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lifestyle’s Progress Thread: PE & A Lifestyle of Self Improvement

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
I wouldn’t increase duration if you’re seeing gains with this pattern of work and rest. Increasing duration will decrease rest and increase toughening factors compared to the gains you’ve seen already. I always suggest try not to fix what is working. It saves you time and money. This is not just a PE Word of Wisdom.

Thanks for the advice TG. I appreciate you stopping by my thread. I’ve spent hundreds of hours reading about PE. I’ve read more threads start to finish than I care to admit. I completely agree with what you’re saying. I’m not naive enough to believe my hundreds of hours of reading is even close to comparable to your thousands of days of experience, but I believe I’m somewhat informed of the risks, and I do have a strategy.

Here’s my strategy:

  • Do as much PE as possible WITHOUT:
    - Impacting EQ in any way
    - Causing injury or any other negative PIs
    - Toughening the tunica
  • Listen to my body and rest as much as required.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, my first month or so of PE was one long string of injuries and negative PIs. I believe I’ve learned to listen to my body, and I’ve incorporated a few things that have greatly sped up recovery time. However, toughening the tunica is still a major risk, which I am also making an effort to proactively address.

I am currently doing the following:

  • LEDT (LED light therapy)
    - 660nm red / 850nm infrared light therapy to precondition the penis and decrease recovery time (I still need to create a thread on the topic…)
  • Androgen supplementation
    - 11-keto DHT
    - Proviron
    - I am not expecting any direct growth here, but I believe this helps increase EQ and decrease recovery time. I am also taking them for other health and fitness reasons.
  • MK-677 supplementation
    - This causes my body to produce more IGF-1. I believe this may contribute to growth and decrease recovery time.
  • DMSO, POTABA, and nascent iodine topical
    - Anecdotal reports show this may help break down scar tissue, prevent fibrosis and toughening, and even contribute to gains
    - Studies show DMSO can help stretch skin
  • Other supplements to decrease collagen buildup & fibrosis and increase blood flow

I plan to add the following:
  • BPC-157
    - This can greatly speed up healing
    - This also has angiogenic properties that may directly contribute to growth
  • TB-500
    - This can greatly speed up healing
    - This can also help stretch connective tissue

Now I do NOT believe there is some “chemical PE” magic bullet. I believe in dedication and putting in the work every day over an extended period of time. That said, I do believe there are various drugs and supplements that can help with health, fitness, and even PE. Obviously, these do not come without risk. However, I believe I have done adequate research and am prepared to accept the risk.

All of that said, I know I may STILL inhibit my gains. Perhaps my theory is wrong, and I will end up toughening my tunica even more and limit my gains long term. Based upon scientific research and anecdotal reports of others, I believe it is more likely that I will gain. This is a risk I am willing to take.

Here’s the way I look at it. Let’s say there are two options:

  1. For every 1000 hours of PE, I get 1 inch of gains (simple round numbers for the sake of discussion, not accurate timeframes).
  2. For every 1000 hours of PE, with supplementation, I can get 1.6 inches of gains, heal some old injuries, and be more effective in the gym.

Option 1 is tried and true. It is the safe bet.
Option 2 has inherent risks, and may even backfire and limit my gains long term.

I am making a conscious decision to choose option 2. It is the riskier of the two options, but I believe it is the right option for me for a number of reasons.

As you said: “I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” This resonates with me. I may have different methods of reaching my goals, but I will reach them. I will not stop until I do.

Thanks again for stopping by and giving your advice. I’m open to anything else you have to say, good or bad, and hope you’ll continue to drop by my progress thread.


Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

I can see the basis behind your math. The problem with it is…it is too much math. Tissue doesn’t like to conform to equations. Going the tried and true way doesn’t affect gains in the long term and still offers you full access to option B. Starting with Option B limits your effectiveness of Option A and ultimately will rule Option A out.

It’s a poor mathematical gamble, statistically, since you lose very little if anything at all with Option A first until it is exhausted. I support your decision in either case but, you have PE mathed out too complexly too early to make that series of bets the way you have with any real, credible certainty.

Even at my experience level I find surprises, like different expansion patterns and gains or losses. It is why I don’t do heavy outlines of what I want to do, as PE to be effective requires a certain element of fluidity to adjust and remain efficient and sensible. Your input of so many chemicals, exercises and devices…may work. Or it may not and there will be zero way of triangulating which element has failed or how badly due to the sheer amount of inputs into your PE system. Isolating factors for gains is how long-term gains are created and cemented. You lose that ability with this many inputs so early in your career. It simply will not be decoded with certainty like when you take simpler approaches.

