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Cycling pressure up and down...work those ligs baby!!!

I like this method, I stay at about 5 hg, go up to 10 hg, kegel heavy, stay for a minute, go back down. keep doign that for about 20 minutes and I am as long as I’ve ever been inside the tube.


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any updates? hows everybody doing thats using this technique? Ive almost finished week two. Im reaching 6.75 in length by the end of session which I never did before. With regular pumping on a really good day, I could get 6.5.


Trying to live up to my username! 6/9/04 BPEL: 6.25 EG: 4.75 2/28/05 BPEL: 6.5 EG: 4.75 4/17/05 BPEL: 6.625 EG: 4.875

Milking the tube question

When you milk the tube during pumping, how fast or slow should you go on each stroke for it to be effective? Is it too fast if you do it at quickie masturbation speed? Also, how far should you pull the tube? From my experience, I will lose the seal if I try to pull it way up near the glans.

Hey guys!

Newbie here, been trying to digest all the info.

How about this…hot rice rap for 5 minutes to warm the connective tissue. Cycle pumping 20-30 sec pressure, 20-30 sec release. Kagel while under pressure. Keep rice on (heat) the entire time to maximize stretch. 10-15 min cycles, keep hot between cycles. Number of cycles? Finish with either cock ring or some moderate constriction or low pressure in tube———cool down penis while in the extended state to normal temperature and hold for 20-30 minutes. I think this will cover some of the best features that have been working for guys. I don’t suggest using ice, I think either cool tap water, or just letting it cool in the air would probably work best. I believe this should lead to great lengthening of connective tissues. To cement gains, I think switching to prolonged wear of moderate constriction cock ring or long time (1 hour?) in the tube at low pressures like 1-2 in.hg to stimulate actual tissue growth.

What do you think? The only other factor is max in.hg…Kaplan recommends between 5-10 in hg. Does anyone have his booklet? I can’t help but wonder if that 40% of force needed for ligament failure is the difference between successes and not. Just trying to put the physiologic pieces together.

Really, if anyone has the Kaplan recommendations from his manuals, please let me know what they are. He is currently doing a study to prove growth in six weeks.

Thanks

Originally Posted by sparkyx
To cement gains, I think switching to prolonged wear of moderate constriction cock ring or long time (1 hour?) in the tube at low pressures like 1-2 in.hg to stimulate actual tissue growth.
What do you think?

My guess is you’ll do better in the long run by leaving the tube every 10 min. or so and taking off the ring just briefly. It is well-oxygenated blood that performs the healing so you want to make sure you are getting a constant supply of that.


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avocet8

Avocet,
Thanks for the reply.
I’ve been really studying the info, trying to get some feel for what actually may be occurring. Interesting in that I’ve noticed that water pumping seems to have a similar effect as condom pumping. I tried both briefly. Its’ easier to condom pump, because I have to do water pumping in the tub. I believe what is happening with the condom pumping is this. Under vacuum, the fluids in the penis will move toward the area of decrease pressure. There are two major effects, the fluid moving within the circulatory system and penis hydraulics, and the fluid that moves into the inter-cellular space. The fluid moving within the circulatory system and the penis hydrolysis is productive, extracellular fluid build up is counterproductive. The important factors are vacuum and time. The vacuum over time will cause the cell walls of the capillaries and lymphatics to actually separate slightly, allowing fluid to escape into the area surrounding the tissues, filling them with either blood or lymph. The lower the pressure, the less chance. The less time, less chance. So…to prevent extra cellular fluid, you have found that you must either limit the vacuum,limit the time or both. The problem is, a certain amount of timeXforce is needed to produce changes. I believe that this is why pumpers have found that PE with pumping gets better results. I think that PEs produce much higher internal pressures than most pumpers use. Pumping pressure is limited by the extracellular fluid accumulation (lymph, bruising, discolouration etc.)
So, what is going on with condom pumping? I believe that of all the tissues of the penis, the skin is probably the first to “leak” fluids into the extracellular space. By applying a counter force to the vacuum, you get a reduction in the net vacuum force. For example, lets say you are applying 6 in hg vacuum, and the condom is applying 2 psi, you are getting about 4 in hg of vacuum force to the skin (may not actually be that exact amount, but you get the idea). It seems to however not diminish the force exerted on the deeper tissues. Plus, it seems that if the fluid is not migrating into the skin, it may help cause a greater migration into the deeper tissues. Either that or by allowing you to use a greater vacuum, you are able to generate higher forces, which then have a greater effect in the deeper tissues.
Think about it, why should PE be necessary? Forces on the tissue walls should be the same whether it is being generated internally or externally. The only difference would be on the valves of the penis (this may turn out to be an important effect). Think about jelqing, 2-3 sec duration…right? Probably pretty high pressures. How about using a safe base line of in hg like 3 and take it up to 7-10 for 1-3 seconds? More might be needed, I don’t know. I believe it should have a similar effect to jelqing, maybe even better. The condom would then apply counter pressure to the skin, allowing the higher pressures to be used with minimum to no swelling and discoloration.
This is all speculation on my part, trying to figure this stuff out. Why do some get results, and other not? I believe that there are 2 basic factors that have to be dealt with (possibly 3).
1. Generating sufficient forceXtime to create tissue deformation (micro-damage to tissues).
2. Allowing enough recovery time to allow micro-damage repair, producing a net gain.
3. Stimulating a cellular growth response (like pressure applied to bone stimulates increased density).

