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Why we don't gain from hanging

Originally Posted by lostracco
20 minute sets. Sometimes I’ll do 10 minute sets with 5 minute breaks, in which case I’d be hanging 40 sets a day.

Yes, I’m hanging like ALL DAY and NIGHT.

Time under tension. There is just NO SUBSTITUTE when hanging for gains.

~L


How much weight are you using? Are you reaching fatigue? Have you seen any gains in your BPEL?


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

Damn lostra-LOCO, you must be outta yo mind! Wow. Your like forest gump running across the country for the hell of it. Dude, that’s great. 1/4 inch in 2 weeks. I’m hanging straight up, through an eye hook in my ceiling and putting the bibmeister’s old D & C theorem to the test.

Keep on with the hanging marathon!

bubba


Hog before: 6'' NBPEL; 5'' MSEG---->> Hog now: 7.3" NBPEL; 5 1/4" MSEG; 8.5 BPFSL

Originally Posted by hobby
I don’t know what it means, if anything. The temporary 1/8” would usually show after hanging my first two sets, then stay the same through the session. It slowly retracted back to “normal” over many hours after hanging.

Are you tracking your BPFSL? It’s common for BPFSL to increase before the erect equivalent shows up. For example, just before I stopped hanging my BPFSL had increased a bit. A BPEL gain was surely on the way.

The difference between my BPEL and BPFSL when I first started measuring BPFSL (I should have from the beginning) was 1/2”, and they increased together for a while. Then, the gap widened to 3/4” and again that held through more gains. Odd. Now, after years off, the difference is back down to 1/2”.

Yeah, I track it, but sort of don’t get that point: “erect gains follow flaccid stretch gains.” To me, they are one and the same, not following each other. If one increases, the other increases. If it doesn’t, you have an error in your measurement (EQ, etc).

Thus, I just measure BPFSL, easiest way to tell if you are gaining and not have to deal with EQ.


Hog before: 6'' NBPEL; 5'' MSEG---->> Hog now: 7.3" NBPEL; 5 1/4" MSEG; 8.5 BPFSL

Originally Posted by bubba77
Yeah, I track it, but sort of don’t get that point: “erect gains follow flaccid stretch gains.” To me, they are one and the same, not following each other. If one increases, the other increases. If it doesn’t, you have an error in your measurement (EQ, etc).

Thus, I just measure BPFSL, easiest way to tell if you are gaining and not have to deal with EQ.


I’d see a small increase in BPFSL for a short time before BPEL would increase accordingly. It wasn’t measurement error. And, at least for me, the usual, expected gap between BPFSL and BPEL widened from 1/2” to 3/4” over time. Others have reported BPFSL outpacing erect gains. I wouldn’t count on BPFSL as the sole (or even primary) measure of progress.

I have not measured yet as I have chosen to not measure until a certain amount of days hanging, but I can tell my BPFSL is longer. When I stretch my dick out I feel the flaccid stretch is longer than previously, including days I don’t hang. Hopefully this is signs of BPEL gains.


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

Originally Posted by jb560
How much weight are you using? Are you reaching fatigue? Have you seen any gains in your BPEL?

My max weight is around 15lbs OTS, about 5 lbs BTC (just started on that angle)

I usually stay within 5-10 lbs OTS, because due to previous work I don’t really need to go back up to 15. You “ride the fatigue” and stay only with the weight you need to feel fatigue. I honestly don’t pay a whole lot of attention to amount of lbs hung.

I reach fatigue every day, and when I reach fatigue at a specific angle (such as OTS) I alternate to BTC, then reach fatigue there. Switch to RSDT and fulcrum angles after that, etc. It’s all about feel.

Yes I’ve seen a gain in BPEL at about 2:1. In other words, if I gain 1/4 inch BPFSL, I’ll gain 1/8 inch BPEL. I went up from 6.825 to 7.0 in the past two weeks.

