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Gentlepsycopath's road to 8 inches

Originally Posted by srep
Good to see you are still active. Your journey is an inspiration for me. I have been lurking and reading your posts and your recommendations. We have also had some guide discussion in the Greek thread.

I have started PE (again) with manual stretching for 3 weeks already. I have also read the thread “Tips and Tricks for manual stretching”. Now I had a vacation break as well.

I may come back to ask for your help on some questions regarding my technique and routine.

I am not in a hurry, but I really need to see the first PE gains/results on my penis, which I can assume can feel very exciting and motivating to continue.

I am really happy to hear that and thank you for your kind words. Dont wait and ask whatever you want about your routine.

It is really very exciting to see gains and i am addicted to this feeling. But the most important thing is to BE PATIENT! Everyone in the greek forum is in hurry for gains. I see PE as a life commitment. Pick one method for example manual stretching and really stick with it. It may sounds simple but as the time goes by you will see a dramatic improvement in your technique.

Dont worry about supplements, different methods etc. Be consistent and give your body time to repair the micro-damages. All you need to increase your penis size is to enlarge the tunica albuginea. Tunica is a living tissue and an appreciable elongation is a result of adaption, you have to think in terms of years of commitment.


Last edited by Gentlepsychopath : 08-20-2018 at .

Thanks for the reply and the information. I appreciate your willingness to help.

For 3 weeks now I have been doing manual stretching, using the V grip.

- 5 mins heating with IR (I think it is the most comfortable way to heat without messing with hot water or anything else)
- 2 sets of 3 minutes downward stretching. I do one set with left hand and one set with right hand.
- 2 sets of 3 minutes left and right
- 5 mins heating with IR (again)
- 2 sets of 3 minutes of downward stretching (again)

Total time 18 mins of stretching.

I am not yet sure about the amount of force I should apply. No matter how strong I do it, I do not feel too much of a difference on the stretched penis. However, when I push strong, I do feel discomfort and very small pain under the glans, which can be there the whole day, but usually gone by the morning. In general I try not to stretch with too much force, but sometime I try to add a bit of it.

Also, I am not sure if I even do those stretches correctly. I am sitting on a couch. For downward stretches, I have to put my hand under my thigh and sometimes I use my thigh for extra force (which means that my hand is not tired at all). I use the V grip and the palm is looking towards the floor. Also, those are not purse downwards stretches, because there is some slight angle either to the left or to the right, based on the hand I am using. Do you think this is a correct technique?

When I stretch left or right, I usually have to use my other hand in order to sustain the grip.

After the first sets, my penis becomes extremely flaccid, which can make the consequent grips more difficult. I use a toilet paper to assist the grip.

Finally, I am also doing some light piss pulls. Not something special, just 1 minute total of stretching, usually down-left and down right. During piss pulls, I can feel the upper side of the penis (tunica) being stretched, from top to the shaft (I do not have this stretching feeling when I do them while sitting on the couch). Does that make sense?

Sorry for the long post, this is what I am doing.

Any feedback is highly appreciated. Any comments about the technique and the duration?

Thanks.


Start 05/09/2017: BPEL 6.1'', NBPEL 5.5'' (at best) , EG 5.1''

Goal: BPEL 7'', NBEL: 6''+ , EG whatever

Originally Posted by srep
Any feedback is highly appreciated. Any comments about the technique and the duration?

Thanks.

You should do SD stretches standing up. Also double their total duration. Do 4x3min sets, each set with as less changes as possible (eg. 45sec + 5sec to release the grip and ‘defatigue’ the hand + repeat) and add one set each week.

If 100% is the maximum force you feel you can apply, stay at about 50-60%. In my experience the hard part is that a long duration grip hurts your hand.

The piss pulls imo are irrelevant. The goal is to be able to adhere to a rigor routine for the long term.

I’m not sure if the second heating makes any difference. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t, if it’s a part of your routine let it be!


6,3 x 5 (7 Sep 2017)

Day 1 -> Present Time: And this is how it starts

Originally Posted by srep
Thanks for the reply and the information. I appreciate your willingness to help.

For 3 weeks now I have been doing manual stretching, using the V grip.

- 5 mins heating with IR (I think it is the most comfortable way to heat without messing with hot water or anything else)
- 2 sets of 3 minutes downward stretching. I do one set with left hand and one set with right hand.
- 2 sets of 3 minutes left and right
- 5 mins heating with IR (again)
- 2 sets of 3 minutes of downward stretching (again)

Total time 18 mins of stretching.

I am not yet sure about the amount of force I should apply. No matter how strong I do it, I do not feel too much of a difference on the stretched penis. However, when I push strong, I do feel discomfort and very small pain under the glans, which can be there the whole day, but usually gone by the morning. In general I try not to stretch with too much force, but sometime I try to add a bit of it.

