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Finding xeno: a penis tale

Originally Posted by xenolith
Other than a forced 3 week break over Christmas 2004, I have not taken breaks other than the occasional unplanned day off (typically 1 or 2 a month). I hang every day, stretch and jelq everyday, clamp about 2 or 3 times a week and pump maybe once a week. I wear my homemade golf rings everyday for about 8 hrs. I don’t wear anything at night. I have a Thera-P wristband which I wear occasionally.

Originally Posted by xenolith
When I’m only hanging, as is the case now, I hang in the morning for 4-6 20 minute sets, with the number of sets determined by how early I woke up. I jelq for about 10 minutes after each session and wear an ADS for the rest of the day. I typically miss 1 or 2 days a month.

Firstly, Xeno I just wanted to say thanks for this awesome thread! Question though, I know you’ve changed your routine a lot over the years, but could you please break down your regiment one more time for us slower folks around here. I’m getting confused trying to piece together your routine from different time periods.

Hi Xeno!, now I’m experiencing the inflamation stage of your method (for girth in this case, by using slow high-erection jelqs/uli and things like that), and I have a question: when I reach the last day of this stage, should I carry out the PR micro-cycle as in the previous trains (ie, finish the train, engage the cock ring during several hours, 2 rest days and then the macro P stage -cock ring for a month during the day-), or should I use the cock ring after the sesion and then de macro P phase without any rest? (I mean, first the train and then I shall use the cock ring for a month without the 2 common rest days of the micro-phase)

Thanks in advance again and best regards!

Originally Posted by Tekmachine
Firstly, Xeno I just wanted to say thanks for this awesome thread! Question though, I know you’ve changed your routine a lot over the years, but could you please break down your regiment one more time for us slower folks around here. I’m getting confused trying to piece together your routine from different time periods.


:) , yes…I’m a slower folk too. Early on, use heat; Luka’s dog leg jelqs are excellent…although hot tub jelqs are even better; advise that these are used as much as possible early on. Also for early use is a stretcher; I used this in the hot tub to very good effect; achieved BPFSL of >0.75” BPFSL in the hot tub. In particular, stretching to max and then bending a SU stretched unit to SD against the edge of a hot tube seat (expect to be very uncomfortable) allowed subsequent additional extension of the stretcher to reach those high + BPFSL lengths. If you can manage to hot-wire your tub to heat to above the >20 year limited temp. of 104 degrees F…I use 110 degree tub…then your PE objectives will be well served.

When the early gains dry up, start hanging…do your dick a favor and buy a BIB Starter or Hardcore. Please forgive my brevity; recommend an IPR approach that focuses on dorsal tissues stress (i.e. SD to BTC)…plan on this going on for about 2-3 weeks every 3 months for as long as you’re gaining length. I could write 1000 pages on hanging…here’s the essence: distraction. Confuse your tissues. Do it through angles, weights and frequencies.

When you’ve gained what you want in length, switch to girth tactics. I wouldn’t bother with anything other than a few cable clamps and a nice vice. Clamp it with the cable clamps and squeeze it with the nice vice. That’s it. Squeeze it in the NV in all manner of ways, stress vector magnitude and direction deviation is the key…distraction tactics again.

May this be of use to others.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 10-26-2013 at .

Nice vice?

Originally Posted by kenshomi

Nice vice?

Whoops, sorry about that…took me a while to find the photo (was in this thread: Tiger); here you go:

tiger 8 012_1.jpg


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

xenolith that is amazing growth. Thanks for the image of the nice vice.

you are currently where i want to be right now.


(dd/mm/yyyy) 10/05/2013 BPEL 15cm (5.9 inches) ...22/11/2013 BPEL 19.5cm (7.68 inches)... 29/11/2014 BPEL 20.6cm (8.11 inches)

Short Term: 8 BPEL Long term: 8 NBPEL Long Long Term: 9 NBPEL

Hanging progress.......... Difficult takes a day, impossible takes a week.

The marriage of the Cock Coffin (based on Strain ellipse mechanics adjacent to clamps) and the Nice Vice (see two posts back) has resulted in the following offspring:

The Tiger Trap.

Use of this gizmo is not for the faint of heart. I state this out of concern for the safety of any who may make and use one. Simply stated, this thing demands cautious and careful use.

Here’s a summary of my experience with it so far. I just came off a 3 months macro-R phase by using the TT for the first time. Use means a single clamp at the base and then compression of the shaft within the TT. It can be used both with the plates positioned vertically (for lateral compression of the CCs), or positioned horizontally (for vertical compression of the CCs and CS). I’ll describe the use in the case of the latter: compression is done by tightening the proximal ventral (closest to body, bottom) wingnut to some degree of tightening first and then following with tightening of the proximal dorsal (closest to the body, top) until a similar degree of tightening with the first wingnut is achieved. These two proximal wingnuts may be tightened in unison as the session progresses; some venous leakage is generally likely…in my experience anyway, but can largely be compensated for with careful additional tightening of the proximal wingnuts. Additionally, one can tighten the two distal wingnuts to exert compressive force on the distal portion of the shaft.

