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Minimal gains pumping before finding this site.

Minimal gains pumping before finding this site.

I started this thread in someone elses post because I didn’t have enough posts to start my own. So now that I can start my own thread I wanted to move this great info to possibly help someone else.

I’m hoping you guys will help me here. I pumped for 8 months back in 2002. I wasn’t real happy with my results because I didn’t gain much and I really worked at it. I have the top dollar electric pump with 2X9 - 4X9? (For balls & dick) - and head enlarger cylinder. I followed DR. Kaplans instr. To a Tee. I did get some flaccid length and girth out of it but very little when erect. Could you guys tell me what I might have done wrong?

I started doing regular PE now 1.5 months into it and already I think I’m .250” longer erect. Anyway, I was just wondering when I was pumping I had a 9” long tube. After an hour (with breaks) of it, my penis was out to 8.250” 3/4” shy of filling it. Does this mean that I have that potential stuck inside me and I just need to get it out? I’m also thinking about pumping again since I now have this forum to get help.

Thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by wantit2bbig
… I pumped for 8 months back in 2002. I wasn’t real happy with my results because I didn’t gain much and I really worked at it…Could you guys tell me what I might have done wrong?

I started doing regular PE now 1.5 months into it and already I think I’m .250” longer erect. Anyway, I was just wondering when I was pumping I had a 9” long tube. After an hour (with breaks) of it, my penis was out to 8.250” 3/4” shy of filling it. Does this mean that I have that potential stuck inside me and I just need to get it out? I’m also thinking about pumping again since I now have this forum to get help.

Thanks

Peforeal’s reply:

In response to your first question, you might want to give more details of how you were pumping,i.e. pressure, time, duration, etc.

If you were 8.25” erect while pumping but your regular erect bone-pressed length is 7.125”, then I say you have great potential for length gains. It’s interesting that there is over a 1 inch length difference between your regular erect length and your pumped erect length. In my whole time as a pumper, the most difference I’ve ever had is 1/4 to 3/8”, and that difference has remained fairly constant from my original size to where I am today. Maybe in your case, it’s the quality of your regular erection that’s causing the difference in size. It’s certainly worth your consideration to renew your pumping regimen.


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Quote:
Originally Posted by peforeal
In response to your first question, you might want to give more details of how you were pumping,I.e. Pressure, time, duration, etc.

If you were 8.25” erect while pumping but your regular erect bone-pressed length is 7.125”, then I say you have great potential for length gains. It’s interesting that there is over a 1 inch length difference between your regular erect length and your pumped erect length. In my whole time as a pumper, the most difference I’ve ever had is 1/4 to 3/8”, and that difference has remained fairly constant from my original size to where I am today. Maybe in your case, it’s the quality of your regular erection that’s causing the difference in size. It’s certainly worth your consideration to renew your pumping regimen.

Peforeal,

Thanks for reply. I’m glad you think I have a lot of potential for length. I hope you’re right. I don’t think it’s erection problem I use a cock ring all the time for measurements and pumping and sex, very consistent. I guess it could be better though it sure don’t work like Ocifar’s the guy from a lot of the how to vids here.

I pumped 5 days on 2 off always did it unless I was sick. I have all this documented. Pressure was -5 to -10 as directed by Dr. Joel instructions although sometimes I would put my finger over the hole on valve for quick pump up (maybe 3 seconds). I can’t remember if that’s when it went up to 8.250 or just regular pressure (either way it got there).

I pumped at least an hour every time I pumped (actual time pumping). I used the 2X9 cyl MWF and 4X9 cyl T&Th. I didn’t use the head cyl much it made me cum soon after I put it on. I pumped for 15-20 min then took a break for 10 min then did it again. Do you pump with electric pump like mine?

Hopefully now you can tell me why after 8 months of doing that regiment. All I got was .250 length and no girth erect gains. Flaccid I got .500 length and .125 girth. Which I lost some of when I stopped. I’m not trying to drop any newbies hopes. I just need to know so I can move on. Dr. Joel’s site said 1-3 inches and 25% in girth in 6 months. I’m a skeptic so I didn’t believe that but I was hoping for at least an inch in length and a little more girth than I got at 8 months.