Option B would make more sense with more experience under your belt. This is not the first time I’ve had this conversation, as a similar approach recently has been implemented by @aboveallothers and I’ve seen this done with other users fresh and early into the PE game. It’s a front-loaded cost strategy that I have yet to see manifest gains that proportionally reward said costs and risks more than the traditional methods.

The biggest gainers I’ve seen, even to some point myself included, focus one method or goal at a time and adjust dynamically over the long-term to reach it effectively. That, I’ve seen for myself and observed in others.

But, it is up to you and it is your journey.

Originally Posted by lifestyle
Thanks for the advice TG. I appreciate you stopping by my thread. I’ve spent hundreds of hours reading about PE. I’ve read more threads start to finish than I care to admit. I completely agree with what you’re saying. I’m not naive enough to believe my hundreds of hours of reading is even close to comparable to your thousands of days of experience, but I believe I’m somewhat informed of the risks, and I do have a strategy.

Here’s my strategy:

  • Do as much PE as possible WITHOUT:
    - Impacting EQ in any way
    - Causing injury or any other negative PIs
    - Toughening the tunica
  • Listen to my body and rest as much as required.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, my first month or so of PE was one long string of injuries and negative PIs. I believe I’ve learned to listen to my body, and I’ve incorporated a few things that have greatly sped up recovery time. However, toughening the tunica is still a major risk, which I am also making an effort to proactively address.

I am currently doing the following:

  • LEDT (LED light therapy)
    - 660nm red / 850nm infrared light therapy to precondition the penis and decrease recovery time (I still need to create a thread on the topic…)
  • Androgen supplementation
    - 11-keto DHT
    - Proviron
    - I am not expecting any direct growth here, but I believe this helps increase EQ and decrease recovery time. I am also taking them for other health and fitness reasons.
  • MK-677 supplementation
    - This causes my body to produce more IGF-1. I believe this may contribute to growth and decrease recovery time.
  • DMSO, POTABA, and nascent iodine topical
    - Anecdotal reports show this may help break down scar tissue, prevent fibrosis and toughening, and even contribute to gains
    - Studies show DMSO can help stretch skin
  • Other supplements to decrease collagen buildup & fibrosis and increase blood flow

I plan to add the following:
  • BPC-157
    - This can greatly speed up healing
    - This also has angiogenic properties that may directly contribute to growth
  • TB-500
    - This can greatly speed up healing
    - This can also help stretch connective tissue

Now I do NOT believe there is some “chemical PE” magic bullet. I believe in dedication and putting in the work every day over an extended period of time. That said, I do believe there are various drugs and supplements that can help with health, fitness, and even PE. Obviously, these do not come without risk. However, I believe I have done adequate research and am prepared to accept the risk.

All of that said, I know I may STILL inhibit my gains. Perhaps my theory is wrong, and I will end up toughening my tunica even more and limit my gains long term. Based upon scientific research and anecdotal reports of others, I believe it is more likely that I will gain. This is a risk I am willing to take.

Here’s the way I look at it. Let’s say there are two options:

  1. For every 1000 hours of PE, I get 1 inch of gains (simple round numbers for the sake of discussion, not accurate timeframes).
  2. For every 1000 hours of PE, with supplementation, I can get 1.6 inches of gains, heal some old injuries, and be more effective in the gym.

Option 1 is tried and true. It is the safe bet.
Option 2 has inherent risks, and may even backfire and limit my gains long term.

I am making a conscious decision to choose option 2. It is the riskier of the two options, but I believe it is the right option for me for a number of reasons.

As you said: “I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” This resonates with me. I may have different methods of reaching my goals, but I will reach them. I will not stop until I do.

Thanks again for stopping by and giving your advice. I’m open to anything else you have to say, good or bad, and hope you’ll continue to drop by my progress thread.


Now: 9.25" BPEL x 6.18" MSEG as of 8/9/2018 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My current PE4F pumping project and my balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *9* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.


Last edited by thoughtfulgold : 03-11-2018 at .

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
It’s a poor mathematical gamble, statistically, since you lose very little if anything at all with Option A first until it is exhausted. I support your decision in either case but, you have PE mathed out too complexly too early to make that series of bets the way you have with any real, credible certainty.

Well, what can I say? You’re right. So I’ll just be direct.

My self disgust has me at a point where I’m going to do it anyway.

I believe I can do the following:

  • Potentiate beginner gains to gain more, not less, in the beginning
  • Minimize toughening so I don’t limit long term gains

Typical know it all beginner BS, I’m sure. There’s a good chance I’m wrong. I will also never know if I could have gained the exact same amount with a simple manual routine. Logically, I should ride out the beginner gains and take a more scientific approach. I may be dumping thousands of dollars into the toilet and limiting my long term potential.

