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Condom pumping

Hello Pumpers,

About a month ago I gave something a try and took notes on it. It is a brain storm really, and the resulting observations from an experiment. It is very speculative and I am not looking to defend the ideas contained but I would very much like to know what you guys think. If you read it through, you see my condom pumping results.

From my notes (edited): Condom Pumping

I can do two extreme Ulis with hardly any fluid build up. I get an temporary extra 0.5in. in girth, maybe a little more. If I try a third I start to get bloating under the skin. I wonder if I am stretching the tunica to the max and small pores are opening instead of further stretching. I fear these small pores could allow fluid to rush under the skin and thereby collapse the tunica, erasing potential gains.

It would be great if there were some way to make the skin of the penis more resistant to stretching than the tunica! Perhaps if one were to do e. ulis while wearing some sort of tough condom, or maybe even pumping while wearing some sort of tough condom. Hmm. What if the condom broke while under this large pressure in a pumping cylinder? That could be bad.

What if one just wore a condom and pumped up very quickly? If one could learn the pt. at which fluid transverses the tunica, they could stop before crossing it.

If I actually am developing small pores in the tunica during the third e. uli then it probably doesn’t make sense to do condom pump, condom e. uli or anything else because the tunica has reached it’s max and that is why it is developing small pores, if it actually is.

Maybe condom pumping would be a good supplementary route. Of course a condom or two will not match the strength of the tunica. Anything stronger and you need tremendous vacuum w/in the tube.

Maybe pores are an evolutionary mechanism to protect the tunica from too high pressure? Maybe the condom would work then if one could bypass the pores. Do I want to mess with what nature has created as a protective mechanism. Am I even close to being on track?

I decided to give the condom pumping thing a try. I loosely wrapped a small strip of silver theraband around my circumcision scar and then put on two condoms (standard Trojan non lubricated w/o a reservoir tip). I quickly pumped up to max pressure, that is when you keep pumping but without further vacuum.

So guess what happened?

The condoms come away from the penis. The basic result was that my penis was in a condom vacuum tube with a gap between the penis and the condom. This happened for the top third of my penis. It seems that once your head stops creeping further and further up the tube, the condoms do not. I hope that makes sense.

So I relieved the pressure to the point where the condoms were again resting on my penis, and then I released it a little more so that I would get some benefit from the condom. I held it at this point for 3 or 4 min.

Some interesting observations came out of the experiment.

1, I did get fluid free expansion, about 1/4 inch after removing the tube.

2, The base on the condoms (the part that is still rolled) acted as a sort of uli thing.

3, My penis came out of the tube strikingly warm. Not hot, but I was a little surprised how warm it was, as if none of the heat from my rice sock warm up had dissipated.

4, I could comfortably pump to a very high pressure which pulled the tube against my s. lig. I can’t quantify this, especially because my s. lig has been sore for a couple of weeks. This stretch was however relatively intense.

5, I did an e. uli 5 or 10 min latter and it was not noticeably more or less productive.

Conclusion:

This technique might be optimized by using a larger tube than what I have on hand and using a cock-ring while pumping. (I know this has been gone over many times.)

This might make for a good warm up.

This will not replace e. ulis for me.

I may play with this to optimize it a bit and because it fun because it is new (to me at least) and a little different.

I hope I didn’t rehash an old topic.

Cheers,
PS

PS

I’m going to think on this a bit.


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avocet8

At what HG pressures are you doing this routine, eg. with two condoms on and they lift off and later when you dropped the pressure and they did not?

If the rubber is uniformly pressing against the skin, it’s also pressing against the tunica. I’m trying to understand where the benefit is. Can you re-explain because I am apparently missing something. Thanks.

A8


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avocet8

Advocate,

I pumped to ~25in. HG. The key is the short time period. Newbes-don’t try this. It is dangerous and I may have been stupid to have done it.

Yes the rubber is against the skin. The basic idea was that maybe when the “pores” develop, fluid can not seep between the tunica and the skin at as high of a rate because the skins expansion is retarded by the condoms. The tunica still expands because at high pressure it is exerting a greater force on the condom/skin than then can push back on it. IOW, the pores develop but the fluid has no place to go.

Now I think that maybe something slightly different took place. This gets back to what I consider the classical thinking on pumping. The skin expands faster than the tunica, and when it expands fluid seeps between it and the tunica (maybe not pores resulting from max tunica expansion but just leaky blood and or lymp vessels) which results in a minimal tunica expansion. With the condoms, the skin is retarded enough so that the tunica can expand to a greater volume before fluid seepage occurs. If this is the case, it is good to pump up to a high pressure quickly and stay there for a short period of time. IOW, I one does not get pores because the tunica is maxed out, it is just that the skin expands faster allowing fluid to seep in and retard the tunicas expansion.

I am just throwing out ideas. I hope it doesn’t sound like I think I have this all figured out.

Hope that helps!

