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Finding xeno: a penis tale

Originally Posted by xenolith
I forgive those who trespass against me.

Go with Love. As do I.


Holyshit!!! He’s back.

Hey, now that you’re here (or that I know that you lurk now and then), can you please give us your thoughts on girth routines based on IPR? What has worked for you? Can you give us a sample clamping routine based on IPR, or even the girth routine that you used to get gains?

I would be VERY appreciated…

Q4L


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

I was kind of left with the same impression as Mravg.

Sure thing quik. I recommend that you read this, then make a CCCC or simply place multiple cable clamps (I recommend using mouse pad padded clamps in either case) at distances of ~0.5” to 0.75” along your erect penis. It appears that maintaining a full blown erection (FBE) is important, so use manual stimulation (olive oil recommended) and/or visual stimuli to facilitate that.

Maintain FBE for however many minutes seems right. Do mild bends and or squeezes (be smart about this). At some point kegeling/stimuli will not be able to keep up with the increasing oxygen deficit that this severe constriction causes…stop before then…mild tingling/desensitization signals its past time to have stopped. Remove CCCC/clamps. Jelq until “ribs” are smoothed out and general tissue elasticity is re-established. This takes about 2-3 minutes for me. Repeat clamping. Repeat jelqing. Wear a mildly constricting cockring for the rest of the day. Do this clamp/jelq cycle for however many times is necessary to experience solid PIs (increased frequency of spontaneous erections and larger flaccid primarily) and of course, to gain. I think for newish (insert your own idea about what I mean by newish) guys 2 cycles of something like 5-7 minutes for the clamping phase would be about where I’d guess to start. For more conditioned guys, something like 3 cycles of 10-12-15 minutes is probably more in line with what is needed to move tissue.

In any case, use the 1.1 work multiplier for the regular 2 week period and, if necessary, as it was for me to get my last 0.125” EG, use the 1.15 work multiplier for the third week. Girth work, which I haven’t focused much on seemed to respond better to a higher frequency of work than did length work…maybe try the (3rd week approach of) 1.15 multiplier and 1 on 1 off from the start? I don’t know. You’re the scientist, your dick is the guinea pig. Experiment.

And Good Luck.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Sure thing quik. I recommend that you read this, then make a CCCC or simply place multiple cable clamps (I recommend using mouse pad padded clamps in either case) at distances of ~0.5” to 0.75” along your erect penis. It appears that maintaining a full blown erection (FBE) is important, so use manual stimulation (olive oil recommended) and/or visual stimuli to facilitate that.


I like your idea of the CCCC. I agree with having a FBE, but the amount of pressure of the actual clamp is a different story. When I clamped in the past, I’ve always noticed that less pressure on the clamp created more expansion. I always edge during my clamping sessions, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

Check out this post I wrote:
Gaining girth using IPR protocol

How about using Monty’s Air Clamp? A lot of people like how the air clamp keeps the penis engorged and how the need for visual stimuli (ie. porn) is eliminated. Maybe I can use an air clamp on the bottom and Cable Clamps for the rest of the shaft? What do you think?

Originally Posted by xenolith
Maintain FBE for however many minutes seems right. Do mild bends and or squeezes (be smart about this). At some point kegeling/stimuli will not be able to keep up with the increasing oxygen deficit that this severe constriction causes…stop before then…mild tingling/desensitization signals its past time to have stopped. Remove CCCC/clamps. Jelq until “ribs” are smoothed out and general tissue elasticity is re-established. This takes about 2-3 minutes for me. Repeat clamping. Repeat jelqing. Wear a mildly constricting cockring for the rest of the day. Do this clamp/jelq cycle for however many times is necessary to experience solid PIs (increased frequency of spontaneous erections and larger flaccid primarily) and of course, to gain. I think for newish (insert your own idea about what I mean by newish) guys 2 cycles of something like 5-7 minutes for the clamping phase would be about where I’d guess to start. For more conditioned guys, something like 3 cycles of 10-12-15 minutes is probably more in line with what is needed to move tissue.


I understand the actual routine that you have laid out, for both newish guys and more conditioned guys. Is this routine supposed to be done 1 on/2 off?

Originally Posted by xenolith
In any case, use the 1.1 work multiplier for the regular 2 week period and, if necessary, as it was for me to get my last 0.125” EG, use the 1.15 work multiplier for the third week. Girth work, which I haven’t focused much on seemed to respond better to a higher frequency of work than did length work…maybe try the (3rd week approach of) 1.15 multiplier and 1 on 1 off from the start? I don’t know. You’re the scientist, your dick is the guinea pig. Experiment.


What do you do for your macro P Phase?

Originally Posted by xenolith
And Good Luck.


Thanks. I think I’m gonna need it.


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

quik,

Based on my experience, the CCCC works better than individual clamps. It keeps the space between the engaged (clamped) clamps constant (eliminates the “baggie sliding over the pickle”~Modesto). This is important for purposes of maintaining the maximum dimension of the long axes of your strain ellipses. Word up…the name of the game is strain.