Note: you can not overwork when hanging. There is a point of diminishing returns, however. When you reach around 1/4 to 1/2 of your maximum weight at a given angle, it’s probable that continuing to hang will not be worth the time it uses, because the amount of deformation taking place will be disproportionately smaller to the deformation that took place between your max weight and that point. It is at this point that the smart hanger will either switch angles, and continue to deform other tissue sets, or.. well.. get up and get out of the house.

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

Originally Posted by lostracco
Note: you can not overwork when hanging. There is a point of diminishing returns, however. When you reach around 1/4 to 1/2 of your maximum weight at a given angle, it’s probable that continuing to hang will not be worth the time it uses, because the amount of deformation taking place will be disproportionately smaller to the deformation that took place between your max weight and that point. It is at this point that the smart hanger will either switch angles, and continue to deform other tissue sets, or.. Well.. Get up and get out of the house.

~L


Can you substantiate this please?


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

The basic point is that none of the overtraining theories (such as PI’s or IPR) have ever mentioned anything or even shed light on connective tissue stretching, which is what you’re doing when you’re hanging. They all have to do with smooth muscle and girth exercises.

You can not “overtrain” when you’re stretching connective tissues. Overtraining would be.. over GAINING and I’m sure no one would have a problem with that.

The only type of overtraining possible when you’re hanging is if your skin wasn’t conditioned enough, or your attachment point got sore from doing too many sets. OK, that’s a form of overtraining, but you adapt to that stress and your dick becomes conditioned to hanging many sets at high weights.

Is that what you were looking for?

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

OR if you attach your penis to an airplane while it is taking off. That’d be way over-training.

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

So your saying that hanging targets only the connective tissue which supports the dick and eventually with enough time and tension applies will deform, but hanging does not involve the other elements of the penis which could be overworked if done to much? Over training is primarily a problem for anyone doing manual exercises and girth exercises? Do injuries count as over training. I guess it would depend on the type of injury. What about girth gains which come along with hanging? Is there a possibility of there being over training associated with girth while hanging even though this is not the primary focus of the exercise?

Also does over training depend on the type of plane and the pilots?


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

Originally Posted by lostracco
The basic point is that none of the overtraining theories (such as PI’s or IPR) have ever mentioned anything or even shed light on connective tissue stretching, which is what you’re doing when you’re hanging. They all have to do with smooth muscle and girth exercises.


I agree that PI’s and such aren’t something to pay much attention to when hanging, but I’d certainly watch them when using other PE methods.

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You can not “overtrain” when you’re stretching connective tissues. Overtraining would be.. over GAINING and I’m sure no one would have a problem with that.


I don’t know if one can “overtrain” from hanging, but a guy can certainly train poorly. Tissues adapt to the stresses imposed. Using too much weight, taking time off to allow for recovery, etc. allows for more of a strengthening response, which is counterproductive to what we’re trying to achieve. Hangers should be in a barbecue mindset, not grilling. Or, think endurance training in place of strength training — maybe not as applicable as the barbecue thing. Use adequate weight, enough but not too much and don’t deliberately try to increase it unnecessarily, for the time you can devote. I think a few hours hanging each day is enough time, but nobody really knows what is best.

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The only type of overtraining possible when you’re hanging is if your skin wasn’t conditioned enough, or your attachment point got sore from doing too many sets. OK, that’s a form of overtraining, but you adapt to that stress and your dick becomes conditioned to hanging many sets at high weights.


In a sense I agree, but injuries to the softer tissues can be a bigger issue for some than you’re indicating. I have always had a problem with veins clotting from various PE techniques. A recurring thrombosed vein ended my hanging career. I later had a clot in a more serious, non-PE location, so maybe something else is at play in my case. I’m just saying, be careful. Once a vein gets screwed it can remain a serious problem PE-wise for a very long time, perhaps indefinitely.

Originally Posted by jb560
So your saying that hanging targets only the connective tissue which supports the dick and eventually with enough time and tension applies will deform, but hanging does not involve the other elements of the penis which could be overworked if done to much?

There has never been any conclusive evidence or sound logic that hanging too much can overtrain anything. However, me and a bunch of guys who hang huge sets and hours are living proof to the contrary. I’m no scientist, so I obviously can’t meet you on the level of scientific proof, but look at the results.