PS

I also think the unrolled part of the condoms acts like a uli thing or a cock ring in a sense. If one were to do this while wearing a cock ring, they could pull out on the tube and probably get a tremendous expansion. I have been meaning to try this also.

Fluid build-up is never a problem for me, likely because I don’t ever experiment with high pressure pumping. I hang in there where I know I’m safe.

In the interest of science , grin, I tried a modified version of what you suggest today. I did three sets each within my normal range which is now for me 5 - 8 in HG. For the last set I used one condom. I don’t have the kind you used because I couldn’t get one on without a major struggle. [that isn’t bragging, it’s just reality nowadays, thanks to PE].

I used a MagnumXL for the last set. I think MDC told us these are 5.5 width without any stretching, maybe a little more, I can’t remember. Anyway I’m 6.5 EG so even these are snug.

I coasted at the top of my range, 8 in HG or so for about 15 minutes this time, on the last set. The rubber never lifted from the skin.

Result: I had a rather deep indentation near the shaft base from the condom ring, which took a good while to even out. And now, 7 hrs later I am fatter than I would normally be from an early PE routine and I’m not much of a fluid retainer.

I think my experience was a fluke but if some other vets want to try this and report back, I’d be interested in hearing what happens because this was unusual. I have often used a cock ring with pumping without getting the fat hang I have just now.

Newbies? You wait until you are thoroughly conditioned before you mess around on your high end, you hear?


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avocet8

alternative to condom wrap

penismith and avocet8,

I just got through reading this thread, and it made me think about some of what I’ve been doing lately.

I’ve already been wrapping a one-inch area below my glans covering my circumcision scar whenever I pump. I use the ace self-adhesive bandage which grips and holds extremely well, rather than a condom. I do this to prevent any kind of donut in that area, to which I am susceptible.

The question is what would happen if I wrapped my entire shaft first and then pumped, thus preventing fluid buildup under the skin while forcing all of the pressure from pumping to be more internal? I’m going to become my own guinea pig this week, and report back to all of you later.

I already have good results with what I’ve been doing, so another question will be if wrapping more of the shaft while pumping will work the entire shaft in terms of making gains.

I love a good science experiment!

Later,
Peforeal

avocet8,
I envy your girth. Perhaps I will spend some time reading up on what you have written in this forum. I like that sound of being snug in a Magnum XL. Your result sounds interesting. Perhaps there is something to this condom pumping thing, perhaps not. Anyway, thanks for trying it out. I may experiment with it a little more in the future.

peforeal,
Have you been gaining any girth in this area that you wrap? It would be interesting if it were growing faster, but I suspect it is not.

I am very interested in hearing your results from wrapping the entire shaft. I think the result would depend on how how much give the bandage has which would depend on the way you wrap. If it has no or very little give, then the tunica can’t expand with the pressures possible with the pump. If it has a fair amount of give, you might (if this concept really works) gain girth at a higher rate than the standard way.

I would be curious to see what happened if you also tried using 1 or more condoms.

Anyway, thank you both for showing an interest in my thread. There is nothing more deflating (no pun intended) than watching a post fall of the first page with 0 replies.

PS

penismith,

You asked:
“Have you been gaining any girth in this area that you wrap? It would be interesting if it were growing faster, but I suspect it is not.”

Response: Yes, I’ve gained girth in the area that I wrap. What happens is when I finally exit the tube, I leave the wrap on for at least half an hour to prevent donut fluid buildup in the area around my circ. scar. Once I unwrap this area, my penis seems to even out all over in terms of a nice pumped look, even in the area that was wrapped. Now, I continue to make girth gains, but I also do other girth enhancing techniques, like dryjelqs, bends, etc.

“I am very interested in hearing your results from wrapping the entire shaft. “

Response:
I tried wrapping the entire shaft on Friday and then pumped. I wasn’t too pleased with the unevenness of my wrap and the overall results. It seemed to be a lot more effort than I normally have to put into this. I think a long time ago, I did try a condom wrap first before pumping. If I recall, what happened is that I seemed to get air trapped inside the condom, making it seem like a balloon in expansion mode. I’ll give it another try this week and check it out again. I’m game for a new experiment.

Happy to reply to a thread with a new twist,
Peforeal

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Originally posted by penismith
avocet8,
I envy your girth. Perhaps I will spend some time reading up on what you have written in this forum. I like that sound of being snug in a Magnum XL. Your result sounds interesting. Perhaps there is something to this condom pumping thing, perhaps not. Anyway, thanks for trying it out. I may experiment with it a little more in the future.

I started PE on the high side of girth (5.75). In 2.5 yrs I’ve added 3/4” only to that whereas peforeal, who started PE with less girth than I, has piled on much more proportionately in a comparable amount of time. We are all so different chemically and physiologically that I often wonder if there is any predictor of who will get what out of this [PE].

There is a lot of disagreement about girth benefits, but I feel strongly that in matters of girth, girth gainers can gain themselves out of the possibility of some kinds of pleasurable sex. Effective blow jobs, just to name one.