Thanks

Pic of system I have.
Http://www.drjoelkaplan.com/shop/im…productid=16133


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Quote:
Originally Posted by wantit2bbig
Peforeal,
…I pumped 5 days on 2 off always did it unless I was sick. I have all this documented. Pressure was -5 to -10 as directed by Dr. Joel instructions although sometimes I would put my finger over the hole on valve for quick pump up (maybe 3 seconds). I can’t remember if that’s when it went up to 8.250 or just regular pressure (either way it got there).

I pumped at least an hour every time I pumped (actual time pumping). I used the 2X9 cyl MWF and 4X9 cyl T&Th. I didn’t use the head cyl much it made me cum soon after I put it on. I pumped for 15-20 min then took a break for 10 min then did it again. Do you pump with electric pump like mine?

Hopefully now you can tell me why after 8 months of doing that regiment. All I got was .250 length and no girth erect gains. Flaccid I got .500 length and .125 girth. Which I lost some of when I stopped….

wantit2bbig,

All of my pumping experience is with a manual pump and not an electric pump like you have. Based on what you describe, I have some thoughts as to why your permanent gains may have been less than you hoped for. First of all, keeping the pressure between 5 to 10” hg seems way too high to subject your cock to regularly. I try to keep my pumping at 5” or less almost all of the time, with only an occasional and few seconds burst to 7”. I take mini pumping breaks around every 10 minutes. The fact that you were pumping 5 days/week at these higher pressures may have put too much stress on your dick, causing post-pumping retraction rather than expansion. At least you did make some permanent gains, and that is good news.

Secondly,during your 10 minute pumping breaks did you jelq for circulation? This is very important to keep your dick healthy during the pumping program. Also during your breaks, shake out your dick, gently slap it against your thighs… anything for increased circulation and blood flow. Now when you resume pumping again, if at any time your dick feels fatigued and not as responsive to pumping, then just stop for a few days and take a break. You won’t lose anything, and it’s just your dick saying it’s time for a recovery hiatus.

I’m assuming that your 2 x 9 was for your dick only and your 4 x 9 was for pumping both your dick and ballsac simulataneously. One last suggestion is to try to keep a max natural erection while in the tube. This will help to maximize the pumping results and minimize lymph buildup. If you have some cheap generic viagra available, pop a small 1/4 tab every now and then during your pumping routine to help the cause.

Peforeal


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Quote:
Originally Posted by peforeal
First of all, keeping the pressure between 5 to 10” hg seems way too high to subject your cock to regularly. I try to keep my pumping at 5” or less almost all of the time, with only an occasional and few seconds burst to 7”. I take mini pumping breaks around every 10 minutes. The fact that you were pumping 5 days/week at these higher pressures may have put too much stress on your dick, causing post-pumping retraction rather than expansion.

So I guess Kaplan’s instructions were wrong. I followed them to a Tee and they got me almost nowhere. I Never took that many short breaks. Well that sucks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by peforeal
Secondly,during your 10 minute pumping breaks did you jelq for circulation? This is very important to keep your dick healthy during the pumping program. Also during your breaks, shake out your dick, gently slap it against your thighs.. Anything for increased circulation and blood flow.

I never Jelqed before finding this site. Man, I wish I would have known that. I hope I didn’t cause any problems to myself by doing this wrong. Please reply

Quote:
Originally Posted by peforeal
I’m assuming that your 2 x 9 was for your dick only and your 4 x 9 was for pumping both your dick and ball sac simultaneously. One last suggestion is to try to keep a max natural erection while in the tube. This will help to maximize the pumping results and minimize lymph buildup. If you have some cheap generic Viagra available, pop a small 1/4 tab every now and then during your pumping routine to help the cause.

Yes, 4X9 is for both. I did keep a good erection by watching porn vids. Where is best place to get generic Viagra?

Do you think I have the right size (2X9) tube for my girth? I don’t think I will use the combo tube any more. What about the head enlarger tube. I bought into the BS about needing electric pump to keep constant vacuum. I guess I didn’t need it seeing the gains you got with out it.

