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Why we don't gain from hanging

I have no clue. I was up to 25 pounds and could not reach fatigue more then once. This was all SD and BTC. After no gains, I gave up on the idea of a pulley system to hang SO and up.

lostracco,
Reading over your posts gave me an epiphany on why exactly I haven’t been gaining as much as I expected. I hung all day today and only clocked 2 hours and 40 minutes! haha I think I have a ways to go until I can hang 10 hours. But it is summer semester for me, only one of the three classes I’m taking require me to be at school, and I’ll be working a very intermittent part-time job. So hopefully I’ll have more time to hang more extensively.

I read over some older posts from Bib on “Managing Fatigue” and some older hanging routines from various authors. I think this makes complete sense to me given what I know about collagenous fibers. I’ve never hung to ride the fatigue and I think this is where I’ve been going wrong for so long. I hang with a vacuum hanger and before I learned about taping the glans I would get fluid build-up after a set or two. Now I can hang all day and I don’t have the “donut effect”.

Reading your posts have given me motivation to stop being lazy and give a go to hard work once again! Thank you and I hope to gain as much as you have. Good luck!

Haha.. longerstretch, you should have read the title of my personal log.. it’s called ‘ride the fatigue’. I had studied PE for weeks (over 100 hours easily, read many thousands of posts) before I even started the thread (and of course I continued to research afterwards). The title is really based on the way hanging needs to be done to create gains.

In truth, getting that ‘right kind’ of fatigue every day & being consistent to create gains is really the whole point — at least with hanging. I think the people that missed that point are those that don’t gain.

I think it’s amazing what lostracco is doing, it takes a lot of discipline to do what he does. Most people don’t have that kind of discipline and passion. I think it’s very inspirational and impressive. I think we should be supportive of his quest.

I agree with most of what he says and I agree with his approach to PE. During my years of PE I have come to the same conclusions that he has. The more effort you put into PE the more you’ll get out of it. Ride the fatigue!

Originally Posted by lostracco
You can not “overtrain” when you’re stretching connective tissues. Overtraining would be.. over GAINING and I’m sure no one would have a problem with that.

Yes you can overtrain length. You might be a “more is more” guy, but I have lost size when hanging/ADSing too much.

Originally Posted by 10inchadvantage
Yes you can overtrain length. You might be a “more is more” guy, but I have lost size when hanging/ADSing too much.


I’m sure one can overtrain. And I remember when a certain somebody would hang all day, do ADS, and was crazy enough to rig a setup to ADS at night! hmmm do you know who that was? I think that would be grounds for quick injury and to this day I still don’t know how you did it. You must be very disciplined and motivated. However the way I’m starting to see it, its the same as in the weight room, most people do far too little to reach their goals for fear of overtraining. Without knowing how much work must be taken to actually reach overtraining they cut their workouts short and take a week off every 6 weeks from their 3 x 8 sets of auxiliary lifts.

I’ve gained from the IPR protocol but to be fair it was at a time when I just switched from manual to hanging. Now that I can hang all day with no fluid build-up I’m finally starting to see what was meant by riding fatigue. I think one has to find the “sweet spot” and that spot is different for everyone. But generally more work is involved than most anticipate. 10 hours is a lot, and I’m sure most would not be able to follow such a routine, but I think for those of us who haven’t been gaining from hanging 2-3 20 minute sets its time up the anti. Its true for me at least.

Lostracco how many days have you been hanging at 10 hours a day?


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OK guys just checking back on this thread after a few days, I’ll try to respond to everyone appropriately but I can’t quote everyone.

Longerstretch (1st post after Ulcasterdropout) - Yeah. You really have to stay in that hanger. I use a little program on the computer called “Egg Timer Plus”. I hit start, make sure I’m in the hanger, and forget about it. It beeps after 20 minutes. 10 minute rests. No cheating! And yes riding the fatigue is what it’s all about. If you’re doing it right, I think very rarely will you ever have to go up to your maximum weight. I can hang 17 lbs now if I wanted to, but never need to because I’m hanging day in and day out and riding it.

