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Water Pumping: Alternating Hot & Cold

To all (particularly caldera, though):

I used monkeybar’s VacADS a couple of days ago. All I can say is: wow.

1. Literally zero discomfort despite wearing it for 4 hours. I could wear this thing all day long.

2. The pull is superb. Unlike traction-type ADS or constriction hanging, this glans-vacuum allows a truly fully distributed pull across the entire tunica and ligs. It is so good, to the point that I am beginning to think that this might be the most promising length exercise ever. The chord was fully extended the entire time - this is a true stretching exercise, not just keeping it past it’s normal flaccid length (I don’t believe keeping the tunica past it’s flaccid length can cause true growth unless it is stretching to the maximum, this is why I never bought into ADS systems). Superb!

One major problem: blisters.

I tried it again yesterday with tape, but the tape came off a bit after 20 minutes (possibly due to the lubrication I used to get the glans in the vacuum) and I got blisters again. This is seriously depressing me, because this is the most promising thing in my current PE life. WPing has been working great, but if I can combine these two effectively, I’m quite sure that I will have the best stimulus for length growth ever - at the best comfort possible.

I am thinking of somehow making it a water-vacuum. This will allow me to use no lube to keep the wrap on and limit the pressure on the glans surface as well.

I am also wondering if the glans can be conditioned to avoid blisters. On the feet or hands for example, blisters occur but then the skin gets callouses and blisters stop occurring. The glans, however, is similar to the lips on the human face - it is not normal skin (if I remember correctly, its a mucus membrane or something like that). So I am not sure if it can even get conditioned. If it can, that would be excellent.

Caldera, how are you working this? Can you describe how long you use it for, post WPing, and how you wrap/lube exactly?

I am so excited about this product! Yet the excitement is bitter-sweet. If I can find a way to avoid the blisters without reducing the pull (I believe I am pulling more than others due to the way I have attached the leg strap), I think this will be the best method for length gains ever.

Sparkyx, have you tried this? If not, you really should. I can’t believe I have been doing this for so long and never tried this ADS.

Good to hear your enthusiam about vacADS, LV. I feel pretty much the same way. This could be well a bit off topic again, but on the other hand we’re discussing it in combination with water pumping, right? I never used Monkybar’ system though but I think we owe him a lot for his expertise and illustrations on this matter. It took me many weeks to really find the perfect adjustments which make ADS comfortable and effective at the same time.

The pull can be tremendous which makes it like you wrote ‘promising’ but potentially dangerous at the same time. This is not like wearing golf weights or some anti- turtle device. It is stretching in it’s purest form and I recently felt some sharp pain in my ligs near the base (or rather under the base). Nothing serious I’m sure, a bit of IR light and edging and everything was tip top again. But vac ads can lead easily to an overtraining effect which I had to find out the hard way, I guess. In the past I increased wearing time slowly and I suppose this is the best thing to do with every PE exercise.

Heavy stretching for many hours a day is quite a challenge, even for well trained units.

What I do is Water pumping at first and then attaching the ads. It’s described in detail in the last paragraph of my post in the ’ Are pumping gains permantent’ thread:

caldera - Are Pumping Gains Permanent? Wrong Question

Concerning blisters: I had blisters once in the beginning and you will need to take probably 5-8 days off to fully recover. Vac ads at that point is bitter- sweet indeed for 2 reasons. First, I believe that your glans adapts to the pressure with time and therefore isn’t as vulnerable to blisters anymore which is good to pursue gains. Secondly, I believe this goes hand in hand with loosing sensitivity in the glans which is obviously bad for sexual excitement.
To avoid blisters I wrap with theraband stripes so that it protects my glans and also helps to get a perfect fit in the cap. I never had blisters ever since. That’s it so far. I will go into this further but I need some sleep now.
Remember it can take weeks to find out the perfect setup.
Good luck.


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LV I would definitely not try and make it a water vac. Skin in water for long periods of time can damage the skin. It doesn’t take long for your fingers and toes to prune up. Imagine what your dick would look like after being submerged for 4 hours straight - can’t be good.

Originally Posted by caldera
Good to hear your enthusiam about vacADS, LV…

caldera,

How are you wrapping it with theraband exactly? Theraband is not adhesive (sticky?). Can you describe in more detail when you are freer?

Shortshorts,

I tried the water for an hour. I am not sure if the water helped or if it was the more careful wrapping with the 3M tape, but it seems better.

Originally Posted by shortshorts
LV I would definitely not try and make it a water vac. Skin in water for long periods of time can damage the skin. It doesn’t take long for your fingers and toes to prune up. Imagine what your dick would look like after being submerged for 4 hours straight - can’t be good.

Are you sure about this though? I have gone for four hours a day water pumping (fully submerged). Not continuously, obviously, but still. I’m not sure pruning has any permanent effect?

Also: keep in mind the entire portion that is in water here is wrapped. The problem is that the wrap does seem to be sliding off slightly when I exit the ADS, so I’m not sure if it insulates the glans fully.

LongVehicle,

Thanks for your comments. Clamping it is then. When I`m ready.

