down on my head. My wraps are short, so my wrap is very narrow, only a tiny bit wider than the width of the hanger. I don’t even spiral the self-adhesive bandage up or down, I just wrap it straight around directly over itself pretty tight.

I attach the hanger. Too much to explain goes into this when it comes to adjustments and attachment process, it will need its own post later. I pulse push towards my head to check for shoulders and twisting.

Once the hanger is tight, I apply the weight. I apply the weight VERY slowly as connective tissue reacts very stiffly to rapid changes in stress.

My body position is sitting extremely slouched (almost a stomach crunch or Roman chair position really) on a tall, short-backed bar stool with a pillow under my back for support. The stool has a smooth metal rim around the round seat that the hanger skids ride very well on in the BTC position. I put my feet up on a rotating office chair that is set about a foot away from the chair with my knees bent. while hanging I push my thighs together and don’t let them fall to the outside as this gives me a much greater stretch in my ligs.

I shoot for hanging 5-6 total sets each day, usually all in this one session - around 3 hours of total time.

When I am done hanging I do 100-200 semi-erect (50-70% erection) jelqs to improve circulation and because jelqs are an all-around great exercise.

Progression:
I go completely by feel. I try to use enough weight to feel moderate discomfort in the target tissues - not discomfort due to poor hanger attachment or adjustments. I rarely get the second type of discomfort anymore now that I have figured out my personal adjustments and attachment process, but it is important to make the distinction. When a weight gets too light to produce this level of discomfort anymore, I increase the weight in .5 pound increments, set by set, until I feel that level of discomfort again. At this level of discomfort, I do not think I am accumulating enough fatigue to need to drop the weight and “ride the fatigue” as people talk about, I can hang the same weight for all my sets. I feel fatigue (probably a bad word for it) accumulating, but either I am just pushing through it or it is not enough to have to drop the weight - I can’t know for sure because I am not sure at what level of fatigue others decide they need to drop the weight down and ride. It is working either way.

Extras:
I stretch a bit in the morning very lightly and try to wear an ADS all day. My ADS is a Cap’n Wench clamped on very loosely and clipped to an elastic leg strap that came with my VacExtender. I am currently in the process of buying PE weights from Monty as I think these will work better as an ADS and be less of a hassle. Please note, I don’t think an ADS is necessary for gains, and I don’t even know for sure if there is synergy between hanging and an ADS, but I do it just in case it helps. It certainly doesn’t hurt.

On days I don’t work I use a stretcher I built for as much time as I can fit in on top of my regular hanging and ADS. I have pictures of its construction and use on a thread I started called “my stress relaxation-based stretcher,” or something like that. Search for it if you want to see how it looks and works. Lots of discussion on there about the principles involved too.

Current hanging stats:
(I will update these as they change)

Weight: 6.5 pounds
Angle: between the cheeks
Set Length: 20 minutes
Rest Length: 10 minutes


Ahhh, we seem to have thought the same way in pertinence to hanging. Very interesting. Gonna copy some of your tracking methods lawl, and was that a typo though? Your penis is 9” bpel?


BPEL: 8.35"/ NBPEL:7.0" /EG: Apprx. 5.5"

Not a typo. I’ve gained about 1.25” from my starting 7.75”. As I said above, I will start a picture thread when I hit my next half inch or so.

Copy away Tony!

Roots

Increased hanging weight to 7.5 lbs. tonight. It felt very good in the ol’ ligs. Only got four sets in tonight and three last night though, shame on me!

Hanging Update

Increased weight to 8 pounds. Hit it for five sets and it felt really good, not too much discomfort, but my ligs are actually quite sore now so I know it is working.

Also I noticed my hanger attachment was getting too close to my glans again. Moved it higher by 1/4” and it felt SUPER comfortable. Attaching pretty high, around 2” above the glans, works so well for me and almost always stops any discomfort I am having outside of the stretched tissues.

Roots

P.S. - got a good rambling post coming up probably tomorrow. ;)

Got My Girlfriend Pumping

My girlfriend is totally awesome and really supportive about my PE. When I first showed her my toolbox and pulled out my pump I mentioned that they make cylinders for pumping all kinds of stuff; balls, clits, nipples, and breasts. She was intrigued at the idea of making her breasts bigger with a pump and also joining me on my “mission of expansion.”

I ordered her the Noogleberry breast pump so she could see if she liked it. I also told her about water pumping and how it could be applied to the breast pump for better results. She loved the idea.

So the pump came in the mail today, we immediately opened it and began experimenting. Tried regular air pumping on one breast first, went pretty well, basically the same as penis pumping. The boob would expand faster in the cylinder (no connective tissue really in breasts) and the pressure would begin to drop, so it had to be repumped more often to maintain a constant pressure, but overall it was close to the same.

The second experiment was water pumping the other breast. It all went well, got water in the cup, got a good seal, hooked up my break bleeder, then things went south. I began pumping and the pressure would spike and then return to zero immediately. I didn’t know what was going on, thought there was a bad seal. She is new to it so had no clue either. After filling and emptying the reservoir three times I finally looked up. Her small C cup boob had completely packed a cup capable of achieving expansion for a D cup. The color was terrible and there was already a bunch of edema showing! “Oh no she’s gonna blow!”

Since the breast expands so easily and I left no air in the cup to suck out, each time I pumped the boob instantly expanded the same amount as the water I pumped out with no increase in vacuum pressure!

She is still wanting to continue after letting the boob in question heal up though, so it looks like I got a side kick/partner for my journey. I’m pretty excited!

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