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Originally Posted by waterman888
OK so when you say that the actual deformation stage is very short, I think here you refer to when you’re very hard and near the PONR. In my experience I think I know what feeling this equates to, probably like just before I got that bleeding before, where it felt like a real overpressurised internal lateral stretch. Difference with me is that I wasn’t near PONR and got to this stage too rapidly… So perhaps I can change that where I’d build up to it, which would include some warm up and getting myself nearer blowing, which would need time, time which would be needed to prep for the crazy phase.


Crazy phase, that’s funny :) .

Well, like I said, the concurrence of the almost PONR condition and maximum compression (and maximum clamp) is ideal…but not neccessary. I always end my session that way, meaning my second or third round of each session, but the first (and second, if I’m doing three rounds) typically is done nowhere near PONR conditions. Hope that clarifies. Main point is that it’s not necessary to do the maneuvers under PONR conditions, but it is beneficial in terms of expansion of the CCs and CS, so hypothetically, it’s beneficial for the purpose of achieving deformation of those tissues…which is, of course, no less than the raison d’être for doing the maneuver.

Originally Posted by waterman888
If it’s like that, then it indicates that the rest of the clamp time is in fact not all at a very high intensity?


Right.

Originally Posted by waterman888
Rather the build up clamp phase occurs at moderate to high intensity where there is a pressure build up but slower?


Right.

Originally Posted by waterman888
And that the final part of the last clamp session needs to be the most intense?


Right. Although the last compression and the last clamp of each round should be intense as well…those few seconds of maximum compression and maximum clamp are analogous to the few seconds of high vacuum in PeForFun pumping.

Originally Posted by waterman888
Re the supplements, haven’t heard of those but will look it up. Any links or leads you have?


Nothing that’s any more informative than a simple Google search will yield. They’re supposed to aid in cellular hyperplasia (replication and proliferation) of endothelial cells; something that is essential for achieving the goal of IPR based PE, cellular replication and proliferation of the vascular tissue of the CCs and CS. Here are a few relevant quotes from this article: Blood Vessels and Endothelial Cells - Molecular Biology of the Cell - NCBI Bookshelf that make the importance of endothelial cells clear:

"Endothelial cells have a remarkable capacity to adjust their number and arrangement to suit local requirements. They create an adaptable life-support system, extending by cell migration into almost every region of the body. If it were not for endothelial cells extending and remodeling the network of blood vessels, tissue growth and repair would be impossible."

And from the Summary of the Article:

"Endothelial cells form a single cell layer that lines all blood vessels and regulates exchanges between the bloodstream and the surrounding tissues. Signals from endothelial cells organize the growth and development of connective tissue cells that form the surrounding layers of the blood-vessel wall. New blood vessels can develop from the walls of existing small vessels by the outgrowth of endothelial cells, which have the capacity to form hollow capillary tubes even when isolated in culture. Endothelial cells of developing arteries and veins express different cell-surface proteins, which may control the way in which they link up to create a capillary bed."

Pretty important.

Also…whoops, I did it again…gained another 0.125" in EG…now at 6.75"…for the second time actually, but I can tell that it’s solid this time.

Off to update my siggy :)

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith

Also…whoops, I did it again…gained another 0.125” in EG…now at 6.75”…

Congrats on the continued gains. I can’t thank you enough for all you have shared Xeno. I’m a few weeks into my pre IPR break and feel great. It has done wonders for my state of mind and approach to PE as I was constantly looking for opportunities to do something PE related, it had consumed me and the thought of a break scared me. Not only am I feeling more relaxed but I have popped up .125” in girth which I am very happy about. Looking forward to the rest of the break and then into the first phase. Again, many thanks.

Thanks…and right back atcha RR360! That delayed girth gain in the R-Phase is a real treat when it shows up…happy you got one too :)

You know, as with all things, there are ways to work harder and there are ways to work smarter. One may correctly conclude that I’m lazy, but not lazy enough to not share what I’ve learned.