I`m glad you liked your VAC-ADS. I love the Xleeve, but personally I never got the VAC ADS to work for me. I suspect it is much due to my small flaccid size (the cap is simply way bigger than my head).

I don`t think blisters should be a big issue for you unless you pull extremely hard. However, you still need to work up to the desired daily use, starting on the low end. That is the key I believe and it seems like that is what most users did (as per the thread in the review section).

I share your enthusiasm and hope this works out for you. Keep us posted :)

Originally Posted by LongVehicle

My new belief is that elastic expansion should be chased (maximize elastic expansion), but that the constraint on avoiding edema should be removed. The reason for this is because I realized that many of the big girth gainers seem to have allowed edema to occur. For example, kaan, who gained a huge amount in a short period of time, once took pictures and posted them. His penis was grotesquely malformed due to edema.

For all I know, you may be right, I have no real evidence either way.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Sparkyx may be right. I have noticed the discoloration from WP and clamping seems to be very different.

Try Sparkyx’s method of wrapped clamping out. I haven’t tried it, but it seems promising.

I believe the discoloration of WP is lack of oxygen in the surface skin, the discoloration of clamping is hemosiderin staining the skin.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
I am so excited about this product! Yet the excitement is bitter-sweet. If I can find a way to avoid the blisters without reducing the pull (I believe I am pulling more than others due to the way I have attached the leg strap), I think this will be the best method for length gains ever.

Sparkyx, have you tried this? If not, you really should. I can’t believe I have been doing this for so long and never tried this ADS.


I made my own vacuum hanger a few years ago. I am way too susceptible to edema migration and eventually blisters for me to use it for any period of time.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I believe the discoloration of WP is lack of oxygen in the surface skin, the discoloration of clamping is hemosiderin staining the skin.

Then what would explain long term discoloration (lighter than clamping, still) from pumping? I think it might be a mixture of both. Clubber’s routine is primarily pumping focused and his discoloration came from it as well.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I made my own vacuum hanger a few years ago. I am way too susceptible to edema migration and eventually blisters for me to use it for any period of time.

I think I’ve got it worked. With water in the came, I have much less of a problem.

Ahh. Water ADS’ing, haha. I’ve only used it for short periods so far, but the blistering/edema has been reduced significantly. I no longer need a wrap, from what I can tell.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
caldera,

How are you wrapping it with theraband exactly? Theraband is not adhesive (sticky?). Can you describe in more detail when you are freer?

I have 2 theraband sleeves cut to appr. 30x2cm. I roll both around my glans and fasten it with adhesive tape. It needs to be really tight; no friction allowed (the use of babypowder is helpful). 1 sleeve might be enough for the actual purpose of this which is protection. The second one is for having a tight fit when entering the cup and pushing all the air out of it. Let the silicone sleeve roll over. Fit.

I have never tried it with water. I wonder what it feels like though. You got me curious. Nevertheless I can’t imagine it’ll hold the stress I’m pulling with.

Good luck.


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Originally Posted by caldera
I have 2 theraband sleeves cut to appr. 30x2cm. I roll both around my glans and fasten it with adhesive tape. It needs to be really tight; no friction allowed (the use of babypowder is helpful). 1 sleeve might be enough for the actual purpose of this which is protection. The second one is for having a tight fit when entering the cup and pushing all the air out of it. Let the silicone sleeve roll over. Fit.

I have never tried it with water. I wonder what it feels like though. You got me curious. Nevertheless I can’t imagine it’ll hold the stress I’m pulling with.

Good luck.

Water seems to work. I need to let the blisters fully heal though, so I’ve got to take around a week off. I may try your technique though, it seems like it would work.

Try water for a few minutes with no rap (10 minutes) and see how you react. It might be beneficial because of less hassle and the ability to grow your glans. I tried it, and I am almost sure this would cause major glans gains over time.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Water seems to work. I need to let the blisters fully heal though, so I’ve got to take around a week off. I may try your technique though, it seems like it would work.

Try water for a few minutes with no rap (10 minutes) and see how you react. It might be beneficial because of less hassle and the ability to grow your glans. I tried it, and I am almost sure this would cause major glans gains over time.

Get well soon, LV! Bepanthen or some similar ointment might hasten the healing process. Like I said I had two blisters once in th beginning of my ads journey but not again ever since.

I will try to use water when sealing the cap but wraping with theraband stripes is no hassle to me at all; it only takes 2 minutes.
Have you experienced glans expansion from water sealing? I will have to try this now even more but I can’t imagine this could lead to permanent gains. Good luck.


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Originally Posted by caldera
I will have to try this now even more but I can’t imagine this could lead to permanent gains. Good luck.

Anything that expands the glans past its normal maximum expansion will lead to gains, over time. I achieved partial glans gains from hanging, even though only the tip of the glans was expanded (I hung incorrectly and this constricted the glans). Not to mention, monkeybar specifically mentioned this in his vacuum thread.

I tried it and am quite sure that over 6 months I’d see some glans gains through the water (non-wrapping) method. Not with wrapping so much, as the expansion would decrease, of course.

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