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Vacuum Pumping when you have ED; the short version, according to Avocet8

Originally Posted by Lampwick
Packing the tube means that you have reached the limit of expansion (at least in girth), so you are not getting as much stretch. My guess is that you should not move down to a smaller diameter tube if you are working on your EQ.

I should have asked, “Why?” Why would “girth work” help any more than “length work” when it comes to improving EQ? What difference would it make how much you’re “packing” the tube? From what Avocet has shared here and elsewhere, the whole idea is simply to get regular, full erections to replace or supplement nocturnal erections a guy normally has.

I think that what Lampwick is addressing is a combo of better EQ _and_ size gain. If you are perfectly happy with the better EQ results, don’t change anything. But if you want to continue with gains, maintaining the improved EQ, what he suggests makes good sense to me.


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avocet8

Originally Posted by avocet8
If you are perfectly happy with the better EQ results, don’t change anything.

I’m not too concerned with length or girth at this stage, but pumping does seem to help EQ… Except now I’m trying to avoid the problem of the vas deferens getting sucked into the tube. Hence my questions.

Originally Posted by Josh 14-11
Lampwick,

I originally had a MiteyVac pump with a gauge, but the handle broke and now I just use oral suction… trying not to pull the scrotum up at all. I don’t mind some skin being pulled up… but the vas is another matter. Oral suction works fine, but I wish I could figure out how to attach the gauge itself to the line just to check on the inches Hg.

Penis shape… thicker at the base; with a slight tapering toward the glans. Unfortunately, I have a weak spot or “kink” toward the base of the shaft so that my erections bend to the left. It’s not a problem unless I’m in the tube and accidentally push the tube toward the right; then it easily breaks the seal and vacuum.

I’m not packing the tube at all, and it would be almost impossible to keep a seal unless I had the 1-2” of bicycle inner tube to grip my shaft at the opening of the tube.

I’ve tried a wrap at the top of my scrotum using a strap of velcro, but that cut in too much. Other wraps seemed to interfer with keeping good contact with the mouth of the tube. Maybe someone else has a good suggestion of a ball wrap to use while pumping.

In the meantime, I went to the hardware store today and got an 8” length of 1-5/8” PVC. Small town store clerk was very helpful. I don’t have PVC glue at home to glue a cap on one end. He did it for my unnamed “project.” At least he didn’t ask what it was for. Now all I have to do is smooth out the open end and drill a hole in the cap for tubing. I know you suggested not going to a narrower diameter, but I’m tired of the vas-sucking thing. And yes, I know PVC is opaque, but I’ve done pumping for a couple years now and think I can kinda gauge “light pumping.”

With the additional information that you are thicker at the base, and that you are not packing the tube, even at the base, moving down to a smaller cylinder size makes sense.

I don’t blame you for being sick of the vas-sucking thing. If you were packing the tube at the base, some kind of loose scrotal wrap or ball stretcher might be enough for you to make it work, but you’re not. You need the smaller tube. Keep your current tube; with luck and persistence, you’ll need it in the future.

Originally Posted by Josh 14-11
I should have asked, “Why?” Why would “girth work” help any more than “length work” when it comes to improving EQ? What difference would it make how much you’re “packing” the tube? From what Avocet has shared here and elsewhere, the whole idea is simply to get regular, full erections to replace or supplement nocturnal erections a guy normally has.

I wouldn’t characterize it as girth work versus length work. I would characterize it as full expansion versus dimensionally constrained expansion. However, again, since you are not packing, you are not being dimensionally constrained. That is not the issue for you at present.

The bottom line is your EQ and whether what you are doing is working to improve that for you. You have a better chance now with the smaller tube. Keep with it! And with an opaque tube and without a gauge, please do be careful.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Very very good thread from one of the best posters on Thunders. Thanks

Curing my ED

Hey guys I’m just fucked. I’m young, 21 years old and impotent. Its very rare to get morning woods, i mean, wake up with a hard on. I know that i have nocturnal erections, but not many of them… Sexual thoughts and even hardcore porn don’t get me a spontaneous erection. I’m addicted to porn since my 11 years old. Yeah Internet did it. I only get a erection with a manual stimulation. I’m afraid to have sex because i know that my sexual system is sick, and I’m very depressed and anxious. I tried many times to stop porn and masturbation. One of this attempts, after 20 days of celibacy, my sexual health improved a lot. Than i lost the control and started my vicious cycle again, did a lot of hardcore clamping, porn… and my erections dropped. So I’m doing sports, swimming, meditation and focusing my mind studying physics, maths, chemistry and biology. I’m preparing for an exam. So I’m going to celibate myself again.