Originally Posted by jb560
Over training is primarily a problem for anyone doing manual exercises and girth exercises?

I don’t jelq so I really don’t know too much about it, but yes, all those IPR and PI kind of overtraining mantras involve the manipulation of smooth muscle tissue, and excercises like jelqing, clamping, squeezing, pumping etc.

Originally Posted by jb560
Do injuries count as over training. I guess it would depend on the type of injury.

No, they count as being inexperienced with hanging. If you blow right past a reasonable max weight, say.. try to hang 20 lbs one day when you’ve been hanging 2lbs.. yeah.. you might hurt something. If you attach your hanger the wrong way and get skin pinching.. you need to find your correct settings. Etc etc.

Originally Posted by jb560
What about girth gains which come along with hanging? Is there a possibility of there being over training associated with girth while hanging even though this is not the primary focus of the exercise?

The jury is still sequestered on girth gains from hanging. The majority seems to believe, with logical reason and empirical testing, that girth at the base gained from hanging is primarily due to inner penis (which is thicker already) being expressed outward by deforming the entire structure. If this is true, which I believe it is, then the answer would be no. You could only overGAIN, once again.

Originally Posted by jb560
Also does over training depend on the type of plane and the pilots?


Are we still talking about this? Why aren’t you hanging?

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

Originally Posted by hobby
I agree that PI’s and such aren’t something to pay much attention to when hanging, but I’d certainly watch them when using other PE methods.

Agreed. Except I’d change “much attention” to “any attention”

Originally Posted by hobby
I don’t know if one can “overtrain” from hanging, but a guy can certainly train poorly. Tissues adapt to the stresses imposed. Using too much weight, taking time off to allow for recovery, etc. allows for more of a strengthening response, which is counterproductive to what we’re trying to achieve. Hangers should be in a barbecue mindset, not grilling. Or, think endurance training in place of strength training — maybe not as applicable as the barbecue thing. Use adequate weight, enough but not too much and don’t deliberately try to increase it unnecessarily, for the time you can devote. I think a few hours hanging each day is enough time, but nobody really knows what is best.

I can say with confidence that the weight you want to hang is the weight that you’ll feel fatigue with by the end of the set. If you’re not hanging that, you’re not doing enough. Of course, as your session progresses, this weight will get lower and lower, but you always want to feel that fatigue. Fatigue is key.

Originally Posted by hobby
In a sense I agree, but injuries to the softer tissues can be a bigger issue for some than you’re indicating. I have always had a problem with veins clotting from various PE techniques. A recurring thrombosed vein ended my hanging career. I later had a clot in a more serious, non-PE location, so maybe something else is at play in my case. I’m just saying, be careful. Once a vein gets screwed it can remain a serious problem PE-wise for a very long time, perhaps indefinitely.

This is true. I got an injury from hanging too much weight BTC.. it was like a.. sprain kind of feeling.

But, had I moved up in weight slowly like I should have it wouldn’t have happened. Proper technique will eliminate most injuries.

~L


"HALT! This is a no-turtle zone."

5/14/09 - BPEL 7.0" BPFSL 8.25" EG 4.5"

1/1/10 - BPEL 7.5" BPFSL 9.0" EG 5.0" - GOAL

Originally Posted by lostracco
I can say with confidence that the weight you want to hang is the weight that you’ll feel fatigue with by the end of the set. If you’re not hanging that, you’re not doing enough. Of course, as your session progresses, this weight will get lower and lower, but you always want to feel that fatigue. Fatigue is key.


People starting out or starting back after a break won’t feel fatigue from the first set, but I know what you mean. Fatigue can be built over a period of time. When you get there, maintain it.

Important to sustaining fatigue is not taking rest days. Even if you can only squeeze in a set or two on a busy day, do it. Otherwise, days off will ruin the momentum you’re trying to ride. If you take a day or two off you’ll have to spend a significant amount of time getting back to your previous fatigue level, and you’ll require even more weight than you were using before to get there.

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