Totally understand your trepidation about going on an extended break. Remember it well; seemed that doing something HAD to be better than doing nothing. Then I thought about what I was trying to accomplish, and more to the point, I thought about what mechanism it was that I would seek to employ to achieve that accomplishment; the inflammation/proliferation/rest model of tissue hyperplasia post-injury seemed like the obvious mechanism to seek to invoke in my body for PE purposes. And the critical nature of the requirement for resting of tissues was obvious…hyperplasia, which may correctly be thought of as “healing in a new configuration” is interrupted by introducing additional inflammation. One need to let those cells endothelial cells replicate. Sometimes girth shows up when we do…

Well, as obvious as all that was to me, gaining with reliable consistency in each new IPR cycle REALLY helped to solidify my understanding of the utility of complete rest breaks. Hope your experience is similarly corroborative of the utility of the IPR method in making penile tissue. For me, gaining that understanding was like going from being a fish flopping around on the beach, hoping to flop into the water…to going to a fish IN THE WATER, who knows which way to swim…and when to rest.

Best wishes for similar for you.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Hey Xenolith,

Impressive lifetime achievement you got there. I tried to search for IPR and couldn’t find too much of a description of it, rather debates of whether or not it works. I believe you were mentioned as the origin of the theory, could you possibly highlight the main points of each stage such that we could all benefit from your wisdom? If it’s somewhere in this thread, I’m sorry, it’s quite difficult to search through so many pages, plus you may have additional insights after such a long time of PE. Thank you and keep up the good stuff!


February '16: 173 mm BPEL (6.81") 132 mm MEG (5.20")

November '18: 190 mm BPEL (7.48") 137 mm MEG (5.39")

Goal: A sustained 7.7" by 5.8" during intercourse

Originally Posted by CrusherBrooks
Hey Xenolith,
Impressive lifetime achievement you got there. I tried to search for IPR and couldn’t find too much of a description of it, rather debates of whether or not it works. I believe you were mentioned as the origin of the theory, could you possibly highlight the main points of each stage such that we could all benefit from your wisdom? If it’s somewhere in this thread, I’m sorry, it’s quite difficult to search through so many pages, plus you may have additional insights after such a long time of PE. Thank you and keep up the good stuff!


Well that’s gonna run into my laziness :) Kidding; and thanks for the kind words CB, but really Shiver pioneered the IPR concept and MX and I tried it in various forms along with Shiver. I did end up tuning the concept to my physiological response, as originally we had no idea what amount of work and what amount of rest would be optimal…and happened to write it down (in oodles of places in this thread and elsewhere on the Forum)…so I erroneously get attributed as the originator of the IPR concept in PE; no it was Shiver; I just developed it to work for me. Those who’ve kept up with this thread know that I continue to tinker with the formula that’s best (where best = minimum work, minimum rest, maximum gains) for my physiology. To summarize that tinkering, I’ve progressively iterated toward less, albeit more intense, I-Phase and more R-Phase.

But to your question: an excellent summary of the IPR concept as applied to PE has been provided by BeardedDragon in this thread: /progress-repor ts-and-pictures … ml#post2214971; copied here as I’m sure my friend BD would approve of my sharing his understanding:

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
IPR theory was an idea for the medical basis of PE growth that was batted around here back in 2006-2008. A couple dozen guys tried it for 6 months to 1 year, as a way of getting post-newbie gains after they plateau’d. There were mixed results, but I decided to give it a try because xenolith was one of those guys, and he kept using the theory for ~8 years and kept gaining the whole time. So I found out about it when studying the big gainers.

It’s based on the body’s wound healing response, which occurs every time a blood vessel is broken, no matter how small it is or whether the skin is broken open. Medical science has studied this response in great detail, primarily in regards to severe open wounds, stitched wounds, surgical incisions, etc.

Wikipedia’s entry on Wound Healing is a good source of info.
Wound healing - Wikipedia

I also found this link helpful, an excerpt from a book on wound healing for neural implants, which also addresses non-neural tissue.
Overview of Wound Healing in Different Tissue Types - Indwelling Neural Implants - NCBI Bookshelf

There are three overlapping, and simplified phases.