Right now I have to use condoms because it may be that I have become negatively susceptible to a certain bacteria which is common to all human bodies. I can’t afford more girth in this respect because they don’t make bigger condoms. If a guy with 7 inches of girth had to use condoms, he’d feel a pinch that would probably reduce his sexual pleasure by a good degree. Be careful what you wish for, is I guess what I’m saying.

But back to your original idea: I did try condom pumping again and the same thing happened. More hang than normal later in the day than would be normal. If my experience is not just coincidental to having a couple of especially good hang days, I have no idea what the mechanism is in this but I’d be very interested in learning about it.


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avocet8

Back to pumping

Hello,

I have started condom pumping again. I have only done it a few times in the last week but I am already noticing a significantly improved flaccid hand and stronger thicker erections.

I will keep you guys informed on my progress.

It feels funny to have this warm full penis flopping against my leg.

PS

Excellent thread.

I’ve only been pumping for two months and like a lot of newbies started with too much pressure and the resulting donut.

Then I ran across the thread here that mentioned using an ace bandage as a pressure bandage to reduce fluid buildup…and tried it…and as you guys have mentioned here- it works. I wrap at the glans down to 1/2” below the circumscion scar wrapping tightly when erect. Now I can get that good hard pull at 10-15”Hg without much fluid build up and have also noticed an increase in flaccid hang and girth.

Yesterday, as an experiment to see 1) how the increase would work with my GF and 2) how it would affect my sensitivity I pumped for 30 minutes until I had pretty well packed the tube up to the wrap- this meant a 2” ID tube for 6.25 girth and 8.5” el. As I expected I initially didn’t have a strong erection coming out of the tube since I don’t use a cock ring, but once I was in and we stroked a few times it developed to a full erection with normal sex. She took the increase in girth very favorable. She’s actually all for this as she says she enjoys the difference….one day pumped the next not so she gets me anywhere from 5.6 to 6 or so.

Now I’m curious to see if what you guys are thinking works out- does the ability to run at higher pressures by keeping the skin tight against the tunica increase gains? I’ve been toying with the idea of a tight full shaft wrap (available cheap at Walmart under the house brand)…gotta say you’ll have to be careful not to run too high as the exposed head will still get fluid build up…found that out too. :-)

Thanks for the excellent post and information.


It's better to think you're doing something than to sit back and wonder what might have been Start: 12/2003 EBPL: 7 15/16 EG: 5 1/4 Now: 12/2004 EBPL: 8 1/2 EG: 5 5/8 (pumped is 5 7/8 mid, 6.25 base) FL: 6.25

Hi MrP-P

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Originally posted by MrP-P
does the ability to run at higher pressures by keeping the skin tight against the tunica increase gains? I've been toying with the idea of a tight full shaft wrap (available cheap at Walmart under the house brand)…gotta say you'll have to be careful not to run too high as the exposed head will still get fluid build up…found that out too. :-)

I don’t know if it will increase gains but I hope it will.

I imagine it like this:
“The skin expands faster than the tunica, and when it expands fluid seeps between it and the tunica (maybe not pores resulting from max tunica expansion but just leaky blood and or lymp vessels) which results in a minimal tunica expansion. With the condoms, the skin is retarded enough so that the tunica can expand to a greater volume before fluid seepage occurs. If this is the case, it is good to pump up to a high pressure quickly and stay there for a short period of time. IOW, one does not get pores because the tunica is maxed out, it is just that the skin expands faster allowing fluid to seep in and retard the tunica’s expansion.”

So maybe reaching high pressure and tunica expansion before the fluid has time to collect under the skin is what is taking place and maybe it will speed up gains. Or maybe I am not thinking about the physics correctly.

About the full shaft wrap, I would use condoms because they will expand. I don’t think you want to use something too stiff or your tunica will not be able to expand.

Anyway, thanks for your response and I wish you the best of luck in terms of gains!

Cheers,
PS

Be Careful

Although I am the antithesis of a pumping expert, I don’t think this is for guys just starting out for a couple of reasons:
1) Any PE routine utilizing high pressure is dangerous.
2) It probably wont be very beneficial to you until your skin is loose enough for your tunica to expand some. If your skin is still tight, it will be a limiting factor.
3) I would fall into a deep depression if someone followed my advice only to injure them selves

Cheers,
PS

You have only seen what you can accomplish, but not what is practical to do. Pumping to those extreme low pressures does not exist in nature, therefore your argument, that your cock is reacting to some natural force is bogus. There is nothing in nature that prepares your body for 25in.hg vacuum pressure. In fact, you would die.

Your efforts are nothing more that a scientific experiment of useless value, why? Because you are not going to fuck anyone in a vacuum.

I know you get huge. It’s freaky nice. It doesn’t last.


The primary goal of PE should be to make your penis as healthy as possible in both form and function. If you do that, increased size will follow.

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Originally posted by gprent101
There is nothing in nature that prepares your body for 25in.hg vacuum pressure.

Tell that to my girlfirend, shes like a vacuum cleaner :)

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