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WATER PUMPING > Air Pumping

Rick,

You can pump air or water if you have an air pump. if you ahve a Bathmate water pump, you can ONLY Pump water and for me water is just messy. Hey to each his own.

Thanks for that skepticalOne. I won’t buy a Bathmate so I can have a foot in each camp so to speak. However, I’m still trying to tie down why you call it messy. Until your post, I had assumed we could easily go with air or water. A couple of questions please:

1. Are you sure that your cylinder is not a tad too large and, therefore, making a good seal is difficult?

2. Have you shaved your dick so that hair does not interfere with forming a seal?

3. If shaving your dick is important to form a good seal, have I done enough — all the shaft except the last 1/2” and trimmed the rest to about 1/2” length. I am going for a 2” cylinder because my diameter at the base in the shaved area is 5.6”.

After having re-read part of this thread, it seems I waterpump in a quite different way. So maybe some of you can learn something - or maybe I can become much smarter.

After having pumped for 3 weeks, I switched to water pumping, which I have done now for 3 weeks as well. This is much more pleasent. I just had to work around the problems of the water being pretty messy, so this is what I do:

1) Since I have/had a problem with a strong curve and a strong erection that caused the penis to hit the wall of the tube, I tried to pump just before going to bed - I am more tired there, and the erection is less strong.

2) I fill a small tub with tempered water and take two towels: Put one on the floor and one on the couch - then I place the tub on the towel on the floor and add some olive oil to the water.

3) For warming up, I fill the tube 2/3 with the water and go into the tube flaccid with my foreskin on (I am uncircumsized). I stay there for one minute.

4) Now warm, I pull out, pull my foreskin back, empty the tube, put in a little olive oil, fill the 1/2 with water from the tub and go into the tube - still flaccid. Then I attach the gauge and the hose. I place the tube so the top of the tube is filled with air, the bottom with my flaccid dick in it is filled with water. Then I slowly pump into a moderate pressure - around 2,5-3 Hg. (If working out and lifting weights, you never go directly to the maximum, you always gradually increase weight, so the same principle is used here). I stay here for a 5-10 minutes. Notice that a) I never really get a erection in the tube, but the flaccid dick is pumped up. b) I actually do use the measurement on the gauge. You have to be very careful not to get water into the hose and into the gauge.

5) I slowly deflate, pull out, I am having a larger flaccid hang. I do around 30 very very soft jelqs. This is not actually to jelq, but more to move blood around.

6) Still a little larger (but still somewhat flaccid), I put a little olive oil into the tube again and go back into the tube. Again i slowly increase pressure (around 1-2 minutes), but this time I first stop at 4-5 Hg. I stay here for 5-10 minutes. After these three weeks it is more often 10 minutes than 5 (and sometimes a little more). I still uge the gauge to measure the pressure. Here the water is almost sucked all the way to the top of the tube, and almost go into the hose. Sometimes I even have to pump to water into the hose. I then unattach the hose, empty it, reattach it and increase a little more. It all depends on, how much you fill into the tube: The higher the pressure, the less water you should put into the hose in the first place. Around 4-5 Hg, you have to fill the tube with less than 50%.

The frequency: I try to do 2 days on, 1 day off. And I only pump once a day before going to bed.

So here are a few questions to you experienced guys:

1) It is ok never to get the full erection in the tube?
2) It seems that most guys make a mark on the side of the tube. I measure with the gauge. Pros and cons?
3) It this a good routine (pressure, frequency, not filling the tube entirely with water)?

/Jlicht

Rick,

I can’t explain it theoretically, you need to get one and you’ll see what I mean. I personally like air pumping much better and I started with Bathmate.

1. Bathmate only comes in one size.
2. I shave.

The bathmate has to be put on with your penis pointing down so the water doesn’t pout out. Also, the bathmate doesn’t have a total seal when there is no vacuum, so as your filling it, if you don’t cup your hand over the tip and press, the water will never fill, it just leaks out.

So picture it, your filling it, it’s leaking out unless you hold it just right, then when you are ready to go into the tube, you have to point your penis down (and it’s better to go in erect, not matter what they say), then you have to squeeze the bathmate against your body to expel water to get vacuum…this means water has to go somewhere… so you have to be over the tub, in the shower, or plan on getting a towel very wet. Then you need to pump every 5 minutes as your penis is growing to keep the same vacuum (same as an air pump).

So with water, you just have a mess. I like it nice and clean.

I don’t even like putting water in my air pump. People who have a problem with air pumping are just doing something very wrong. Most commonely TOO HIGH of pressure.

Or you are doing something wrong with the Bathmate? Face it, a shitload of people have donut issues with air pumping, you are the first I’ve read about who has it with water pumping.


regards, mgus

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Originally Posted by skepticalOne
I can’t explain it theoretically, you need to get one and you’ll see what I mean… .

Thanks for that buddy. I understand your situation now and won’t by a bathmate. However, from posts here it would seem that if I buy a regular cylinder and use water, I don’t need a pump. I can simply suck enough out of the cylinder with my mouth to get the pressure I want (valve essential here). And the right pressure is when my dick grows through the sucking to 1/2” short of BPEL. That seems easy and least expensive than all other options. What’s more, the message I’m getting here is that it works as well as using air alone, but without the donut forming. I am very prone to getting donuts — it swells most on the underside around the frenulum. I know I’ll just have to live with these, but I’ll minimise them if I can.