Unfortunately, I’m not currently driven by logic. I’m driven by self disgust and an utter obsession to feel better about my own inadequacy. The irony is that increased size may not even fix this problem. Body dysmorphia, as you mentioned in your progress thread, could cause this self disgust to persist even after I’ve seen significant gains.

Regardless, this is where I am, for better or for worse. I do appreciate all your advice. I know that you are right. I mean no offense, but I plan to disregard your advice and proceed as a mad man.

In the end, I will get my gains.

Thanks again for your time and input. As always, I welcome any contribution you may have - positive or negative.


Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

I can only sigh. I have been where you are and you are entering the beginning of the “Dark Days” in your PE journey. The madness and obsession with more gains, faster, will dump thousands upon thousands of dollars down the drain. It’s why I have a sale thread with a bunch of gear (Blowout Sale: thoughtfulgold) and why I easily have over $12000 spent in the last 8.5 years on Penis Enhancement.

I have done all you plan on doing, and then some. All I can say…is you will get worse before you get better and until your disgust and desperation ebbs you will know no reason nor peace. I can grant you no peace and I can only showcase reason, not force it upon you. I hope that you don’t get hurt and I do hope that you find the light sooner than later, as the longer you run this gambit headlong the harder it is to find the light.

I didn’t even have advanced beginner theories to work on that had no basis. I just ran into the abyss with no safety line and with hopes and dreams of flying to my goals.

Be careful and good luck.

Originally Posted by lifestyle
Well, what can I say? You’re right. So I’ll just be direct.

My self disgust has me at a point where I’m going to do it anyway.

I believe I can do the following:

  • Potentiate beginner gains to gain more, not less, in the beginning
  • Minimize toughening so I don’t limit long term gains

Typical know it all beginner BS, I’m sure. There’s a good chance I’m wrong. I will also never know if I could have gained the exact same amount with a simple manual routine. Logically, I should ride out the beginner gains and take a more scientific approach. I may be dumping thousands of dollars into the toilet and limiting my long term potential.

Unfortunately, I’m not currently driven by logic. I’m driven by self disgust and an utter obsession to feel better about my own inadequacy. The irony is that increased size may not even fix this problem. Body dysmorphia, as you mentioned in your progress thread, could cause this self disgust to persist even after I’ve seen significant gains.

Regardless, this is where I am, for better or for worse. I do appreciate all your advice. I know that you are right. I mean no offense, but I plan to disregard your advice and proceed as a mad man.

In the end, I will get my gains.

Thanks again for your time and input. As always, I welcome any contribution you may have - positive or negative.


Now: 9.25" BPEL x 6.18" MSEG as of 8/9/2018 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My current PE4F pumping project and my balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *9* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
…and until your disgust and desperation ebbs you will know no reason nor peace.
Be careful and good luck.

Thanks. The good news is my self disgust is a bit more fleeting. With a cock ring I’m 5” in girth, which is dramatically larger than the 4.25” I started with. I genuinely believe I will soon get to the point where I’ve conquered the bulk of the self disgust, and I’m doing PE simply for the enjoyment and the gains. Wishful thinking, perhaps…


Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

Congrats on your gains, you must be very happy? What do you think helped most with your girth enlargement?

Originally Posted by j1s2tin
Congrats on your gains, you must be very happy? What do you think helped most with your girth enlargement?

Thanks!

First things first: I’ve only been doing PE for 101 days. There are plenty of users on Thunder’s who have a lot more experience and have gained quite a bit more. See my disclaimer then Big Gainer Highlights.

That said, I’m happy to share my experience.

  • I started at 4.25” girth. This was rock hard. I do not believe there were any EQ gains to be made.
  • I am now at a solid 4.5” girth.
  • I often measure as high as 4.75” girth, but some of this is temporary due to pumping, so I don’t consider it “official” cemented gains.
  • I’m 5” in a cock ring. I did not have a quality cock ring prior to starting PE, nor did I measure girth with a cock ring on. However, I’m fairly sure I would have been less than 4.5” with one on.

Here’s what I believe contributed the most to my girth gains:
  • Conditioning with a lighter routine so that I could handle more intense jelqing
  • Maintaining very high EQ during jelqing sessions
  • 20min/day “Perfect Jelqing” as described by braindrain here
  • After jelqing, a short 10min pumping session as a “force multiplier” to give a bit more expansion beyond what I achieved while jelqing.
  • A warm-down in the shower after every morning stretch/jelq/pump session, no exceptions.
  • Some sort of extension/expansion for the rest of the day afterward - either an extender, ADS, stealth, cock ring, etc.
However, as thoughtfulgold mentioned in a previous post in this thread, due to my approach to PE, it’s tough to accurately say what contributed to my gains. I make lots of changes, so there are too many variables to conclusively say what caused my girth gains.

Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
I wouldn’t increase duration if you’re seeing gains with this pattern of work and rest. Increasing duration will decrease rest and increase toughening factors compared to the gains you’ve seen already. I always suggest try not to fix what is working. It saves you time and money. This is not just a PE Word of Wisdom.

I realized I’m going to have to listen to you (and my body) as far as extender duration goes. Given the other PE I’m doing, 4-7 hours just feels right to me. 8-10 is pushing it a bit too far with the manual work & light pumping.

Out of curiosity, what kind of hours were you logging back in your extender days?


Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

Originally Posted by lifestyle
I realized I’m going to have to listen to you (and my body) as far as extender duration goes. Given the other PE I’m doing, 4-7 hours just feels right to me. 8-10 is pushing it a bit too far with the manual work & light pumping.

Out of curiosity, what kind of hours were you logging back in your extender days?

I did it in green here. Kept it simple. The Extender, looking back: Thoughts of a man once on the rack


Now: 9.25" BPEL x 6.18" MSEG as of 8/9/2018 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My current PE4F pumping project and my balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *9* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

” After jelqing, a short 10min pumping session as a “force multiplier” to give a bit more expansion beyond what I achieved while jelqing.
A warm-down in the shower after every morning stretch/jelq/pump session, no exceptions.”

1) In regards to the pumping you mentioned, would bathmate be alright to use?
2) Also, what do you mean by warm down?
3) How long does this routine take on average per day?

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by j1s2tin
1) In regards to the pumping you mentioned, would bathmate be alright to use?
2) Also, what do you mean by warm down?
3) How long does this routine take on average per day?

Thanks in advance!


  1. I have never used a bathmate, but I can give you my opinion.
    - I think they are very overpriced and mediocre waterpumps with no gauge. I wouldn’t use a pump without a gauge.
    - I think bathmates are only popular because of their extremely aggressive affiliate marketing program and the fact that people are making a ton of money whoring them out on forums.
    - It’s probably not a great idea to pump right after an intense jelqing session unless you’re conditioned for it. I push pretty hard, but I do a number of things that really help with recovery and EQ. Make sure you know your body well before trying this. As always, the beginners routine is a great starting point.
  2. Heat your unit after PE. Preferably wet heat. It helps prevent injury.
  3. It depends on what you mean my my routine.
    - About 1hr15min manual work in the morning.
    - 10min pumping in the afternoon
    - 10min pumping in the evening
    - 4-8 hours extender on average through the day
    - In an ADS or cock ring or ADS almost all the time when not doing manual work or wearing the extender
    - Nothing worn to bed. I think 10/10 EQ nocturnal erections are more important than using something for extension.
    - So to summarize, about 2 hours of “active” PE, including putting on and taking off the extender, ADS, etc. Then about 4-8 hours of extender and 10-14 hours of ADS or cock ring

Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

I respect guys like you. You seem much different from the typical newbie doing too much, because you know what you’re getting yourself into with the excess and appear to have a strong mindset.

You have courage and i’m rooting for you to pull it off.


Faith/ Persistence / patience/ courage/ letting go

Start 10/21/17 BPEL- 5.5 MSEG- 4.5

As of 10/30/18 BPEL- 6.875 MSEG- 4.875 This works. Faith in the Process

Originally Posted by Womb
I respect guys like you. You seem much different from the typical newbie doing too much, because you know what you’re getting yourself into with the excess and appear to have a strong mindset.

You have courage and i’m rooting for you to pull it off.

Thanks Womb. It’s just my personality type. I don’t do anything half way. Counterproductive or not, it is what it is. I will get my gains.

That said, if I’m able to gain at the same rate as you, I’ll be very happy.

Also, you should throw your stats in the PE database. There are a whole bunch of interesting threads by those who have done statistical analysis on the TP PE database.


Start 11/30/17: 5.94” BPEL, 4.25 MSEG - My Progress Report

Latest 11/21/18: 6.75" BPEL, 4.875" MSEG - My Progress Photos

“I have a vision. I have disposable income and time. I will reach my goals. It is inevitable. I will not stop otherwise.” - TG

One thing I found using the IR lamp I have is that it’s not only great for warmups but is essential for my warmdowns. I was getting a lot of small bruises and stuff and the IR lamp heals me almost completely every single time. 15 minutes with firegoat rolls spread out will heal any small injury in my experience. Or if you have something, going back to the lamp for just heating/recovery works great as well.

I’m interested in learning more about the DMSO topical solution. I haven’t really read the thread in the injuries section yet.

Off topic but a supplement that I stand buy 100% and everyone should have if weightlifting is Health Directs AminoSculpt. It’s 100% Type 1 collagen Protein.

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