Manko007's road to big dick land

bpfsl t0 inception bpfsl t1 elastic limit bpfsl t2 with creep bpfsl t2 with creep t2 bpfsl t2 with creep t3 bpfsl 3 post cooldown
21.3 21.6 21.6 21.7 21.8 21.8

Blasted through 21.2, and 21.5 in about a week with underwater US method. Today specially I’ve never had such stretch. Used a piece of aluminum foil over a half cut water bottle to create a reflective surface around my shaft so the US is bounced back and absorbed by the tissues. Ditched the plastic bag and just hung upwards angle in the tub filled with hot water putting a pulley on the shower head tube and raised the weight to 7.9kg for the first time on the last set of 3.

I can’t imagine anything more optimal than this setup. I felt my whole shaft stretching, not just the head as per usual. The best part was measuring afterwards and seeing I blasted past 21.5. Couldn’t believe my eyes. At 22cm t3 I’ll should get to 8” BPEL, a long sought after dream of mine. Now I can imagine going past it, which never before was a possibility with the poor results I was getting before in my PE career.

Too good to be true? I thought so too and checked my ruler many times, but the numbers don’t lie. I am still thinking this could just be a dream. But dream is reality sometimes. The thought I shouldn’t share this with anyone even crossed my mind. That’s how big I think this is. Of course I wouldn’t keep this just to myself when I’ve received so much help from the community and I hope this helps someone as it’s helped me. I specially thank Kyrpa for leading me onto US. I still think it’s too early to be conclusive about US but the results seem indisputable so far. The mind refuses to believe what it once thought possible, that it is conditioned to not believe in dreams or miracles as a result of failure, that when success presents itself it refuses to believe it is possible. The irony on this one.

Another thing I realized is that ever since I started PE my whole penis has bent downwards like a banana but going down. This got me thinking that I’ve been elongating the penis and the top, without the tough ventral cord, has elongated as much as possible, but the ventral cords have stayed the same, effectively causing tension and the downward banana effect. This is my theory behind the upward angle and I finally got a good stretch on it today. I think if I correct this curve I could effectively gain a lot. How much would angle correction give me? I am not sure, but ideally my penis would regain it’s straightness and this would be greedy but actually cause the curve to go the opposite way, as when I have sex the downward angle is not ideal or practical for many positions.

I always thought why are gains so slow? It’s not like the penis is that strong? If I could just cut this cord it would grow.. Effectively, this heating of the cord is releasing gains. The limiting factor is real.

The only thing that could improve would be getting a stronger US with 3w/cm^2 to reach 45 or 46 degrees easily. There’s a study on joint pig where the study finds that 3cm was the best, and reached 45 degree, but with 2cm it couldn’t even pass 39 or 40 can’t remember. After all tendon temperature is what matters, not muscle as many studies test. Tendon is a different animal with lower half value depth and more reflection, but greater absorption. A 3cm would increase the absorption at the 1mhz rate.

Great results anyway. Can’t wait to see what 2019 will bring PE wise.

Off to change my profile signature measurements

7.4 ->> 7.75 inches bpel

Congratulations on your breakthrough Manko!
Thank you for your kind words. Also for your experiments and precise documentation which is a great help for me personally. I appreciate your contribution.
It feels encouraging that taking your step to a next level with this procedure is bringing you these gains.

It is a real thing this limiting “cord” phenomenon and I am genuinely thinking this is the only way available for attacking it.
Heat is everything as it is commonly known but there is no other tool to heat thickening of the TA warm enough.

2019 will the year to remember and not just for you alone.

Thanks man. I could have not done it without you.

Today I replicated the 21.8 so I wasnt just seeing things.

Also the soundcare plus has 3w/cm2 function but only at 70% duty cycle. I was going to do a temperature experiment at this mode but my thermometer device fell in the water and broke. Also I think I got a uti from these experiments. Sterilizing the probe is really important unless you like pain when you pee.

I think at that modality the effective heating is 2.1w/cm2 as 30% of US is off.

By the way, I noticed your girth is increasing also. Are you doing extra girth exercises or is it just coming with the lenght gains?

I was thinking of doing clamping with US to expand the tunica girth wise. If it works so well lengthening it should theoretically work both ways.

Yes I have done them all the time in some form or another. Girth work being minimal I suppose most of the girth gains are coming from the stretching bringing strain to CC/ CS tissues now the tunica is extended. When TA is not limiting that much especially by it´s thickened parts you can feel much more effects inside the shaft.

I am trying to keep this trend and at this moment not completely sure what is the main reason.

Manual fulcrum stretches and clamping with US could be effective. That said I have not used US with girth work at all. But I certainly have practiced them after US heated stretching sessions.