You can buy a pressure gauge as well, I bought a cylinder and a cheap pressure gauge for ~$8 and suck the pressure with my mouth.

Originally Posted by mgus
Or you are doing something wrong with the Bathmate? Face it, a shitload of people have donut issues with air pumping, you are the first I’ve read about who has it with water pumping.

I don’t have a donut issue with air pumping because I wear a 1” silicone sleeve over the donut area and leave it on for about 20 minutes after my air pumping session.

The bathamate ALSO produced donut issues and not just for me.

Originally Posted by RickM
Thanks for that buddy. I understand your situation now and won’t by a bathmate. However, from posts here it would seem that if I buy a regular cylinder and use water, I don’t need a pump. I can simply suck enough out of the cylinder with my mouth to get the pressure I want (valve essential here). And the right pressure is when my dick grows through the sucking to 1/2” short of BPEL. That seems easy and least expensive than all other options. What’s more, the message I’m getting here is that it works as well as using air alone, but without the donut forming. I am very prone to getting donuts — it swells most on the underside around the frenulum. I know I’ll just have to live with these, but I’ll minimise them if I can.

I use a silicone sleeve while in the air pump that covers my donut area and I have had ZERO donut problem since i started using it. Just make sure you leave it on for at least 20 minutes after your session is over, if you don’t, that lymph fluid will still collect there, even though you’re not even in the pump. When you first take off the sleeve (20 minutes after your session), it looks a little odd, becuase the rest of your unit is fully puffed up…but after about 3 minutes, you have the “perfect” looking penis (in my opinion) and it stays that way for hours and hours.

I get the sleeves from autoxtender.com, then I just cut them to fit . I use them for the home made phallosan device I made as well, and I plan on using one for the wrap to use with the new hanging set up I got.

Originally Posted by skepticalOne
I use a silicone sleeve while in the air pump that covers my donut area and I have had ZERO donut problem since i started using it. Just make sure you leave it on for at least 20 minutes after your session is over, if you don’t, that lymph fluid will still collect there, even though you’re not even in the pump. When you first take off the sleeve (20 minutes after your session), it looks a little odd, becuase the rest of your unit is fully puffed up…but after about 3 minutes, you have the “perfect” looking penis (in my opinion) and it stays that way for hours and hours.

I get the sleeves from autoxtender.com, then I just cut them to fit . I use them for the home made phallosan device I made as well, and I plan on using one for the wrap to use with the new hanging set up I got.

Sounds like a lot of trouble when water could do the same, don’t you think?

Not to mention that water does it evenly.

I’ve been water pumping for three months and find that I still get a small donut. However, I also do Avocet7’s mini air pumping for ED.

Originally Posted by LongVehicle
Sounds like a lot of trouble when water could do the same, don’t you think?

Not to mention that water does it evenly.

You didn’t read my post very closely. I got just as bad donut water pumping.

Look, no matter how you pull fluid into your penis, it has to go somewhere. The donut area is where fluid likes to accumulate. So you have to take the donut effect out of the equation when choosing to water pump or air pump. I’ve done both (both with the bathmate and with an air pump with air and with water)…no matter what, if you go strong enough vacuum or long enough, you WILL get a donut if you are disposed to them.

So when choosing to water pump or air pump, it really is an emphasis on set up time for me. One is tedious and messy and one is pleasant and quick.

Originally Posted by skepticalOne
You didn’t read my post very closely. I got just as bad donut water pumping.

Look, no matter how you pull fluid into your penis, it has to go somewhere. The donut area is where fluid likes to accumulate. So you have to take the donut effect out of the equation when choosing to water pump or air pump. I’ve done both (both with the bathmate and with an air pump with air and with water)…no matter what, if you go strong enough vacuum or long enough, you WILL get a donut if you are disposed to them.

So when choosing to water pump or air pump, it really is an emphasis on set up time for me. One is tedious and messy and one is pleasant and quick.

Nobody said it was an absolute matter. I am sure the majority of people who water pump here will find FAR less edema. As I said in the opening post, more bang (true expansion) for the buck (edema).

As a side note, I cannot imagine a word in which setting up an air pump (lubricant particularly) takes less time than a water pump (again, the opening posts by sparkyx and I do not mention bathmates).

LongVehicle,

ok, I think arguments can be made for both in the set up / break down department. I guess it boils down to lubircant “mess” vs. water “mess”. I prefer a lubrincant mess.

As far as tunica expansion vs. edema with water vs. air… I’d have to see some data on that. I would say that is more of an emotional argument, rather than a factual one.

Originally Posted by skepticalOne
LongVehicle,

ok, I think arguments can be made for both in the set up / break down department. I guess it boils down to lubircant “mess” vs. water “mess”. I prefer a lubrincant mess.

As far as tunica expansion vs. edema with water vs. air… I’d have to see some data on that. I would say that is more of an emotional argument, rather than a factual one.

You’d have to see some data? You realize the central problem with PE is that we cannot get any objective controlled tests, correct? So there is truly no point mentioning this part. We have disorganized, uncontrolled, and sparse empirical information. We accept this because of no alternative.

You may simply be an anomally. Check out the other replies to the thread, along with my experience, sparkyx’s, TC’s…in fact just consider that we have yet to come across someone who water pumped consistently for over two weeks (other than yourself) without noting lowered edema (per unit of pressure and time).

You may simply need more time to get used to the set up issue. I remember at the beginning I found it a bit difficult. Within three weeks, I have come to spend less than 1 minute on the entire set up (attaching and removing).

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