Blink2000 - Agreed.

Dicko - Ditto.

10inch - I really do disagree. The only overtraining I think you can do is situational.. for example if you blow off a family reunion to get some sets in.

I will say that I’ve seen temporary losses in length because I’ve hung so much that the internals are swollen, and it causes a bit of retraction, however if you keep hanging through this you’ll only come out longer once the swelling goes down. Resting would not be necessary.

Longerstretch - Yep. More sets.

JB - I got fired on the 30th.. soo about 3 weeks now. I was doing a good amount of sets while I was still working though.. so, I’ve always hung at least 12 sets a day.

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

What Is Collagen?

Collagens are proteins that help strengthen the structure of tissues such as bones, tendons, cartilage, ligaments, vertebral disks, skin, and blood vessels.*

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The Tendinosis Cycle

The tendinosis cycle begins when breakdown exceeds repair. Repetitive motion causes microinjuries that accumulate with time. Collagen breaks down and the tendon tries to repair itself, but the cells produce new collagen with an abnormal structure and composition.

The new collagen has an abnormally high Type III/Type I ratio. Experiments show that the excess Type III collagen at the expense of Type I collagen weakens the tendon, making it prone to further injury. Part of the problem is that the new collagen fibers are less organized into the normal parallel structure, making the tendon less able to withstand tensile stress along the direction of the tendon.

Therefore, tendinosis is a slow accumulation of little injuries that are not repaired properly and leave the tendon vulnerable to yet more injury. This failed healing process is the reason many people with tendinosis don't completely heal from it and can't go back to their previous level of activity. Once the tendinosis cycle starts, the tendon rarely heals back to its pre-injury state.
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Thus, the area becomes weaker on a large scale as well as on a cellular scale. This cycle of injury/rest/deconditioning/more injury can be difficult to break.
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Risk Factors For Tendinosis

……. Microinjuries gradually accumulate faster than they can heal until the area eventually becomes painful. The severity of the injury is influenced by many factors, including


  • the amount of overuse and lack of recovery time (for example hours of typing per day, per week, and per month as well as number of breaks per day)
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http://www.tendinosis.org/injury.html

*and Tunica Albuginea of penis as well.

Good post marinera. Very informative.

:thumbs:

Might be another argument for folks to reconsider hanging 25 lbs off their units…


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Thanks bro :) .

That post is very true.. I’ve kind of felt the effects of what it’s talking about.. my dick does feel different.. almost plastic.

*but*

Regardless, gains will happen if you don’t let it repair.

Once you’re happy with your length, cement and decon.

That’s still not a conclusive argument against more sets per day equalling more gains. It describes what happens very well, but there’s still no reason to rest.

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

You don’t want to rest? Don’t rest.

I think that’s a foolish approach. You need to give your body time to adjust. If you don’t… oftentimes bad things happen.

Good luck.


Before: I'd like to show you something I'm very proud of, but you'll have to move real close.

After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time. - Robin Williams (:

Originally Posted by lostracco
That post is very true.. I’ve kind of felt the effects of what it’s talking about.. my dick does feel different.. almost plastic.
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That post isn’t saying that tendinosis makes your penis plastic - where have your read that? That article, actually, says that, without rest, collagenous tissue can’t heal. This is the adverse of your idea, that it will heal even without rest.

Now, if it can’t heal, how can it grow?

A different point is if you are causing any appreciable microtears to your tissue. I think if you can hang for 10 hours daily, than it’s pretty unlikely that you are using a weight that is causing any appreciable damage.

Originally Posted by marinera

A different point is if you are causing any appreciable microtears to your tissue. I think if you can hang for 10 hours daily, than it’s pretty unlikely that you are using a weight that is causing any appreciable damage.

Why is that? What weight would cause this type of damage? Is a matter of riding the fatigue or experiencing fatigue in each set after a break?


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