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Bathmate Poll

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Do you think Bathmate needs a pressure gauge?

No

6521.52%

Yes

23778.48%
Total Votes: 302. You may not vote on this poll

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Its already expensive. It already has guys complaining of valve trouble. You add a gauge and the price will go way up, durability and reliability will go down.

A gauge isn’t needed if you learn to use the calibration on the sides. Learn what ideal length under vacuum for you is in relation to either your bpel or bpfsl and its a good piece of equipment.

Why would durability and reliability go down?


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You would need to add another taped opening to the cylinder, a source of leakage. You would be adding probably metal gauge, which will have to be hanging out somewhere, making it far more cumbersome and subject to damage if dropped, as well as the expense of water resistant material…rust proof.

The beauty of the device is its simplicity and durability. A gauge is unnecessary IMO once you switch your mind set to LUV rather than vacuum level. If I felt it was dangerous or vital to using it properly, I would side with the gauge crowd. But, having experience with the LUV method, I really see it isn’t needed.

Also, I’ve said it before, that you can use just your pumping cylinder and its detachable hose along with the LUV method and have a superior device for far less money. LV wrote a thread on that method and I contributed a more in depth explanation of the LUV method.

WATER PUMPING > Air Pumping

The weight lifter analogy doesn’t help your argument in my opinion. Most weight lifters know exactly how much weight they are lifting, how many reps they can handle at what weight, and how certain loads under certain conditions will help them grow muscle. High reps at lower weight versus a few reps of very high weight, for example. It is the ability to measure and track the progression in those “loads” to their muscles that keeps them progressing and keeps them safe.

Just saying “trust us, the physics of the device limits the load to X” doesn’t cut it. Look at a company like Toyota - they’ve been around for decades and people literally trust their lives to their products, yet they have had catastrophic failures in very well established mechanical/electrical/physical systems with obviously bad results. You are a new(ish) company with a new product asking us to trust our penis to your vacuum with no way of knowing what we are really doing.

I say this because I was literally ready to order the BathMate a month ago, but as soon as I got into reading the details and reviews I got scared off that it’s a “one pressure fits all” device designed for a less knowledgeable and less discerning audience than you find at Thunder’s.

Just my newbie 2 cents.


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Yeah, well put my vote down on the column that says this thing needs work. Rust proof gauge isn’t a big expense. Redesigning the gizmo, if that is what it takes to make it safer, should be done. Not everybody has the experience that you do sparky, and I can see where plenty of new guys could get carried away with the thing and learn the hard way.


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I’ve been reading Sparky’s thread, and I admit that my inexperience with pumping and especially water pumping may disqualify me from making really insightful comments here.

Having said that, if the theory is that there is “no gauge required” and stretch length under pressure as a percentage of BPEL is a valid indicator, then I’d sooner build a hand made water pump with valve as described in that thread.


Starting size: 6.0" BPEL, 5.0" MSEG, 6.75" BPFSL(11/2009)

Current size: 7.125" BPEL, 5.9" MSEG, 6.1" BG, (12/15/2010) (Pic Thread)

Goal: 7.25" BPEL, 6.25'' MSEG

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
Yeah, well put my vote down on the column that says this thing needs work. Rust proof gauge isn’t a big expense. Redesigning the gizmo, if that is what it takes to make it safer, should be done. Not everybody has the experience that you do sparky, and I can see where plenty of new guys could get carried away with the thing and learn the hard way.

I’d agree if there were reports of injuries with this thing. Granted, we have a very limited sampling here of users, but of any of our guys that used it, I don’t recall any of them complaining of injury. Liability laws being what they are, I doubt they would risk marketing a dangerous product…but you never know.

I think the designers claim of built in safety due to the design seems very reasonable to me. Vacuum pressure is generated by the accordion like structure at the base. AND its not the tensile strength of material that generates the vacuum force its the spring like force generate outward on an axial plane. So a plastic accordion thingy pushing OUTWARD. I don’t see how that can fail to be relatively safe.

Hell, we DO have guys use a gauge for pumping, and how many idiots manage to completely ignore our warnings and go way high WHILE WATCHING THE GAUGE!

But like I said before, its really impossible to make anything truly idiot proof…hell, people have died from drinking too much water!

But again, I’m not pushing the Bathmate, just trying to be fair. I think if you want to water pump just use the cylinder, hose and if you really want to get fancy, put the valve on the end of it for another $3.00 usd, as I described in the thread I listed above.


Last edited by sparkyx : 03-10-2010 at .