Also, I am not sure if I even do those stretches correctly. I am sitting on a couch. For downward stretches, I have to put my hand under my thigh and sometimes I use my thigh for extra force (which means that my hand is not tired at all). I use the V grip and the palm is looking towards the floor. Also, those are not purse downwards stretches, because there is some slight angle either to the left or to the right, based on the hand I am using. Do you think this is a correct technique?

When I stretch left or right, I usually have to use my other hand in order to sustain the grip.

After the first sets, my penis becomes extremely flaccid, which can make the consequent grips more difficult. I use a toilet paper to assist the grip.

Finally, I am also doing some light piss pulls. Not something special, just 1 minute total of stretching, usually down-left and down right. During piss pulls, I can feel the upper side of the penis (tunica) being stretched, from top to the shaft (I do not have this stretching feeling when I do them while sitting on the couch). Does that make sense?

Sorry for the long post, this is what I am doing.

Any feedback is highly appreciated. Any comments about the technique and the duration?

Thanks.

Your routine is fine. 3 mins is a very good duration. Your technique is good too. I use my left hand to support my grip every time, it really helps a lot to not fatigue your gripping hand.

Alex is right: i have noticed that when i am standing, pushing my abdomen back and bend my knees a little the stretch is very efficient.
But sometimes i perform my downward stretches sitting down. It doesnt really matter so much, the point is to keep your penis stretched.

Dont worry about the force. Again the most important thing is TIME: For how long your penis is under stretch? (Total time)
You are not supposed to feel something special while stretching, the stretching feeling itself is enough. “The more force=more gains” mentality is proven wrong, especially if you are in your first year of PE.

I use toilet paper too, it is the best for the grip. Try to not squezze your glans too much and try to gently “push” at the stretch direction or just hold the stretch. Its good to be total flaccid, the most efficient stretch happens when you are total flaccid.

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Alex, your threads are also a good inspiration for me, I am following your journey. I hope you will have good results with hanging. By the way how did you decide to stop manuals? Do you think that you cannot gain more with them?

From my side, I think I will stick with the total time of 18 mins until end of September. I do not think my penis can handle more at the moment. My penis feels “tired” after stretching and it also turtles a lot. Or do you guys think this is sign of over-training? I understand how you advice to take it easy, but I want to avoid the case of stretching for nothing so I can assume that some not too strong but still “good” force should be applied.

I also do not want to measure often. Actually, the last time I measured as shown in my signature is from last year. On the other hand, at the beginning, measuring is essential in order to check if you have any gains. After convincing myself that gains are real, the measurement anxiety can go away. For me, I think a good time to measure again is end of September after having consistent 2 months stretching with the above routine. Does that make sense, or is it too early?

I have measured my BPFSL a few times lately, which is something between 16 - 16.5 cm. Do you guys measure BPFSL after a stretching session? I think this would always give higher measurement, right?

Thanks!


Start 05/09/2017: BPEL 6.1'', NBPEL 5.5'' (at best) , EG 5.1''

Goal: BPEL 7'', NBEL: 6''+ , EG whatever

Originally Posted by srep
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Alex, your threads are also a good inspiration for me, I am following your journey. I hope you will have good results with hanging. By the way how did you decide to stop manuals? Do you think that you cannot gain more with them?

i stopped because of life responsibilities, it didn’t have to do with PE, but i had gotten to a point that it was very tiring to do them. i spent about an hour per session and my hands hurt a lot from the constant pressure. i tried to attach an elastic rubber and to hang but man, it is very complicated. what i do now is that i ‘grab’ the penis with the wooden device i made, and just stretch that with my hands. this way i do not have to apply ny pressure to secure the penis from slipping which is the hard part. it’s actually really long duration (20min) stretches. VERY comfortable and the skin is not stretched at all. judging from gentle’s results i think a 4x20min + 1x20min routine per day could give me about +2-3cm in the next 1-2 years which is my length goal, ΕΙΔΙΚΑ εαν χωσω και fulcrums μεσα αργοτερα (ε γαμω τη γλωσσα τους δεν αντεξαλολ).

Turtling is normal. Pro tip: after you finish the stretching session, do a few jelqs or just edge (masturbate but dont finish). it’s good for the penis to have blood in it after the session in order to heal better (growth happens during healing). αυτο ειναι κοινως αποδεκτο απ’το community.

imo doesn’t matter if you measure or not as long as you dont cheat your program. just stick with it. you’ll see that as time goes by you won’t even care to measure, you’ll be too bored to do it.

BPFSL imo is the most useless stat even though some say its a great indicator of BPEL growth to come. personally i dont even know what my starting number was.