Here’s a summary of my first session and results: 2 x 5 minutes, both horizontal and vertical orientations. Very sore and red afterward. Indentations from “teeth” faded in about 30 minutes. Had 3 spontaneous erections that night, all of which hurt…I’ve never had that happen. It didn’t feel bad necessarily, more like tissues that had been stretched beyond that which they ever had before were now expanding to previously never achieved dimensions. It actually felt vaguely familiar…as from puberty. I got up on the 3rd erection and measured girth, it was 7 inches all along the shaft. I’m normally 6.5”. After 3 days of rest, I was back to 6.5”, but again after the 2nd session, measured 7”. I expect that it will take a little more I (and again, understand that this thing can legitimately make I mean injury instead of inflame…please be careful!) and P phase work to remodel Tiger into something like a regular measurement of 6.75”…will certainly report what ultimately occurs in any case.

All for now.

xeno

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originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 01-01-2014 at .

The tiger trap looks great xeno much like the idea I was thinking of. I was going to either route the ridges into some wood or try and find some plastic sheet with a similar profile.
I actually started to consider a kind of diamond pattern thinking about the tread on a tyre and how it squeezes water out to the sides. There’s probably an optimum profile for what we’re trying to achieve.

I’m on a break at the minute but this is on my must try list.
Look forward to hearing about your progress with it.

Originally Posted by capernicus1
There’s probably an optimum profile for what we’re trying to achieve.


Yes, of course there is, although it very likely varies with individual penis parameters as discussed in the strain ellipse mechanics adjacent to clamps thread. In that thread, I provided evidence for an approximately 0.75” spacing of aligned radial compressions being optimal (very closely accomplished with the cable clamp cock coffin, CCCC). With the TT, which utilizes offset radial compressions, based on a similar mathematical analysis, an approximately 1” spacing should be near optimal; which is the spacing that I used in constructing the TT. My experience with it so far has provided no indication that some other spacing would be better…just my experience, yours could be different.

Thanks for the kind words and good luck with your experience with it!

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Yes, of course there is, although it very likely varies with individual penis parameters as discussed in the strain ellipse mechanics adjacent to clamps thread. In that thread, I provided evidence for an approximately 0.75” spacing of aligned radial compressions being optimal (very closely accomplished with the cable clamp cock coffin, CCCC). With the TT, which utilizes offset radial compressions, based on a similar mathematical analysis, an approximately 1” spacing should be near optimal; which is the spacing that I used in constructing the TT. My experience with it so far has provided no indication that some other spacing would be better…just my experience, yours could be different.

Thanks for the kind words and good luck with your experience with it!

xeno

Thanks.
Are you still using the HTW when clamping ?
Also I’d appreciate it if you could elaborate on your reasoning behind the 3 day micro cycle in the I phase.
Is it just long enough to allow some new collagen to form ?

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Thanks.


You’re very welcome; I’m happy to be of service if I can be.

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Are you still using the HTW when clamping ?


A little confusion here cap; I’ve never used a HTW for clamping, just Tiger and the clamp. I used to use a HTW as a wrap for hanging…I now hang with no wrap. As an aside, in my opinion, there is no better wrap for hanging than a HTW…if one wants a wrap.

Originally Posted by capernicus1

Also I’d appreciate it if you could elaborate on your reasoning behind the 3 day micro cycle in the I phase.


Sure; briefly, it’s based on the typical duration of time until onset of the proliferation phase in classical wound (IPR) healing theory:
“About two or three days after the wound occurs, fibroblasts begin to enter the wound site, marking the onset of the proliferative phase even before the inflammatory phase has ended.[32] As in the other phases of wound healing, steps in the proliferative phase do not occur in a series but rather partially overlap in time.” (from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing).

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Is it just long enough to allow some new collagen to form ?


Yes, at least for the formation of fibroblasts and Type 3 collagen: “Type III collagen and fibronectin are generally beginning to be produced in appreciable amounts at somewhere between approximately 10 hours[38] and 3 days,[34] depending mainly on wound size. Their deposition peaks at one to three weeks. They are the predominating tensile substances until the later phase of maturation, in which they are replaced by the stronger type I collagen.” (also from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing). Note that in this article that “maturation” is equivalent to “remodeling” of in the PE vernacular “rest”. It’s because of the 3 day (max) period after inflammation that collagen production is well under way that informs the 3 day micro I phase cycle duration. Similarly, it’s the duration of “one to three weeks” for collagen deposition to peak that informs the duration of the macro I phase cycle duration…I’ve always gone for 4 micro I cycles for a total macro I phase of 12 days before entering the macro P phase. With the TT, I’m adjusting that schedule a little, this thing really lays the hurt on tissues; I’d like to see more reduction of inflammation before introducing the next micro I cycle…I think that I’ll end up at 5 days…or applying less stress…or a combo of both…but probably the former.