Originally Posted by Bathmate Instructions
# Push the bathmate down towards the pelvic area several times until you create a vacuum. You should start to feel the pressure building up. Surplus water will start to be released from the pressure release valve at the top of bathmate. You may have to pump it down 4 or 5 times until no more water is expelled.
# Once you cannot pump down any further just relax for 5 minutes. Whenever you cannot pump the bathmate any more this indicates that you have achieved the optimum vacuum at that particular time.
# Pump the bathmate back to optimum vacuum whenever you feel it necessary. This is the stage when no more water is expelled from the device.

Needs a gauge.


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I have bought bathmate. Today in online sexshop, in 2 days will be in my hands. 65 euros. Will see.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS

Bathmate Instructions

# Push the bathmate down towards the pelvic area several times until you create a vacuum. You should start to feel the pressure building up. Surplus water will start to be released from the pressure release valve at the top of bathmate. You may have to pump it down 4 or 5 times until no more water is expelled.

# Once you cannot pump down any further just relax for 5 minutes. Whenever you cannot pump the bathmate any more this indicates that you have achieved the optimum vacuum at that particular time.

# Pump the bathmate back to optimum vacuum whenever you feel it necessary. This is the stage when no more water is expelled from the device.

I have a bathmate and followed these instructions to the letter when using it and got lots of fluid buildup under the skin and doughnut effect exactly like if I use my air pump at too high pressure. This effect didn’t decrease after using the bathmate for awhile either (about 2 months) so I stopped using it and now use my regular pump with gauge at lower pressure and don’t have this problem. I definitely believe the makers of bathmate should create a new model with a pressure gauge.

Originally Posted by JoeW478
I have a bathmate and followed these instructions to the letter when using it and got lots of fluid buildup under the skin and doughnut effect exactly like if I use my air pump at too high pressure. This effect didn’t decrease after using the bathmate for awhile either (about 2 months) so I stopped using it and now use my regular pump with gauge at lower pressure and don’t have this problem. I definitely believe the makers of bathmate should create a new model with a pressure gauge.

If you got fluid and donut with air at 5 in hg, do you throw it out? OR do you drop it to 3 in hg and solve the problem? If you pump your Bathmate to 120mm LUV and you get edema, do you think that MAYBE it might be smart to try 100mm for a while and see if it does better?

Remember LUV translates directly to Vacuum force. Lower LUV= lower vacuum force. Higher LUV=higher vacuum force. Hell, if you want an actual read, use your gauge and cylinder and take it up to whatever vacuum level you like, say 5 in hg. Now measure the LUV. Lets say its 7 inches. Now take your bathmate and pump it until you hit a bpel of 7”…voila’ you should have roughly the same vacuum level.

Originally Posted by ThunderSS
I think it would be smart for a company touting the safety of their product to consider a gauge AND a redo of the instructions to give some warning of possible injury.

I agree point blank with Thunder, I’ll pay the extra for a gauge for my dick. Only one I got =/

And for those reading and not voting please vote as I would like Bathmate to be able to use this poll and info for his boss.

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Originally Posted by sparkyx
If you got fluid and donut with air at 5 in hg, do you throw it out? OR do you drop it to 3 in hg and solve the problem? If you pump your Bathmate to 120mm LUV and you get edema, do you think that MAYBE it might be smart to try 100mm for a while and see if it does better?

Remember LUV translates directly to Vacuum force. Lower LUV= lower vacuum force. Higher LUV=higher vacuum force. Hell, if you want an actual read, use your gauge and cylinder and take it up to whatever vacuum level you like, say 5 in hg. Now measure the LUV. Lets say it’s 7 inches. Now take your bathmate and pump it until you hit a bpel of 7”.voila’ you should have roughly the same vacuum level.


Like I said I followed the directions that were included with the bathmate which said to keep pumping until no more water is expelled. They don’t say anything about LUV.

I’m thinking if they can’t get the instructions for use right then maybe this whole long explanation from Bathmate on why a gauge is not needed might be wrong too? Especially the part saying that there is no danger of damaging the penis?

Originally Posted by Bathmate
Darn, got this from my boss after pressing on the gauge!

Bathmate and the vacuum pressure.

Further to valid comments made by Agust re the vacuum inside a Bathmate and a gauge to measure it, I feel it is essential that you are all aware of the technology of Bathmate and why it does not act like a traditional pump. You are obviously all aware of how the Bathmate operates and how the pressure is generated, it is the physics of it that are important.