I-phase, for Injury and Inflammation, begins within seconds of the wound, and lasts about two weeks. During I-phase, a blood clot closes the wound, and white blood cells clean out the wound while also stimulating the P-phase repair of the wound.

In terms of PE, there are two takeaways. One is that we need to first do enough damage (use sufficient force) to initiate the wound healing process, without doing so much damage as to cause a true injury. And two is that the I-phase should not last so long as to disrupt the healing process with chronic inflammation.

P-phase, or Proliferative phase, begins 2-3 days after the wound, overlapping with the I-phase, and is marked by the first arrival of fibroblasts. They are the cells that create collagen, connective tissue. As the wound gets more and more cleaned out, the white blood cells secrete growth factors that cause healthy surrounding connective tissue to migrate and proliferate across the blood clot. Fibroblasts lay down a lattice of new type III collagen that forms the basis of a new extra-cellular matrix. Simultaneously with this process, creation of new blood vessels is occurring as capillaries sprout into the new extra-cellular matrix (ECM) from the surrounding healthy blood vessels. The whole phase is called proliferative, because the healthy tissue around the wound site is proliferating into the wound clot. Hour by hour these processes are working from the outer edges of the wound toward the center, until there is an entire new base extra-cellular matrix of collagen and capillaries. Throughout the P-phase, wound contraction is occurring, beginning at about the 5-day mark. The clot that plugged the wound is much larger than the actual healthy tissue was, and as the new ECM is formed some of the new collagen is degraded and the remaining collagen is pulled together by the fibroblasts. This process lasts up to 4 weeks after the wound.

In terms of PE, there are again two takeaways. One, we want to hold the tissues in the elongated or enlarged state to allow for the creation of the new collagen and ECM while minimizing the contraction. And two, we want to do this without re-injuring the tissue. So, a gentle ADS is the proposed strategy in P-phase.

R-phase is for Remodeling, or sometimes Rest (sometimes called Maturation phase in medical discussions). R-phase is marked by the replacement of type III collagen by type I collagen. The original new ECM across the clot is type III collagen, and it is loose, and has no alignment. The P-phase production of new collagen doesn’t care about the alignment or density of the collagen, it simply wants to fill the wound in all directions. In R-phase, that collagen is remodeled. Connective tissue is strong because of its alignment. Collagen fibers work together in axial alignments, all facing in the same direction. During R-phase, contraction has stopped, but these collagen fibers are slowly being remodeled, increasing the integrity of the healed wound. Technically this phase can begin as soon as the P-phase collagen is laid down, at about the 3 day mark. But the R-phase is a very slow process, and continues up to 1-2 years after the wound, so most of the work is done after the contraction of the wound is complete.

For PE, the takeaway is the decon break. We have to allow enough time for type I collagen to form throughout the wound, and for the collagen to realign itself. It cements any gains, while simultaneously increasing the integrity of the new tissue to the point where we can repeat the IPR process on the new healthy tissue. If we don’t give the R-phase enough time, we’re simply re-wounding type-I collagen which will eventually contract back into its old size, and possibly worse result in a chronic wounding of the tissue.

One more factor is the entire wound healing process scales over time depending on the severity and location of the wound. With a severe wound to the bottom of the foot, the place on the body with the worst circulation, the entire process can take up to 5 years. A severe wound on the trunk of the body takes only 1-2 years. In PE, we are intentionally not going the point of a severe wound, and so the process is much shorter. Xeno’s observations led him to an optimal cycle of 3-6 months, with the bulk of that being R-phase. I did a 2 month cycle last time, and this time it will be a 3 month.

That was a long answer to the short question, but that’s about it. IPR is basically a phased protocol for cyclical PE and decon breaks. While the medical observation of wound healing is a known and proven occurrence, its application to PE is only a theory.

I certainly encourage all on this Forum to consider utilizing the IPR concept in their PE endeavors. It has certainly proven it’s utility to me.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Loving this discussion and interest in IPR.

