My Progress

Thanks Richard so far it is going good. The extra rest makes it feel refreshed before the next workout. I don’t think 1 day off was enough rest. Even though it’s just 30 dry jelqs they are really effective jelq strokes. I don’t squeeze hard or anything but I get very good expansion. Last workout was yesterday on 6-29-17.

15x30 sec stretches
30 dry jelqs

Today is my 3rd day off. I think I will take a week of rest before resuming my pe schedule. After my last break I came back with really good recovery from my workouts but it caused me to overdo things thinking that I was undertraining. I know now not to do that so hopefully a week break will take me back to that point so I can get it right this time. Also I think doing all those horse squeezes back then affected it negatively too. I think I will stick with dry jelq and stretching and go 1 on 2 off like I planned. But my PIs are not where they should be right now. My eq has not been good because of the accumulated fatigue from over training weeks ago. I had to go back and read sparky’s PI thread to remind myself of how important having good eq is.

First session of my 1 on 2 off routine was on 7-8-17.

15x30 sec stretches
30 dry jelqs

This was after about a week and 2 days off of pe. I can definitely feel a very slight fatigue like it was worked out effectively. I don’t feel like it is too intense at all. The last time I tried a 1 on 2 off I increased the intensity to compensate for the extra time off which was a bad idea. The workout was too intense and I felt like I needed more than 2 days of rest.

Every now and then I may still take an extra day if I feel that I need it but I think 1 on 2 off will lead to better gains considering that I’m a less is more grower. Throughout my log I had always made gains during 2 and 3 day breaks but hardly ever after just 1 day off.

Yesterday I did my same routine. I have been thinking about my eq and my kegel routine. It has been a long time since I took more than 1 day off of kegels in a row. I do 10-10 second holds every other day. I even did that on my rest week away from pe. I think that my eq would be consistently stronger if I did them every 2 days on the days that I do my pe sessions. I don’t think my pc muscle fully recover after just 1 day of rest. I remember when my eq was it’s best I was only doing kegels 2 times a week which gave me plenty of rest for it to fully recover. I will not kegel until Monday when I do my next pe session and report how it goes. When my eq is really good I don’t need to fantasize about sex during jelqing and I struggle to keep completely flaccid during stretches. Also my dick stays fuller throughout the day allowing me to achieve easier erections. One kegel easily fills up the head before my jelq strokes. If I am right and my eq is stronger after 2 days of no kegels I will know for sure that some of us should even do a less is more approach to kegels as well.

Rahman

I fully support the “more is not always more - even for kegels” statement. I think a handful of Kegels well done are better than a hundred of it hastily executed.

Quality supersedes quantity!

So I recently took 2 days off of kegels and my eq improved a lot. It is as good as it has been before I started training kegels every other day without extra rest days. I did pe Monday and today. I will go back to Monday Wednesday Friday sessions with weekends off and no kegels.

Also another thing I changed was lightened up my stretches. I was barely using any force at all when stretching but it seems I had to lighten it up just a tad. Now I’m back to stretch with literally no force. I pull until it stops and hold it there. I don’t try to “feel” the stretch because I know the stretching is taking place. This is how I was stretching when I made my gains. Plus it doesn’t affect my eq negatively since it is a light pull only to max length. I will keep this routine for a month and see what happens. I think the extra rest time for my pc muscle made the biggest impact even though it was just one extra day of rest. I didn’t rest it further because on the third day my eq wasn’t as hard which told me my pc was ready to be worked again. I also took away 3 of my 10 second kegel holds. Now it is only 7 holds 10 seconds each and I also kegel before my jelqs which make it a total of 100 seconds under tension.

Session yesterday was:

10x30 stretches
30 dry jelqs

I went back to the routine that worked before I stopped gaining. Doing 5 less stretches makes a big difference. It feels effective and today my eq was higher than it has been in a while. I got random boners and it was easy to get an erection today. I will stick to this routine for atleast 2 months without change and see what happens.

Sounds great as decision!

Even though I set my days back to that I always take extra rest days when fatigue builds up. So it’s never a concrete plan. In my log I see where sometimes I take 3 days off and sometimes 2 depending on whether or not I still feel a slight soreness that needs healing.

Session yesterday was the same routine. I may or may not take tomorrow off depending on if I feel fatigue or not. Trying to make sure I allow proper time for growth and not just recovery.

Today is rest day 2. My bpel and eq are higher than it was before. My bpel also measures higher than yesterday. As I stated before the day after a session I measure about .2” smaller in bpel from the fatigue. This tells me that tomorrow would be good to go. I see that I wasn’t resting enough which caused me to plateau. Even though I cut my routine a little bit with the stretches I still benefit from taking 2 days off instead of one. I will stick with 1 on 2 off from now on and won’t change this routine for 2-3 months to see what progress I can make. I think it will work better for me because when I did 1 on 1 off on the day of my workouts my bpel wouldn’t go to max length until I took about 2 days off which means I was just overlapping the inflammation from workout to workout without maximizing gains.

I wouldn’t have thought lightening up the routine would help because the routine was already pretty light to begin with? I’m not complaining I’m just happy I’ve stumbled onto something that seems to help kickstart gains again!

Session today was the same.

10x30 sec stretches
30 dry jelqs

The next 2 days are off for recovery and growth.

I have been brainstorming as to why my eq has been so inconsistent and I know now it is because of stretching. I thought long and hard(literally) about my PIs. Common sense told me that when I stretched first it made it easier to keep my erection down during jelqing. Since my PIs always slowly decline as weeks pass even on my light routine that stretching may have been the cause. Even though I only do extremely light pulls just enough to reach max length.

So yesterday I did only 30 dry jelqs with a warm up and warm down. My eq shot back up from a 7 to about a 9.5! Now this got me wondering if I should drop stretching or maybe do it once a week? I definitely don’t want to lose my length gains but perhaps dry jelqing could possibly maintain or even increase my length as well as my girth. My eq hasn’t been this good in a long time and obviously jelqing did it for me. I would actually take slower length gains in exchange for actual girth gains I just wouldnt want to lose any of my length gains due to not stretching at all. But I really want some girth gains and I would think that increased eq comes before girth increases and with stretching 3 times per week with my light routine slowly decrease my positive PIs. Opinions are welcomed if anyone have ideas.

Rahman

Quite an accurate observation you are making. Indeed, maybe stretching is a bit too much in the moment. For me there are three possible ways by now:

- Separate stretching and jelqing into AM and PM sessions but still keep them within the same day (to have two rest days following in a row).

- Comoletely give up stretching in favor of a pure jelqing routine. Maybe it’s the easiest way to cobditiob your dick. Stretching still can be tried later. And jelqing may work at least on preserving what you gained in length, maybe even progressing length albeit slowly.

- Introduce Kegels for better EQ as additional routine (and separated from PE training). Just 5 min per day, not more in the first 4 weeks.

In my opinion, I would first try the first and the third way, if after 1-2 minths EQ still remains unstable go for solution 2 and 3.

Hope this helps

Richard65

Thanks Richard. I have always done kegels I just rarely noted it in my log. I actually want to maybe take 2-4 weeks off from stretching to test the pure jelq routine and maybe add stretching back in if I think that I need it. I know some guys actually gained good on a jelq only routine but some didn’t. If eq remains high consistently then I may drop stretches to once a week. If I notice girth gains i may give up stretching all together because I do want to get thicker even if I don’t gain anymore length. Reaching my 6.25” midshaft girth goal would satisfy me more.