@gentle the SO angle stretches the skin much less compared to SD. eg when you stretch left, the right part of the skin will be more stretched then the left. when you stretch SO all sides will be stretched equally less the the right part of the left stretch and more than the left part of the left stretch. isn’t the SD supposed to be the king though? do you think at least one of my sets should be SD or eeeh doesn’t really matter?


6,3 x 5 (7 Sep 2017)

Day 1 -> Present Time: And this is how it starts

Originally Posted by srep
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Alex, your threads are also a good inspiration for me, I am following your journey. I hope you will have good results with hanging. By the way how did you decide to stop manuals? Do you think that you cannot gain more with them?

From my side, I think I will stick with the total time of 18 mins until end of September. I do not think my penis can handle more at the moment. My penis feels “tired” after stretching and it also turtles a lot. Or do you guys think this is sign of over-training? I understand how you advice to take it easy, but I want to avoid the case of stretching for nothing so I can assume that some not too strong but still “good” force should be applied.

I also do not want to measure often. Actually, the last time I measured as shown in my signature is from last year. On the other hand, at the beginning, measuring is essential in order to check if you have any gains. After convincing myself that gains are real, the measurement anxiety can go away. For me, I think a good time to measure again is end of September after having consistent 2 months stretching with the above routine. Does that make sense, or is it too early?

I have measured my BPFSL a few times lately, which is something between 16 - 16.5 cm. Do you guys measure BPFSL after a stretching session? I think this would always give higher measurement, right?

Thanks!

If you feel that you cant handle more stick with the 18 mins stretching time. Its all good.

Turtling is a protective reaction of your body. Is a sigh that you have produced micro-tears, its good. After that you need rest.

Measure BPFSL is very convenient and consistent. Bpel can vary and you need 100% EQ to see if you have gained. I measure BPFSL often. Its not always give higher measurement after stretching, but when it does its sure a good indicator.

Originally Posted by alexsub0
i stopped because of life responsibilities, it didn’t have to do with PE, but i had gotten to a point that it was very tiring to do them. i spent about an hour per session and my hands hurt a lot from the constant pressure. i tried to attach an elastic rubber and to hang but man, it is very complicated. what i do now is that i ‘grab’ the penis with the wooden device i made, and just stretch that with my hands. this way i do not have to apply ny pressure to secure the penis from slipping which is the hard part. it’s actually really long duration (20min) stretches. VERY comfortable and the skin is not stretched at all. judging from gentle’s results i think a 4x20min + 1x20min routine per day could give me about +2-3cm in the next 1-2 years which is my length goal, ΕΙΔΙΚΑ εαν χωσω και fulcrums μεσα αργοτερα (ε γαμω τη γλωσσα τους δεν αντεξαλολ).

Turtling is normal. Pro tip: after you finish the stretching session, do a few jelqs or just edge (masturbate but dont finish). it’s good for the penis to have blood in it after the session in order to heal better (growth happens during healing). αυτο ειναι κοινως αποδεκτο απ’το community.

imo doesn’t matter if you measure or not as long as you dont cheat your program. just stick with it. you’ll see that as time goes by you won’t even care to measure, you’ll be too bored to do it.

BPFSL imo is the most useless stat even though some say its a great indicator of BPEL growth to come. personally i dont even know what my starting number was.

@gentle the SO angle stretches the skin much less compared to SD. eg when you stretch left, the right part of the skin will be more stretched then the left. when you stretch SO all sides will be stretched equally less the the right part of the left stretch and more than the left part of the left stretch. isn’t the SD supposed to be the king though? do you think at least one of my sets should be SD or eeeh doesn’t really matter?

My personal opinion is that the SD stretch is more effective. Only when stretching downward i can feel the maximum tension. It may stretches the skin more but it doesnt matter if your technique is ok(if you are not gripping the skin).
Yes i believe that you should SD.

Still gaining. I am now 7.8 bpel, very close to 8. I believe that i have gained a little girth too.

Hello Balkan friend,

I’m doing PE for about 2 years. In my first month, I have gained 0.5 inches in BPEL from JP90. After the first month I was scared to pull hard like before because I got an injury from jelqing and my gains stopped. After that I tried different things, but without any success, maybe due to inconsistency. Few months ago I tried the swim cap extending method and it has produced gains. After 400h x1kg I have gained around 0.4 inches in BPEL, but now I’m thinking to add manual exercises to my routine.Currently, I’m extending with 2kg force, but I’m not sure how much pressure to apply while doing manual exercises. So do you have any idea how hard to pull?

Originally Posted by 918pdk
Hello Balkan friend,

I’m doing PE for about 2 years. In my first month, I have gained 0.5 inches in BPEL from JP90. After the first month I was scared to pull hard like before because I got an injury from jelqing and my gains stopped. After that I tried different things, but without any success, maybe due to inconsistency. Few months ago I tried the swim cap extending method and it has produced gains. After 400h x1kg I have gained around 0.4 inches in BPEL, but now I’m thinking to add manual exercises to my routine.Currently, I’m extending with 2kg force, but I’m not sure how much pressure to apply while doing manual exercises. So do you have any idea how hard to pull?