When should I start using the pump again? Privacy issues can be a problem but I’ll get it done. I may even sell the electric pump and buy a car brake vacuum hand pump. It will be a lot quieter.

I know compared to some people on here and other sites that my dick isn’t the smallest but because I’m 6-4 230 lbs it really looks small on me. I’d be very happy with NBPEL of 8” and girth at 6.5. Does this sound obtainable to you? I hope so. I sure could use your help getting there and help from others on this site.

A big thanks Peforeal!


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

wantit2bbig,

Yes, 4X9 is for both. I did keep a good erection by watching porn vids. Where is best place to get generic Viagra?

Go to this thread for the latest info on sites selling generic cialis and viagra.
mravg - Closing down all the generic drug web sites/and finding open sites for generic drugs
I really used to like omnigenonline.com for price and quality, but the government shut them down the last time I looked.

Do you think I have the right size (2X9) tube for my girth? I don’t think I will use the combo tube any more. What about the head enlarger tube. I bought into the BS about needing electric pump to keep constant vacuum. I guess I didn’t need it seeing the gains you got with out it.

Your 2 x 9 is fine, especially if you’re trying to concentrate on length and girth gains for your dick rather than your whole dick/ballsac package with the 4 x 9. For privacy, you can’t beat a quieter manual pump/cylinder. In fact, I don’t even use the pump anymore, preferring to use mouth suction power to create my vacuum. That’s about as quiet as you can get.

When should I start using the pump again? Privacy issues can be a problem but I’ll get it done. I may even sell the electric pump and buy a car brake vacuum hand pump. It will be a lot quieter.

You could start anytime. Just try to incorporate some of the suggestions I’ve made before, especially about time in tube, jelqing, breaks, etc.

I know compared to some people on here and other sites that my dick isn’t the smallest but because I’m 6-4 230 lbs it really looks small on me. I’d be very happy with NBPEL of 8” and girth at 6.5. Does this sound obtainable to you? I hope so. I sure could use your help getting there and help from others on this site.

As I said before, you already have good size,so your goals seem obtainable. I can relate to the comparison of dick size to frame size. It’s all about proportions. Just commit to this for the longterm, and you’ll get there.

Peforeal


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

NelsonNelson post

You can always use an inner tube that is as long as the cylinder so that your dick doesn’t want to get girthy but want to get longer that way you can use the same cylinder for both to make it longer and to add more girth the only thing you have to do is change the inner tube for a shorter one for girth and longer inner tube to add length.


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Nelson,

Could you explain this better? I think you’re telling me to cut I-Tube then slip it over erection, right? If so explain the rest of it.

Peforeal,

What about eye problems from these pills?

Quote:
Originally Posted by peforeal
As I said before, you already have good size,so your goals seem obtainable. I can relate to the comparison of dick size to frame size. It’s all about proportions. Just commit to this for the long term, and you’ll get there.

Yeh, If I was 5-6 I’d look pretty big but then I wouldn’t be able to reach the top shelf without a step stool.
I’m committed or I need to be.

Here’s my routine now. What should I stop doing to add pumping?

5 days on 2 off but it varies depending on pain.

I’m a month and a half into PE.

Stretch at different times through the day. I work at home so I stretch pretty much. Is that ok?

Jelq, for up to 40 minutes. 100 at SE, 100 at SW, 100 at E, 100 at W, 100 at N, This is all made harder because I have the Turkey neck problem. I can only use one hand to Jelq. I also have to stretch my ball sack with Velcro strap. What a pain. It would be easier and faster using 2 hands.

In between these Jelqs I swing and tap it against my knee and then slinky left, right, up, and down while moving one hand out and counting to ten. I do this pretty fast.

I’m not sure since I haven’t measured but this seems to be adding girth. It looks thicker flaccid and erect but it could be the Jelqs to but I know that I never kept extra girth as long when I pumped. This girth seems to stay. I don’t think I lost any of it yet.

Then 2 days of my exercising, usually 1st and 3rd days. I hang with 5 lbs for 2 sets of 20 min.