THE BATHMATE UNIQUE VACUUM METHOD

Bathmate, unlike most penis pumps, creates the vacuum around the penis in a unique way. It is the elasticity in the gaiter that generates the negative pressure which causes the penis to swell. The gaiter can only regain it’s original size by filling the space with your expanding penis. So the pressure inside the tube is directly proportional to the elastic force of the gaiter and the pressure can never exceed it. For the standard Hercules gaiter, the maximum pressure inside the tube is 0.4 bar.

When you compress the Bathmate onto your pelvic seat with your penis inside, the gaiter compresses like a bellows. At that point, while you hold it compressed against you, the pressure inside the tube is the same as outside the tube, it is only when you release the Bathmate that the gaiter tries to regain it’s natural state and this is what creates the negative pressure inside the tube. This is very different to traditional methods, where air is actually pumped out of the tube by a separate pumping mechanism to create a partial vacuum.

How does this benefit the penis? Think of a body builder developing his muscles. He does not start building up his body by immediately trying to lift massive weights which can damage his body, he exercises using controlled weights over a period of time. That builds up solid muscle and does not damage the muscle tissues. The same applies to the penis, and this is what makes Bathmate a second to none penis exerciser as well as enlarger.

There are key factors that should be understood from a medical viewpoint, and this is even more important when dealing with Erectile Dysfunction.

1. Because the pressure in Hercules can never exceed 0.4 bar, THERE IS NO DANGER OF DAMAGING THE PENIS. For example: With an air pump, unless safety valves and pressure gauges are fitted, you can simply pump out to almost a total vacuum. You have all seen science fiction movies where astronauts’ visors break when in outer space.well, imaging the same forces acting on the penis.
2. Because the pressure inside a Hercules can never be greater than 0.4 bar, and this is physics facts, there is no need to fit a pressure gauge and safety valve to Bathmate.
3. The gaiter regains it’s normal size slowly as your penis expands to fill the gap. This causes the pressure to gradually fall away and you need to pump again. But no matter how many times you pump, you cannot exceed 0.4 bar
4. This pulsating increase and decrease in pressure inside the tube is what really builds up the penis and it can be likened to a body builder lifting and lowering weights to exercise his biceps.
5. If the penis is exposed to extreme pressures this can burst the blood vessels in the penis and cause pain and bruising. In severe cases it can cause the penis to burst or become badly distorted and even bent. This cannot happen with Bathmate
6. Another important point and this is extremely important when dealing with ED, the pulsating action of Bathmate allows free flow of blood in and out of the penis during exercise. This is vital to remove the build up of toxins in the penis which can lead to erectile problems.
7. This is also helped by the Bathmate seating on the pelvic seat and not on the penis shaft.

These are amongst the real strengths of Bathmate, and why it is superior to any other pump on the market. This is the message we must get across.

I will now give some suggestions as to how this can be portrayed on the web site.

• Body builders do not become Mr Universe overnight by lifting a huge weight once, they become Mr Universe by exercising with controlled weights over extended periods of time.the same applies to the penis.
• The Bathmate is a penis builder, not a penis destroyer. It is designed to make your penis bigger and stronger over time through regular workouts, and at the same time keeping it looking exactly the same - if somewhat larger.
• With Bathmate, your penis is working against the elastic forces of the gaiter to develop it, and consider how many elastic devices are used to build up muscles in the gym? In fact, if you could simply fit a giant air vacuum penis pump over your arms to pump up your biceps, why would you need to work out in the gym?
• The pulsating pumping action of Bathmate also allows blood to flow in and out of your penis, which is essential to keeping the penis healthy and preventing the build up of toxins which can lead to erectile problems in later life.
• The gaiter on the Bathmate is designed to work with a pressure that is not harmful to the penis. On the contrary it has been designed, following extensive medical research, to make your penis healthier as well as bigger. The gaiter is made from a material still on the US military secret list, which makes it highly valuable as well as perfect for function. Beware of cheap imitations and counterfeits.
• Bathmate is not an overnight, one hit miracle. It is a product designed to give those of you who prepared to work for it a larger, healthier penis. Those who claim that Bathmate does not work, and they are very few, are either not reading the instructions properly, not prepared to put in the effort, or, as is more likely, our competitors whose products cannot compete.

Originally Posted by JoeW478
Like I said I followed the directions that were included with the bathmate which said to keep pumping until no more water is expelled. They don’t say anything about LUV.

They didn’t hired me to write up the instructions, that’s why you haven’t seen it.
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With that last bit, sparks is leaving the building!

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