Hello my friend. I love Serbia, i meet a lot of serbian people every summer here in Greece.

What injury you got from jelqing?

I am not exactly sure of how much force i apply when stretching. Generally i dont pull hard and i like longer sets. During a long set sometimes i pull harder, sometimes i just hold. I use the force of my bodyweight too by changing by body position(lean in or push my abdomen back).
From what i know i think that the stretch should be between 5-15 lbs.

Most people use the extender after the heavier method(usually hanging) to heal in extended state.
Thats not so effective i suppose because the penis will never heal in a shorter state, this happens only when scar tissue has produced. The body will heal the micro-tears either way.

The best approach is to stretch after the extender. Thats because with the prolonged low tension stretch from the extender the penis lose elasticity and then it is less resistant and more easy to produce micro-tears.

A good strategy is to use the extender for 3 weeks for example and then one week of manual stretching. Or every day after the extender, stretch for some mins 15-20 at first, but care not to overtrain.


Last edited by Gentlepsychopath : 10-01-2018 at .

I have same words for Greeks :)

I got black/purple spots on my glans and shaft. It looked very serious, but It went away after 3 days. I didn’t had pain or any other problem except those black/purple spots. I gained 0.2” in MSEG for one month, but after that I stopped with jelqing. Recently I have started with ulis and I went from 4.6” to 5” in MSEG. Kegels are very important for girth from my experience because they allow you to pump more blood.

I will try to pull with 3kg of force, but it’s very hard to know how hard I’m pulling, maybe shopping bag around my wirst can help me to determine that. Also I think I could get some easy gains from SD stretching because I’m not hitting my ligs with extender.

Have you lowered your erection angle from downwards stretches?


Start September 2016: 6.2" x 4.6"

Current: 7.1" x 5"

Originally Posted by 918pdk
I have same words for Greeks :)

I got black/purple spots on my glans and shaft. It looked very serious, but It went away after 3 days. I didn’t had pain or any other problem except those black/purple spots. I gained 0.2” in MSEG for one month, but after that I stopped with jelqing. Recently I have started with ulis and I went from 4.6” to 5” in MSEG. Kegels are very important for girth from my experience because they allow you to pump more blood.

I will try to pull with 3kg of force, but it’s very hard to know how hard I’m pulling, maybe shopping bag around my wirst can help me to determine that. Also I think I could get some easy gains from SD stretching because I’m not hitting my ligs with extender.

Have you lowered your erection angle from downwards stretches?

Purple spots on the glans its not an injury exactly, but it means that you apply too much pressure.

I believe that if length is your main goal its not good to do heavy girth routines, but thats my personal opinion.

Anyway about stretching you should try to keep your penis at a good stretched state, this does not reguire high force. As a general rule dont sacrifice duration for intensity.

No my erection angle is the same. Downward stretching is very important not because it target the ligs, but because the tension is transfered to the whole penis in a more effective way.

Originally Posted by Gentlepsychopath
Purple spots on the glans its not an injury exactly, but it means that you apply too much pressure.

I believe that if length is your main goal its not good to do heavy girth routines, but thats my personal opinion.

Anyway about stretching you should try to keep your penis at a good stretched state, this does not reguire high force. As a general rule dont sacrifice duration for intensity.

No my erection angle is the same. Downward stretching is very important not because it target the ligs, but because the tension is transfered to the whole penis in a more effective way.

Every time I stretch my glans gets purple, but that color disappears in a few seconds. On the other hand, these spots lasted for 3 days so It’s more serious whatever it is.

I don’t plan to gain more girth until I hit 7.7”, but once I hit I must Increase girth, the last thing I want is to end up with pencil penis. Partly I do girth exercises due to good feeling and pleasure to see how small change like +0.3” in MSEG can create totally different or better to say bigger penis.

What’s your aim for girth? I have no idea for mine, 5.5” or maybe 5.75”, but adding more will create problems for girls which can’t be solved easily like the length problems.

From my experience you have to use at least 1 or 1.5kg for extending, last year I tried extending 100h x 800g with the same swim cap without any results. This year I added more weight and gains started again finally.


Start September 2016: 6.2" x 4.6"

Current: 7.1" x 5"

Originally Posted by Gentlepsychopath
Still gaining. I am now 7.8 bpel, very close to 8. I believe that i have gained a little girth too.

What’s your NBPEL?


|||||Start: 14cm NBPEL|||||Now: 17,5cm NBPEL|||||Goal: 20cm NBPEL||||

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