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Ever heard of the BRAVA System?

Originally Posted by gprent
That is the exact way I am pumping now. Even though I am on break right now, I believe this method of pumping was key in cementing the new flaccid hang I currently enjoy, as well as my erect gains. I could easily go at low pressure like this for 45 minutes to an hour with no donut effect, yet still be packing the tube near the end of the set. And the low pressure does feel GREAT! :)

Yeah, I’m thinking…throw in IR for the duration…and you might see something good!

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Yeah, I’m thinking…throw in IR for the duration…and you might see something good!

I never pump without heat. I wrap the tube with an electric heat pad, but IR is good. I’m thinking that guys that use IR bulbs must occasionally get burnt when they accidentally touch that hot bulb. Ouch!

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I think this is a different mechanism, closer to PE.

When women finish nursing, they usually lose a lot of breast size.

The Brava folks claim permanent enlargement.

Well of course. I’m not talking about lactation hormones all the way to full milk production. But usually women who have breastfed do end up having larger breasts than before they got pregnant. I suppose if a woman knew she was going to be celibate for a year she might try it. Maybe I am being too skeptical.


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Originally Posted by zaneblue
Well of course. I’m not talking about lactation hormones all the way to full milk production. But usually women who have breastfed do end up having larger breasts than before they got pregnant.

Only while they are breast feeding…afterwards they usually have decreased breast size.

Even assuming the Brava system works as advertised, I don’t think the principles that underlie that system (low pressure over long periods of time) would necessarliy affect the tunica the same way it affects breast tissue. Breast tissue is composed of relatively randomly oriented collagen arranged in some sort of 3D matrix. However, the tunica consists of very densely packed collagen fibers all aligned either axially (for the outer layer) or circumferentially (for the inner layer). So, it seems to me that penis enlargement would require a different kind of approach than breast enlargement.


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Originally Posted by sparkyx
Only while they are breast feeding…afterwards they usually have decreased breast size.

Just curious, do you have data on that? Speaking as a mom who breastfed both her children and read up and had training for it, as far as I know even after the milk has dried up the breasts usually gain, sometimes a cup size over pre-pregnancy breast size. I went from a B to a DD myself, same weight.


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I believe it would work. It’s something I’ve wanted to do for a couple of years now, but never managed to come up with a suitable device.

I saw the Brava system on a daytime tv program here in the UK a couple of years back, where they got some women to do a before and after. It worked in all cases, though some were more dramatic than others.

Sparkyx, I think you might be interested in reading the Dr Kevin Pezzi book “Advanced Enlargement”. His advice was that if someone were to try this, then to go no higher than 30mmHG, and pointed out that capillary closure pressure is around 27-32mmHg (varies between individuals, health and activities), which you’d want to stay below if doing something like this passively.

I would also take steps to increase growth hormone such as described in the Elixir thread, but low tissue stress alone will probably do that to some extent. Pezzi also advocates the DHT cycling, though personally I have little faith in that area, as it’s very difficult to defeat a multi-faceted feedback loop.

Originally Posted by zaneblue
Just curious, do you have data on that? Speaking as a mom who breastfed both her children and read up and had training for it, as far as I know even after the milk has dried up the breasts usually gain, sometimes a cup size over pre-pregnancy breast size. I went from a B to a DD myself, same weight.

No, just in all the women I know that breast fed complain of what happens afterward.

You are the first woman I have ever heard say she gained from it.

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Even assuming the Brava system works as advertised, I don’t think the principles that underlie that system (low pressure over long periods of time) would necessarliy affect the tunica the same way it affects breast tissue. Breast tissue is composed of relatively randomly oriented collagen arranged in some sort of 3D matrix. However, the tunica consists of very densely packed collagen fibers all aligned either axially (for the outer layer) or circumferentially (for the inner layer). So, it seems to me that penis enlargement would require a different kind of approach than breast enlargement.