Maybe I need to study my own notes and take a closer look on the numbers to form a more sophisticated opinion.

Awesome Thread and some great take away info.

Here is an update on my excel log from before. I’ve added more columns to track different metrics.

Some interesting observations:

if (b) which is BPFSL-BPEL goes past 1.5 cm I almost always get a rather immediate BPEL gain.

the spread of (b) has increased considerably from 3 months ago when I started at 0.30cm to as high as a temporary 1.7cm and mostly 1.5 seems to be the ceiling

my decon break from cycle 1 was just 26 days. I had a hard time getting past bpfsl t3 20.8 and after the decon I went past it rather easily

this is in line with IPR theory, but the interesting thing is I didn’t take 3 months off, it was rather just 26 days

cycle 2 is aproaching cycle 1 time before I hit a “wall” but so far I haven’t hit a “wall” with the underwater US method, when I do I’ll take another decon break

total strain percentages are back up starting US methods up to 2.5% average. Pre US method total strain was dipping below 1.5%

have not used fulcrums for past week yet managed to increase bpfsl t3 from 21.2 to 21.8, it’s hard to use a fulcrum and US at the same time, too many things to juggle around with

with US it seems like fulcrums are not really necessary, but they may have their use. I feel a better stretch without a fulcrum for some reason but only with US

my NBPEL is rather annoying to measure and lags behind BPEL quite a lot about 1.5 inches, but it’s coming up, and noticeably bigger anyways

thus far have gained a total of 1.4cm since November. That’s 0.55” in three months, not including decon break of 1 month, that is two months roughly

of the 1.4cm I gained half in cycle 1, and half in cycle 2, so pretty equal, although I’ve had a lot more sessions in cycle 2

cycle 1 were probably like “newbie” gains although I’ve been doing this for years, one could say “this methods newbie gains”

weight is considerably up this cycle from end of cycle 1 6.2kg, to now at 7.9kg, or 17.5lbs

modifying the bib hanger was crucial to hang heavier past 6.2kg without pain, can’t stress this enough as a necessity if you hang

I forgot to write down a thought I had and it is the concept of progressive overload, this can be similar to the fitness world. Yesterday my set 2 stretch was higher than my set 3 stretch, and I think this could be because the third set used the same weight as set 2. However, from set 1 to set 2 the weight was increased from 7.4 to 7.9, so it seems like there was an ‘overshooting’ effect at set 2 stretch of 1mm since set 3 was only 21.8, but set 2 was 21.9. There could be other reasons like I didn’t measure well, or didn’t hang as effectively as set 2 on set 3, etc, but it got me thinking that this ‘overshooting effect’ could be applied by progressively overloading each set. In effect, this would have ment that I should have increased my weight yesterday at set 3 by 0.5kg. So pyramid sets could be, or not, more effective than straight sets, basically. I’ve done this before US and it didn’t work as clockwork, but with US it may just work like that.

In theory, this would mean my next session would have to start at the average weight of my previous session, so 7.4 for set 1, then 7.9, then 8.4, if I had been doing pyramids for a while. The next session would then be 7.9, 8.4, and 8.9. However, the weight increment is too fast, but some measure of this pyramiding of weights seems to be optimal in breaking through plateaus, as I’ve done so in the past, it’s highly intuitive though, and not as mechanical as one would wish.

Been silence for a while down here. Hope everything is okey?

How is your work progressing?

Hey Kyrpa,

Yeah, it’s been a while. I just stopped posting since no one seems interested or posting anything in the threads I follow. But I’ve been at it lol

Just finished my 3rd cycle since starting this new protocol. Gonna take about two months off, but made some decent gains.

Here is my excel spreadsheet. I trimmed it down a bit since few metrics became obsolete in particular I stopped the 60min to remove elasticity set.

Now I just do 3 sets 20min each.

One thing I found to be crucial to break my plateau is of course other than rest for 1 month, to twist the head south east in bib hardcore hanger to trap the cord in between the grooves better. This totally transfers the strain from the head to the shaft, and I can even have a normal color head after 20min set. I can probably hang 30min no problem cause the circulation is a lot better. In contrast, if I put head as Bib suggests, just try to line urethra hole parallel to sides of bib hanger and form the head and shoulders, it is really bad for my head and becomes purple, lots of stress on head, and can’t hang heavier weight.

In summary my last findings are twist head south east in bib hanger. Hang heavier weight. Hang progressively heavier weight each set. That is what 10s, 11s means. I start with say 9kg, then go up to 11kg. This is mostly because of pain. The lodacaine only helps so much.

My BPEL is now 20cm I think. Awesome gains in just 3 cycles around 2cm in BPEL. And I think I have more gains coming because my “bpfsl
t0 -bpel (b)” is at 2cm, and usually it averages 1.7, so I guess 0.3cm gains coming to restore average.