Cram all your PE into a few weeks, go nuts on it, and then take a few weeks to a few months off. Enjoy a balanced life, a healthy dick, and (probably) get the same gains rate anyway.

Congrats on your gains xenolith!


Before 5.5" x 4.1" ///////// Now 7.4" x 4.9"

Thanks BD; nice to see you knocking about.

Really digging your “Jackie’s mean caucasian induced Dude floatin’ down the bowling lane admiring vag” avatar.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

~~yeah yeah oh-oh yeah what condition my condition is in~~


Before 5.5" x 4.1" ///////// Now 7.4" x 4.9"

So praise goes to Shiver an unsung hero of PE! So if I understand it correctly an IPR cycle consists of a shortish period of medium to high intensity PE (manuals, clamping, hanging, pumping etc), followed by a medium period of extender work (such as ADS) and then a longer break/decon period.

So an IPR cycle might consist of, for example, (I-phase) 1 month of 2 on 1 off manuals with pumping, then (P-phase) 1 month of 5 hours per day 6 days per week extender, end with (R-phase) 2 months of rest, repeat. Is that correct? What would the P phase look like for girth work… Edging a lot?

I’ve read a few times (and experienced it myself) that newbies cannot stretch their flaccid out very far when they start out. After a month or so the FSL is roughly equal to the EL. Could that be related to the deposition of type 3 collagen which is now able to be oriented (through stretching)? That was the first thing that came to mind.

You should make a thread with two example cycles or so, for people like me who are a little lost after the newbie routine loses its effect. If that doesn’t cut into your lazy time, of course (:


February '16: 173 mm BPEL (6.81") 132 mm MEG (5.20")

November '18: 190 mm BPEL (7.48") 137 mm MEG (5.39")

Goal: A sustained 7.7" by 5.8" during intercourse

Here you go:

Originally Posted by xenolith
Newbie: (1 day on/2 days off, 3-6 weeks on/1-3 months off)

IPR based jelqing:
1. jelqing (wet; with olive oil, really it’s the best for this purpose), starting with whatever seems right; for most guys, I would think that would be from 20 - 50 or so. Use a multiplier of (1.1) x (# of jelqs from previous session) to calculate the # of jelqs for the next session.
2. done at a frequency of 1 day on/2 days off (i.e. 1 session) for cycles of from 2 - 6 weeks (depending on Physiological Indicators (PIs))
3. rest period of 1 to 3 months between cycles (depending on Physiological Indicators (PIs)…and your ability to resist re-starting the next cycle prematurely)

IPR based downward stretches:
1. starting with whatever seems right; for most guys, I would think that would be from 10 -30 or so. Duration from 10-15 seconds or so. Use a multiplier of (1.1) x (# of stretches from previous session) to calculate the # of stretches for the next session.

• Cock Coil use:
1. one CC over two Hair Tie Wraps (HTW); for whatever configurations of time you can manage. A little is much better than none; a lot isn’t much better than a little.
2. OK to use during the 1-3 month duration breaks between cycles (macro-R phase for IPR affianados), essentially making it macro-R phase for soft tissue only; for ligaments, it’s always macro-P phase.

Next up: Advanced

xeno

Originally Posted by xenolith
Advanced: (1 day on/2 days off, 3-6 weeks on/1-3 months off; 6 months—>several years)
1. Stretches:
• Bucking Bronco every morning
• Sumo Stretches throughout the day
2. IPR based jelqing:
1. jelqing (wet; with olive oil), I would think that most guys would be at from 200 - 500 or so by this phase of their PE career.
2. done at a frequency of 1 day on/2 days off (i.e. 1 session) for cycles of from 2 - 6 weeks (depending on Physiological Indicators (PIs)); rest period of 1 to 3 months between cycles (depending on PIs).
3. IPR based hanging:
1. Use a work multiplier of (1.1) x (lbs. x time) from previous session to calculate work (lbs. x time) for the next session. Use SD, BTC and Swami positions.
4. Cock Coil use:
1. one CC over two Hair Tie Wraps (HTW); for whatever configurations of time you can manage. A little is much better than none; a lot isn’t much better than a little.
5. Soft Tissue Work:
Any combination of: Clamped squeezes, Ulis, Horse 440s, Cable Clamp Cock Coffin (CCCC) style clamping, Pumping, etc. Also done IPR style, still 1 day on/2 days off, 3-6 weeks on/1-3 months off, but also seeking to increase “intensity” of succeeding sessions. Think of intensity in the same way as rainfall intensity, the product of the amount of rainfall times the duration of it’s falling…so with girth work, increase the amount of stress applied and the duration of it’s application. The 1.1:1 multiplier may or may not be particularly useful with soft tissue work.

