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Why not start off hanging

Originally Posted by GlandMaster
You are making the assumption that higher weights = greater intensity. This may not necessarily be the case: it may be that the veteran hangers have simply finally figured out the technical aspects of hanging. To put it another way, they simply have learned out how to apply the weight in the most effective manner.

For the record, I have been doing PE many years, and only started manual PE in the last few months. All of my gains have come from pumping (mostly girth increase) and hanging (mostly length increase), combined with a cockring and traction wrapping.


I never thought about that, thanks.

How’s the manual PE going?

Originally Posted by RandomGiant
How’s the manual PE going?

Well, thank you, RG. I’ve managed to make some good gains by “working the angles”. I’m using manual stretching only, concentrating on SO and OTL, and using my wrist as a fulcrum for some fulcrum stretches.

It’s times like this, though, that I appreciate the wisdom of the “Length first, then girth” approach: I’m convinced that, had I not gained so much girth EL gains would have come easier.

GM

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Originally Posted by GlandMaster
It’s times like this, though, that I appreciate the wisdom of the “Length first, then girth” approach: I’m convinced that, had I not gained so much girth EL gains would have come easier.

GM

This seems to embrace the question I posted in the beginning. Am I wrong about that?


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

Originally Posted by jb560

This seems to embrace the question I posted in the beginning. Am I wrong about that?

Well hanging has given many people a larger base girth. Plus, as long as you aren’t jelqing at a high erection level, I don’t think you should gain much girth if you’re not trying to.

No, its not that I am trying to only gain length. I just was thinking this out and from everyone saying how the newbie gain was the fastest and easiest gains then it would seem that hanging produces the best length gains and should be done when first starting…this is just what I’ve been trying to understand.


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

Originally Posted by jb560
This seems to embrace the question I posted in the beginning. Am I wrong about that?


I’m far from a “newbie”, pal.

GM

Originally Posted by GlandMaster
I’m far from a “newbie”, pal.

GM


I think he is refering to when I said that it would be harder to gain with manual PE after hanging.

No comment. ;)

I still stick to my opinion though!

I don’t think I said anything about anyone being a newbie…sorry for any confusion


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

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This seems to embrace the question I posted in the beginning. Am I wrong about that?

Your question.

Originally Posted by GlandMaster
I’m convinced that, had I not gained so much girth EL gains would have come easier.


I was a pumper for many years before I came here: the pumping combined with a cockring gave me great girth.

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Also what could be more simple than putting a hanging device around your unit and suspending weight from it.

Your view of hanging is pretty one-dimensional, clasik. You seem to be thinking that it’s just “snap the weight on, increase incrementally, and gain”. Hanging is a difficult skill to master, and it’s pretty easy to overcondition your penis, or injure yourself through poor hanging technique. I’d say it took me about a year of hanging to properly understand it. By that time, any “newbie pop” I could have hoped for was long gone, and my unit was so well conditioned that I had to use a ridiculous amount (in my opinion) of weight.

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What I don’t understand is why go through that then when you start hanging you have to condition your member to the stresses and start with low weights. This also causes your unit to get into PE shape.

Wrong again. The whole point of hanging is keeping the penis deconditioned, so that you can make gains. The growth mechanism of hanging is not the same as the growth mechanism of jelqing.

GM

Very true. I’m only a couple weeks into hanging and let me tell you that it can be very frustrating. I’ve just mastered getting most of the weight off of my skin, but now I’ve run into other problems. Either I’ll get far too much pressure in my glans, or the hanger will rest dangerously close behind my glans. I’m just hoping it takes me less than a year to master because there is no way I’ll be able to increase much weight with my current hanging technique.

So if the point of hanging is keeping the penis de-conditioned, then why does hanging cause the ligament to toughen. This doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Maybe I am just confused on the meaning of conditioning and de-conditioning of the penis.

I’m not viewing hanging as just strap some weight on and go for it. I understand there is more involved and that it may take a while to fully develop the skills required to hang correctly. I feel that once you learn to wrap correctly, then what angle to hang at and how to understand the different types of stresses involved then the simplicity of the exercise is basic enough. Even those “skills” are some which may or may not take time. With the jelq the different amount of force which is applied when you manually jelq. No one ever knows how much stress they are putting on themselves and this could be less effective.

I have only tried to hang for one day so I could try to understand what I was feeling and the different variables involved. I do plan on hanging and i appreciate everyones input. I’m truly trying to understand as much as possible before I do this. Again thanks for everything.


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

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So if the point of hanging is keeping the penis de-conditioned, then why does hanging cause the ligament to toughen. This doesn’t seem to make sense to me. Maybe I am just confused on the meaning of conditioning and de-conditioning of the penis.

Hmm… it appears that your keyboard is missing the “?” key. I’m assuming that your first statement is a question… :D

I’ll use metaphor here: jelquing is like blowing up a toy balloon. It comes out of the bag, where it lived with all the other colorful little balloons, small, and shrunken. When you blow it up, then let the air out, it never fully returns to its original shape. As I understand it, this is how jelquing works.

Hanging is like that poor guy in the hospital who is having his limb lengthened: the purpose is to separate the tissues, then increase the distance slightly until the limb heals in the extended state. Stretch too much and you tear the poor guys arm off: don’t stretch enough, and the limb heals up to the shorter length.

The ligament toughens because the “hangers” have no idea what they are doing, or by what mechanism they are growing: they figure “strap it on and grow”. I must say that I am very grateful to TomHubbard, Bib, MX, ModestoMan, Penismith, sparkyx, Merlin, pudendum and the others who have taken the time to attempt to figure out what the heck hanging is all about, and by what mechanism PE is actually accomplished.

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Even those “skills” are some which may or may not take time.

Plan on six months to become reasonably competent at wrapping, and attaching the hanger.

GM

??????????? just so you know my keyboard is not missing a key.

Thanks for the help. I am not hanging yet, but I am practicing wrapping by the pictures and instructions and I hope that it wont take six months to be good at wrapping. I do appreciate your help


Then 01/15/08 EBPL: 6.25 EG 5.10 Now 10/05/09 EBPL 7.75 EG 5.25 Girth work for 103 days.

New Short Term Goal: EBPL 8.0 EG 5.5 Lifetime goal 9x6.5 PE log and journal

I would probably make a wench or something too. How do you know if your wrapping right if you can’t try it out with a hanger?

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??????????? just so you know my keyboard is not missing a key.

:chuckle:

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I would probably make a wench or something too. How do you know if you‘re wrapping right if you can’t try it out with a hanger?

RG has a point: it’s not just the wrapping itself that is tricky: it is the interplay between penis, underwrap, over wrap, clamp, and weight.

The point of the wrap is not simply to wrap the penis up: it’s so that the hanger can be tightened enough to grab the “inner structure” without damaging the penis, and to a lesser extent to take some of the weight off of the skin while hanging.

GM

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