While I understand and accept your point regarding the different tissue design and strengths, I think it’s important to consider that what we’d be doing here is not overcoming the mechanical strength of any tissues. The stress would be tiny. The idea of this method is fundamentally different to conventional PE in that the latter has a program of “I’ve damaged this tissue, now go repair it body please”. Where there’s life, there’s will, and by altering the programming on a cellular level (by environmental change triggering adaptation), growth could be possible without any trauma or damage. It’s all locked up in that DNA, it just needs are reason to wake up. That applies to skin, bone, connective tissue, liver, even the brain! Well, maybe not everyones brain :D But the point is that all tissue structures are made by design, and the stimulus to remodel that design doesn’t require brute force, but impetus.


Last edited by Shiver : 09-11-2005 at .

Originally Posted by Shiver
I saw the Brava system on a daytime tv program here in the UK a couple of years back, where they got some women to do a before and after. It worked in all cases, though some were more dramatic than others.

I think the BRAVA people skew the results.

There are forums for gals using the system. It seems to work really well for many, but not all.

One of the problems is compliance…it can be quite difficult to wear that thing 10-13 hrs a day.

Women report problems like rashes and lactation can occur.

I would seem fair to expect condensation would be an issue in something like that design. I would have thought lactation would be fairly common (though I haven’t searched). Another case of stress/response. I guess they could go crazy and do 10Hg for 20 minutes and get ‘breast donut’ for a temporary fix for the friday night out :)


Last edited by Shiver : 09-11-2005 at .

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
Even assuming the Brava system works as advertised, I don’t think the principles that underlie that system (low pressure over long periods of time) would necessarliy affect the tunica the same way it affects breast tissue. Breast tissue is composed of relatively randomly oriented collagen arranged in some sort of 3D matrix. However, the tunica consists of very densely packed collagen fibers all aligned either axially (for the outer layer) or circumferentially (for the inner layer). So, it seems to me that penis enlargement would require a different kind of approach than breast enlargement.

There have been procedures where they insert steel rods into leg bones and slowly apply pressure to extend the length…and it works.

The collagan, ligaments, muscle, nerves,blood vessels, well …just about everything in the leg has to lengthen along with the bone.

I think there are few tissues in the human frame that doesn’t respond to slow steady pressure, either pulling or compression…thats out of necessity.

In penis enlargement I think we have two major ways of expanding the tissue.

One is frank force, enough to overcome the inherent integrity of the tissue. Force that exceeds the tissues ability to maintain its present proportions. Deformation force.

Two, a much milder force that causes stimulation of cellular changes. I think that the BRAVA system is in this category. (personally I feel this category can lead to the greatest AMOUNT of change.)

I think a really successful pe program can use the best of these two and produce fairly sustained expansion over a period of time.

Originally Posted by Shiver
I would seem fair to expect condensation would be an issue in something like that design. I would have thought lactation would be fairly common (though I haven’t searched). Another case or stress/response. I guess they could go crazy and do 10Hg for 20 minutes and get ‘breast donut’ for a temporary fix for the friday night out :)

I know you are kidding, but since you brought it up… they are unable to vary the forces.

It is programmed into the chip in the pump itself.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Women report problems like rashes and lactation can occur.

Told ya!

Hm, did some poking around on the Internet, seems a good number of women get bigger and a good number get smaller—but we all get saggier! :( I suppose the little blighters are worth it.


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Originally Posted by sparkyx

What do you think if maybe we used 1/2 to 1 in hg all nite for 10 wks?

I don’t think that is a good idea. Keeping your penis is a vacuum all night can cause blood clots. Take it from me, its happend to me and it ain’t pretty. You need to allow circulation i.e. regular frequent breaks from the vacuum. Maybe the low pressure might allow enough circulation, but if it does not you will be in a world of hurt. Swelling, pain, infection, possible permanent damage, or worse - amputation. Do you feel Lucky?

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