xeno

Next up: Ninja.

xeno

Originally Posted by xenolith
Ninja: (1 day on/2 days off, 3-6 weeks on/1-3 months off; several years—>rest of one’s Life)
1. Stretches:
• Bucking Bronco every morning
• Sumo Stretches throughout the day
2. Cock Coil use:
1. one CC over two Hair Tie Wraps (HTW); for whatever configurations of time you can manage. A little is much better than none; a lot isn’t much better than a little.
3. Soft Tissue Work:
Cable Clamp Cock Coffin (CCCC) style clamping mixed with use of Tiger trap (TT) and Tunica Tenderizer (TTr); followed by PEforFun (PEFF) style (high vacuum/short duration) Pumping. Also done IPR style with increasing “intensity” as described in the Advanced discussion of Soft Tissue Work.

I’ve had good results with one cycle of this; quite a bit longer a cycle than I’m used to, 4 months. Over that time I gained ~3 cubic inches, most EL from suspensory apparatus modifications achieved through the BB and SS stretches and CC use.

xeno

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by BeardedDragon
~~yeah yeah oh-oh yeah what condition my condition is in~~


Thanks for checkin’ in ;)

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Here you go:

*Tons of info in prior post*

xeno



This paints a very clear picture of exactly how the IPR schedule works. Man, I love this. Makes my basic Scheduled Trauma theory look like kiddie handwriting *chuckles* However, with that said it’s the product of a lot of research over a long time and with the actual wound mechanism of the human body as its base.

Much respect and appreciation, xeno.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Whoa, thanks Xeno! :D

I hope I wasn’t too annoying with my questions. This seems very useful especially if you want to go stealth (lots of rest gives you room to maneuver). I’ve copied the text in a word file so I don’t have to look for it again. May try it in a few months! I was going to try Memento’s method first, so with an IPR cyle or two after that I should be set for 2017.


February '16: 173 mm BPEL (6.81") 132 mm MEG (5.20")

November '18: 190 mm BPEL (7.48") 137 mm MEG (5.39")

Goal: A sustained 7.7" by 5.8" during intercourse

Originally Posted by xenolith
Thanks…and right back atcha RR360! That delayed girth gain in the R-Phase is a real treat when it shows up…happy you got one too :)

You know, as with all things, there are ways to work harder and there are ways to work smarter. One may correctly conclude that I’m lazy, but not lazy enough to not share what I’ve learned.

Totally understand your trepidation about going on an extended break. Remember it well; seemed that doing something HAD to be better than doing nothing. Then I thought about what I was trying to accomplish, and more to the point, I thought about what mechanism it was that I would seek to employ to achieve that accomplishment; the inflammation/proliferation/rest model of tissue hyperplasia post-injury seemed like the obvious mechanism to seek to invoke in my body for PE purposes. And the critical nature of the requirement for resting of tissues was obvious…hyperplasia, which may correctly be thought of as “healing in a new configuration” is interrupted by introducing additional inflammation. One need to let those cells endothelial cells replicate. Sometimes girth shows up when we do…

Well, as obvious as all that was to me, gaining with reliable consistency in each new IPR cycle REALLY helped to solidify my understanding of the utility of complete rest breaks. Hope your experience is similarly corroborative of the utility of the IPR method in making penile tissue. For me, gaining that understanding was like going from being a fish flopping around on the beach, hoping to flop into the water…to going to a fish IN THE WATER, who knows which way to swim…and when to rest.