With regard to to your comment about less clamping pressure, all I can say is that’s not what worked for me. I’m just answering your question of what worked for me. What works for you could be completely different. However, if you care to believe me, I’ve put a lot of thought into designing training strategies that make sense from first principles of physics and mechanics and then testing them and iterating the training to generate best results. I’ve then reported my findings to you guys. I’m just pointing out the creek that I drank from.

I checked out your IPR clamping thread. Heck, I don’t know. I mean it’s different from what I did. But it looks like I could gain from it. Particularly if I used CCCCs. So…did it work?

I haven’t tried Monty’s air clamp. I did build one before he came up with his. I believe it was as good a unit as is possible for the design. I prefer cable clamps. This is primarily because of my understanding that strain ellipses are beneficial for girth growth and air clamps develop them very poorly compared to cable clamps and more specifically, compared to CCCCs. The name of the game is strain.

Yes on the 1 on, 2 off question.

You, and everyone else need to understand that I don’t have any magic recipes. I just know what worked for me. And am willing to share it. What I recommend most isn’t any particular routine but a particular strategy…determine what balance of work, “encouragement” and rest is most effective for your particular tissues. Simple as that. The only way I know how to do that is to experiment with end member conditions (lots of work, little rest and little work, lots of rest) and iterate towards the middle until the optimum balance is found. Worked for me. But if you don’t want to find your own creek I’m happy to show you the one I found.

Macro P-phase? Cockring and a homemade ADS…on low tension/weight. Should have mentioned that earlier, cockring AND low tension/weight ADS worked best for me for both micro-and macro-P phases. I think its important to restrict the degrees of freedom of movement of tissues (well, tunica really) during the P-phases.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Hi Thunder.

Thanks for the forgiveness. I’m sure I deserve it.

Cheeky? Talking monkey?

Well of course on the latter. I would dispute the former. But it would probably be cheeky of me :)

I’ll pop in from time to time. I wonder, would more prefer that I do or don’t?

I didn’t do anything to goon. Except wait patiently in vain for his great disclosure (scroll down). If nothing else the faint glimmer of hope that he’ll keep his word on that will keep me checking in.

Word homie.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
I checked out your IPR clamping thread. Heck, I don’t know. I mean it’s different from what I did. But it looks like I could gain from it. Particularly if I used CCCCs. So…did it work?


I personally have not tried the girth routine based on IPR that I made. Right now, I’m tackling length. I’m on a routine that has me vacuum hanging and is based on IPR. I have gained from it (Quik’s Pics!) and hope to continue to gain from it in my future cycles. Other members said they have tried the girth routine based on IPR that I outlined in my thread, but did NOT get any results. Maybe some of them will stumble upon this thread and try out your CCCC.

Originally Posted by xenolith
Macro P-phase? Cockring and a homemade ADS…on low tension/weight. Should have mentioned that earlier, cockring AND low tension/weight ADS worked best for me for both micro-and macro-P phases. I think its important to restrict the degrees of freedom of movement of tissues (well, tunica really) during the P-phases.


Can you explain this a bit better for me? So are you saying that when you worked girth, during your macro P phase, you would have a cockring on to keep your penis engorged while SIMULTANEOUSLY doing low tension ADS? Or, did you wear a cockring for half the day, and ADS for the rest of the day?

I’m sort of confused as to why one should ADS for girth when one is on the macro P phase. Isn’t ADS only for length, or am I missing something?


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

One question for you xeno.did you stop doing kegels in the macro P phase or ?

xenolith [regarding the CCCC]:

Did you glue 3 or 4 clamps together and keep them at the base for 10 minutes, then, move them up an inch for the next 10 minutes, etc? How did you do it? What was the most number of clamps you ever had on your penis at once?

When you clamped, did you ensure that the pressure of the clamps were focused on the sides of the penis, or on the top and bottom of the penis?


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

Originally Posted by quik4life

Can you explain this a bit better for me? So are you saying that when you worked girth, during your macro P phase, you would have a cockring on to keep your penis engorged while SIMULTANEOUSLY doing low tension ADS? Or, did you wear a cockring for half the day, and ADS for the rest of the day?

Yes. Yes. No.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

lempi,

I kegel at a fairly consistent rate irrespective of what phase of PE I’m in. And in PE retirement too :) .


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

quik,

I’ve got a 3 a 5 and a 7 clamp CCCC. I clamp down the even numbered clamps, first #2, then #4, etc. I’m not sure what the most clamps I’ve had on at one time is, probably 8 or 9.

Clamps compressing sides (teeth on the top).


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Woops. Brainfart. Clamp the odd numbered clamps. Dyslexia damn.

Clamping #1, then #5, then #3 (5 clamp CCCC) or #1, #7, #3, #5 (7 clamp CCCC) is a good thing.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Originally Posted by xenolith
Woops. Brainfart. Clamp the odd numbered clamps. Dyslexia damn.

Clamping #1, then #5, then #3 (5 clamp CCCC) or #1, #7, #3, #5 (7 clamp CCCC) is a good thing.


Gotcha.


The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly - that is what each of us is here for.

~Oscar Wilde~

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