Might as well address the R phase as well: “The onset of the maturation phase may vary extensively, depending on the size of the wound and whether it was initially closed or left open, ranging from approximately 3 days to 3 weeks”. (also from, you guessed it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing). This timing, along with that which was presented above, informs the duration of the macro I phase of 12 days (I’ll probably be at ~3weeks with the TT). Regarding the duration of remodeling, “As the phase progresses, the tensile strength of the wound increases, with the strength approaching 50% that of normal tissue by three months after injury…” Three months is used simply as a compromise between “too soon” which would disrupt proliferation and remodeling and “too long” for one who is looking to enlarge their penis to wait…classic SWAG at it’s best. Funny thing is that all of the growth happens after the inflammation…if we let it…

Anyhoo, hope something of value is found therein.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
You’re very welcome; I’m happy to be of service if I can be.

A little confusion here cap; I’ve never used a HTW for clamping, just Tiger and the clamp. I used to use a HTW as a wrap for hanging…I now hang with no wrap. As an aside, in my opinion, there is no better wrap for hanging than a HTW…if one wants a wrap.

Sure; briefly, it’s based on the typical duration of time until onset of the proliferation phase in classical wound (IPR) healing theory:
“About two or three days after the wound occurs, fibroblasts begin to enter the wound site, marking the onset of the proliferative phase even before the inflammatory phase has ended.[32] As in the other phases of wound healing, steps in the proliferative phase do not occur in a series but rather partially overlap in time.” (from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing).

Yes, at least for the formation of fibroblasts and Type 3 collagen: “Type III collagen and fibronectin are generally beginning to be produced in appreciable amounts at somewhere between approximately 10 hours[38] and 3 days,[34] depending mainly on wound size. Their deposition peaks at one to three weeks. They are the predominating tensile substances until the later phase of maturation, in which they are replaced by the stronger type I collagen.” (also from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing). Note that in this article that “maturation” is equivalent to “remodeling” of in the PE vernacular “rest”. It’s because of the 3 day (max) period after inflammation that collagen production is well under way that informs the 3 day micro I phase cycle duration. Similarly, it’s the duration of “one to three weeks” for collagen deposition to peak that informs the duration of the macro I phase cycle duration…I’ve always gone for 4 micro I cycles for a total macro I phase of 12 days before entering the macro P phase. With the TT, I’m adjusting that schedule a little, this thing really lays the hurt on tissues; I’d like to see more reduction of inflammation before introducing the next micro I cycle…I think that I’ll end up at 5 days…or applying less stress…or a combo of both…but probably the former.

Might as well address the R phase as well: “The onset of the maturation phase may vary extensively, depending on the size of the wound and whether it was initially closed or left open, ranging from approximately 3 days to 3 weeks”. (also from, you guessed it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_healing). This timing, along with that which was presented above, informs the duration of the macro I phase of 12 days (I’ll probably be at ~3weeks with the TT). Regarding the duration of remodeling, “As the phase progresses, the tensile strength of the wound increases, with the strength approaching 50% that of normal tissue by three months after injury…” Three months is used simply as a compromise between “too soon” which would disrupt proliferation and remodeling and “too long” for one who is looking to enlarge their penis to wait…classic SWAG at it’s best. Funny thing is that all of the growth happens after the inflammation…if we let it…

Anyhoo, hope something of value is found therein.

xeno

Once again xeno thank you, you’re one of the people that make this place worthwhile for me.
What you’re saying here has pretty much confirmed my recent thinking on frequency of PE sessions.

Something of value was indeed found herein :)
Oh and the HTW clamping confusion I think it was Sparkyx who was doing that, my memory’s letting me down these days.

4 micro I cycles down; I’m going to do one more and then go to rest/remodeling. And I did decide to go to every 5th day due to the severity of the forces applied and the indicated need for additional recovery time between applications. I think that I’ll see a permanent girth increase of 0.125” to 0.25”, but we’ll see. If things go as I think they will, if a gain is to materialize, it should become apparent in 4-6 weeks. Not expecting any length gain, but theoretically, the deformation forces that I’ve been applying have a small longitudinal component, so maybe…again, we’ll see.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Hmmm…no gain. Not sure why; best guess is too much inflammation…heck of a lot of it happens with the TT…probably should have stopped after 2 cycles. Anyhoo, happy to have learned a bit more about my physiologic response…it’ll inform future campaigns. Will continue with macro R phase, maybe for 4 or 5 months; maybe longer…we’ll see.

For any considering use of the TT, measured application appears to be indicated.

xeno


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

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