Best wishes for similar for you.

xeno

Totally agree Xeno. Working smarter not harder. I’m similar to yourself, although hardly consider you lazy to want to work more efficiently 😁. The huge volume of work and research you put in verifies you are far from lazy. And we are all fortunate to have this documented so we can all learn.
I will have more questions for you closer to the end of my rest period if you don’t mind. But for now, the routines you outlined above, being newbie-advanced- ninja etc, are those in terms of PE newbie or newbie to the IPR protocol? I’m just trying to figure out what type of Inflamation work I will incorporate when I finish resting.

Much appreciation and respect.
R.

Originally Posted by Ramrod360
But for now, the routines you outlined above, being newbie-advanced- ninja etc, are those in terms of PE newbie or newbie to the IPR protocol?


No sweat; assuming you’ve realized some newbie gains already, I’d suggest starting with the advanced protocol, although my appreciation for hanging has been surpassed by my appreciation for the efficiency of multiple clamp clamping and compressions…if I didn’t need to use the ninja protocol, I’d use something closer to the advanced protocol…except with with no hanging…the return on investment of time sucks relative to those more efficient methods.

But your question brings up an important point for all of you clam jammers…

The IPR concept is not meant to be prescriptive, indeed, quite the opposite; it’s a conceptual outline for implementing work and rest with an intermediate stage of encouraging cell proliferation that’s based on well understood principles of tissue healing and differentiation. One MUST tailor their I-phase work to their own physiological response. An important point here: newbie gains come from an entirely different mechanism than do post-newbie gains; newbie gains come from cellular hypertrophy and minor ligament stretching; post-newbie gains come from cellular hyperplasia and major ligament stretching.

Frankly, anyone who thinks that they can jelq their way to an erect volume twice that of the original is, based tissue differentiation mechanics, and not uncoincidentally, on my experience, and the experience of probably hundreds of thousands of men, not practicable…hypertrophy (i.e. enlargement) of cells can only occur to a finite degree. However, hyperplasia (i.e. multiplication) of cells can occur infinitely…now here comes the important part:

If:

1) ONE IS ABLE TO ACHIEVE ACTUAL INFLAMMATION…this is a non-trivial accomplishment (jelqing will NEVER produce sufficient stress to cause inflammation).

AND

2) ONE RESTS THE INFLAMMED TISSUES.

Clearly, both of these are a challenge to most PE practitioners, who mostly accomplish nothing utilizing the techniques that got them their newbie gains (because of the finite limit of cellular hypertrophy described above). Honestly, I think that the reason that 99.9999% of PE practitioners, at least as represented by the membership of this forum, show up, get some newbie gains and then disappear, is that they continue to do what they did to get those newbie gains, even after a break, and don’t gain. Maybe they even mix it up with new techniques, but they don’t gain. Eventually, they give up. I would too if I were them.

But I sure am not.

What they don’t understand are the mechanisms of tissue differentiation and here’s another important part: the mechanism of newbie gains, cellular hypertrophy, is observable as gains very quickly (no doubt part of why guys continue to utilize the techniques that got them their newbie gains…remember all organisms respond to stimuli, Pavlov’s (and a-unit’s) dog and homo sapiens included. However, the mechanism of post-newbie gains, cellular hyperplasia, is NOT observable as gains quickly. In fact, one needs to WAIT for the cell replication response to the I-phase applied stress to take place. So yea, there’s yet a third thing that PE practitioners find challenging: waiting. Heck even Pavlov’s dog would quit if the reward NEVER showed up. I’m still here because THE REWARD DOES SHOW UP.

So now, dear reader, you DO understand the mechanisms of tissue differentiation.

Therefore, go forth and use this understanding to grow some post-newbie gains penile tissue.

And let me know if I can help.

Cheers,

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.825" BPEL x 6.825" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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