What I like about pumping, is that it can be quantified… jelqing is anyones guess as to what forces are being produced. Therefore reproducing the effects of pumping should be easier. I believe that the reason that lower pressure pumping works is that the damage produced is small enough that you can recover in a day or two. High pressure pumpers may need 1-3 days off for full recovery(too much damage may produce scarring). I believe that the reason jelqing works is that you can generate enough force to cause deformation of some of the ligamentous structures that may take crazy high pumping pressures to replicate. I think that (possibly) with condom pumping at considerable pressures (apx 10-12 in hg) done for 1-3 second “jelques” you may be able to achieve everything that pumping and jelqing can do for you. The only difference is that if it works, we can pass on a objectifiable, and repeatable procedure’s other could use. The only variables ( important ones) would be the vacuum range, time and recover. For example, start off at 2-3 in hg for 1X 10 min the first week, with 50 tube “jelques” to 5 in hg for 1 sec, every other day. Second week, 15 min at 2-3 in hg, with 50 tube jelques. So on, (like your beginner routine). After reaching 3X10 min tube time with 50 jelques between, you can begin to move the pressures up by 1 in hg/ week. You should chart progress…size in tube, preworkout erection size, hardness of erections. At some point you will begin to see diminishing returns, at that point drop back to the last productive pressures, or increase recovery time. The problem with penis enlargement is that there at least a few variables that we are working with, which makes this more of an art, and less of a science. I believe by minimizing the variables, we can approach it more as a science and with all of us experimenting, we should be able to make some real inroads in figuring this out!
ps this is just my thoughts, but I’d love to get some feedback from you experienced guys out there!

Originally Posted by b1nzen48
I have been experimenting with this method the last couple of sessions and would like to hear comments from others who have used it. What I have been doing is pumping up to pressure hold it for a 20sec. count then release the pressure for a 20sec. count then pump up topressure to repeat the cycling for all but the last 2min. of the session which I hold at static pressure. I am now doing 4 10min. sessions with a 5min. break of jelqing and squeezes in between using this method. What I have observed is that I now pack the tube after a couple of sessions whereas before with static pumping pressure I wasn’t. Second, by the time I finish the last session I have increased my length in the tube by at least 1/2”. My theory is that by cycling up and down I am taking full advantage of the body’s reflex mechanizm for tissue expansion and contraction, also I think this method may promote more efficient cell division by constantly supplying fresh oxygen to the cells through more constant blood exchange in the cc and cs. hence the faster expansion and lengthening without water retention in the tube (the balloon effect?). I’m no expert on this theory, but it seems to me that this is the logical way of thinking about it. Or am I wrong???

Great old thread on pressure cycling.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what an optimum length of cycle would be ?

Originally Posted by capernicus1
Great old thread on pressure cycling.

Does anyone have any thoughts on what an optimum length of cycle would be ?

Hard to say what the best optimum cycle would be..
If I planning short sets like 8-10 min, 1 min cycles is good and long sets 30-45 min 5 minutescycles do good..
But everybody talking about they packing the tube whit this routine!. I have done this routine a couple of times and I don’t pack the tube? I just reach more lenght in my cylinder and my head gets bigger than normal..
Am I doin some wrong and don’t pack the sides??

Please help, Tnx

Originally Posted by mr.lover

But everybody talking about they packing the tube whit this routine!. I have done this routine a couple of times and I don’t pack the tube? I just reach more lenght in my cylinder and my head gets bigger than normal..

Am I doin some wrong and don’t pack the sides??

What is the diameter of your cylinder? If you use a wide cylinder then you will have difficulty packing.

Use a tube that is close to your erect girth.

My erect girth is about 5.5” or a bit less and I use a 1.75” tube. I pack it quickly so all enlargement goes to length.

I have a 2” and 2.25” tube but almost never use them. I don’t like the swelling I get from them. Its all fluid.

Someday if I ever reach my length goal of 7” NBP I will start using the 2”.

I use an 2” cylinder and my base girth is a little bit over 6”.. maybe it takes more time for me with the girth thing?


Starting size: 7.48" X 5.51" Currently: 10.1" X 6.4"

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