I do at least 20 minutes a day of Kegels.

(Night) Before I sleep I do 5 sets of Uli #3’s. I want a bigger head.

Thanks guys


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

NelsonNelson post

The inner tube goes inside the cylinder and you penis goes inside the inner tube while you vacuum the air out of the cylinder but you have to make longer interval’s between vacuum releases something like 15 - 20 minutes before releasing the vacuum for more length.

Hope that helps

Before I sleep I do 5 sets of Uli #3’s. I want a bigger head.

Try a bigger tube and get a powerful vacuum pump and release vacuum every 15 - 30 seconds to get a bigger head.

I use a refrigerator compressor off one of those mini refrigerators you know the small ones that is about 3 feet high
I was lucky and found one that didn’t work and got it free because the Freon leaked out “R 12” leaked out. Yea you need a powerful vacuum pump for that and release the vacuum every 15 - 30 seconds or so. Do not use a powerful vacuum pump for lengthening the penis though.

I do it that way and I can achieve 7 1/2 inches circumference “around” the shaft of my penis in about 30 minutes or less with vacuum and release method


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Quote:
Originally Posted by wantit2bbig
Peforeal,

What about eye problems from these pills?

Here’s my routine now. What should I stop doing to add pumping?

5 days on 2 off but it varies depending on pain…I’m a month and a half into PE…Stretch at different times through the day… I work at home so I stretch pretty much. Is that ok?…Jelq, for up to 40 minutes…In between these Jelqs I swing and tap it against my knee and then slinky left, right, up, and down while moving one hand out and counting to ten. ..Then 2 days of my exercising, usually 1st and 3rd days. I hang with 5 lbs for 2 sets of 20 min…I do at least 20 minutes a day of Kegels…(Night) Before I sleep I do 5 sets of Uli #3’s. I want a bigger head…

wantit2bbig,

I’ve never had any problems whatsover, visual or otherwise, with small doses of generic viagra,i.e 25 mg or less. I don’t take it everytime I pump but occasionally during a pumping session just to accelerate a maximized erect length in the tube. It’s a fun alternative.

To add pumping, I would still continue to do the occasional stretching during the day and just incorporate the pumping with your jelqing (for example, 10 minutes pumping + 10 minutes jelqing and repeat three to five times). Look out for maintaining positive PI’s as you add pumping to your routine.

On other days, you could also do a hanging/pumping routine, maybe doing your hanging routine first and then finishing off with two pumping/jelqing sessions 10 minutes each. These are just suggestions. You need to try them out on your body and see what happens. If your dick is staying healthy looking and you can still get good erections, then continue on. Make sure you allow for rest days during the week.

Peforeal


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Nelson,

I have a strong enough elec vac pump from Dr. Joel’s website. Do you think my tube for dick and balls combo will work to enlarge my head? It’s around 4X9. I still don’t get what you mean about inner tube for shaft girth work.

Peforeal,

That’s good to know about no problems with generic Viagra. This sounds like a good routine I will start it in 2 weeks when I’m at 2 months of PE. I’ll let you know how it’s going.

Thanks again guys

Now that I’m over 20 posts I’m going to try to move this whole discussion to it’s own thread. I hope Thunder doesn’t mind. It’s too much good info to get lost in this thread. I’ll wait til tomorrow to see if anyone says not to do this. Or maybe Thunder will move it himself.


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

Quote:
Originally Posted by wantit2bbig

Now that I’m over 20 posts I’m going to try to move this whole discussion to it’s own thread. I hope Thunder doesn’t mind. It’s too much good info to get lost in this thread. I’ll wait til tomorrow to see if anyone says not to do this. Or maybe Thunder will move it himself.

Probably a good idea to start your own thread on your PE journey and preserve MadDog’s thread on cylinder sizing.


(Started 2/21/06) BPEL 7.125 - NBPEL 5.625 - MSEG 5.625

(As of 8/23/07) BPEL 7.5 - NBPEL 6.000 - MSEG 5.87

2nd goal is BPEL 7.750 NBPEL of 6.250" and EG 6" - Long term goal is NBPEL 8" - Girth 6.50

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