Exciting stuff. I also am doing 3mhz now, seems to have a stronger burn, but not sure about inner temperature. As I tested first before i got the UTI, the 1mhz was better higher temp, but now im doing 3mhz I think it helped with my last plateau.

Another thing seems to be at the 2 week mark of a cycle, there is a window where you can break the plateau. As you can see I was struggling. I used this window to up the weight and break through it. 2 weeks seems to be a recurring phenomena with plateau, gains, and proliferation, so be mindful of this.

That’s all I can think of for now. But it’s been awesome. Let me know if you have any questions.

And let me know how your progress is going/any insights also :)

Also if you have plateau during your cycle I suggest you rest like 2-3 days, then come back and try to break it with heavier weight. You will be able to handle heavier weight because your fresh again. In particular the 2 week mark is important to use rest and weight to leverage breaking through a plateau.

You can see how many rest days I took based on the dates.
Also the flucrum is still a mistery, with just hanging from the shower head it is kind of like hanging SO more than SU, but the strain on shaft is quite good even without fuclrum and I feel less strain with fulcrum, so I mostly do “nnn” which is nothing no fulcrum.

But perhaps I need to focus on my fulcrum technique or change the hanging angle to make it work better.

Great to see you back. Your process is the one I can relate the most still going on. Keep on updating as at least I like to see where you are going. In fact because of the lack of other US users I need to have you updating. Bearded Dragon have started similar project as well but he is doing it under radar for his reasons I understand.
Congratulations on your progress as well. You are doing great.

You ask if I have some insights on this so I take some privileges to analyze and compare it to similar process running at my side.
We are getting similar results in our BPFSL driven approaches. Main difference being yours being perfect example of creep based lengthening while I am concentrating on stress relaxation induced lengthening. Both ending up to same results eventually.

Being in this situation with almost identical dimensions and gains it is easy to see the classic example in the differences of the outcome. Confirming nicely what studies have indicated previously with ligaments and tendons.

We are both experiencing almost identical strain on average calculated from cycles and periods.
You are hitting plateau earlier at 2 weeks versus 2 months of mine. That is because nature of the creep phenomenon based approach. Stretching with a continuous load tissue recruits more collagen fibers and so on resists the force and you have to proceed with the incremental elevations on weight. Stress relaxation doesn’t require that much progression on loading as the phenomenon recruits much less collagen while stretched.

Here is quotation of the study you are already familiar I recall: ” Thornton et al. speculated that differences in stress relaxation and creep behavior are due to progressive recruitment of collagen fibers during creep and that this microstructural behavior is unlikely to have as significant an effect on stress relaxation as on creep. If this concept is correct, then the progressive recruitment of collagen fibers could also explain the decrease in the rate of creep with increasing load. As larger loads are applied to the ligament more fibers are recruited leaving fewer fibers to be progressively recruited after initial loading and therefore decreasing the creep response.”

http://silver.n … akes/LigNLV.pdf

And a another quote from comments Marinera on same study :
“I think the study resumed in the last post is interesting because it shows how creep adaptation happens in a different way when a load is applyed right after stress-relaxation - in this case, the rate of creep augment with the load, when in normal circumstances happens just the opposite.
If this phenomenon was true for TA, it would means that, in example, wearing an extender or doing light progressive stretches before hanging could speed the creep adaptation because, at that moment, creeps are more dependant on load that on time.It recall close the “2-phase PE approach” discussed before in this same thread.”

Loading, lengthening, healing. (p. 14)

Yes they are great gains and they are not stopping I believe. I am sure you are right on this one. Coincidentally I am riding on this very same edge measure differences being exact same.

I have found smaller radius fulcrum being the key using my freehand grip along the shaft as fulcrum doing manual stretching.

I guess the question that comes to mind, is there a stress relaxation effect with the initial lighter loads of the progression when hanging, before getting into the creep effect zones?

Surely there is this effect. Creep and stress relaxation being two different mechanisms of tissue elongation both working at same time it is hard to separate them using constant load.
Extenders using progressive springs work somewhere between. Extenders with rod adjusted lenght are pure stress relaxation stretchers. I have tried many variations and its doable with spring loaded extender but it takes much more time than with pure lenght adjusted extender.

If hanger wants to isolate the stress relaxation effect he should put much lighter weight than his usual starting weight and lock the wire pulling his attachment gizmo somehow to its initial lenght. Every five minutes stress in his penis should be relaxed and opening this locking user can induce stress once again and then lock the wire to this new lenght and repeat this for 30mins or so.
Then he can start with his usual sets with weights he is accustomed.