On 1º July i will start a new routine. No more porn, masturbation, etc. Ejaculations will occur through sexual dreams at night. My first goal is one month. During this period, every night I’m going to pump before sleep. I will take a hot shower, go to bed and use the pump. The routine is 5 sets of 5 min. Three sets of 4” and two of 5”. This pressure because i have a 8” inches BP penis. Low pressures (2”-3”) doesn’t work to me. Last week i did this set just one time, At night a got great wood. So i believe pumping can cure ED.

Avocet - I just read your first post in this thread (for the first time; I am not into the ed thing).

But I happened to hear a german urologist describe a study where guys with ed were assigned to one of two groups: the ones could pop a viagra whenever they wanted to have sex; the others had to pop one v before sleep, the idea behind being that the number of nocturnal erections should be increased thereby.

Results: nocturnal erections improved. After a period of some months viagra was discontinued in both groups. The guys who took viagra before sleep performed better than the others.

The authors concluded that noct. Erctions are the training camp of our d1cks.

Your repeated mini pumping sessions mimicking nocturnal erections of a young man reminded me of that study.


Later - ttt

I read that study, too, ttt, and was especially interested because I had done a similar protocol some years ago on my own. I began taking smallish amounts of V or Cialis regularly, regardless of sexual opportunity and did so for well over 6 mos; more like 8. The result was bountiful nocturnal erections and good sexual ones, but my little study was getting expensive so I cut back. Was surprised that very little changed. The nocturnal erections continued. And, I can use lower doses of the ED drugs and still get the same good effect for sex.

This same protocol is being used more and more for guys who have had prostate cancer. As soon as they are healed from whatever procedure they chose or was chosen for them, they are encouraged to take daily doses of the ED drugs to help kick-start them back to good performance.


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avocet8

Originally Posted by bugasman

No more porn, masturbation, etc. Ejaculations will occur through sexual dreams at night. My first goal is one month. During this period, every night I’m going to pump before sleep. I will take a hot shower, go to bed and use the pump. The routine is 5 sets of 5 min. Three sets of 4” and two of 5”. This pressure because i have a 8” inches BP penis. Low pressures (2”-3”) doesn’t work to me. Last week i did this set just one time, At night a got great wood. So i believe pumping can cure ED.

Sounds like a program to me, bugas.

But don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s okay to have sex and masturbate now and then; in fact, good for your plumbing.


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avocet8

If you are a complete newbie with pumping, is it wise to start this program with sets of 6 x 5 mins, or work up to it? I want to enhance my erection, not focusing on enlarging it right now.

Bump

Originally Posted by phallimax
If you are a complete newbie with pumping, is it wise to start this program with sets of 6 x 5 mins, or work up to it? I want to enhance my erection, not focusing on enlarging it right now.

From the very post thread in the thread:

“Allow the erection from the first 5 minute pump to subside and then start all over from first base. Blood pours in again, does its tissue oxygenation and its cleaning of your vessels. Allow the second erection to subside, then start yet again working up to 4 - 6 individual pumps per session, each giving you an erection, or a partial, in the tube.” [Emphasis added]

So, yes, work up to it.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Thank you for your reply, but I was thinking about for how many days you should work up to it I.e 1 day 1x5 min, next day 2x5 and so on.

There is no harm in going slow. Try a week pumping five minutes a day at low vacuum, and evaluate your EQ (erectile quality) after that. If your erections are at least as good then as when you started, go to two 5 minute sessions a day in the second week, with a break in between the two 5 minute sessions. Re-evaluate after the second week.

Increase by one 5 minute session a week until you are up to the four to six 5 minute sessions a day that Avocet8 recommends. If at any point your erections are worse than they have been, adjust your schedule downward - start taking some rest days, or take away one 5 minute session per set (or both). All this should be leading to better erections, not worse. If your erections are getting worse, chances are you are overdoing.


For Lampwick, becoming hung like a donkey was the result of a total commitment.

Pumping for ED

I plan on using pumping to help my ED. I plan on starting out doing one 5 min session at a low hg. As a newbie how many times per week

should I do this routine?

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