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Why is my dick SHORTER after a hanging session?

I also thought about rest days. I started with two rest days per week eight months ago. No results. I switched to no rest days (if possible) two months ago. Still no results. Two months should be long enough to have at least some gains, and if it were only a millimeter.
Plus, even with a well-rested dick, I am shorter after hanging. I think this is one of the key points for my lack of gains. I think in order for stretching or hanging to work, your penis has to be longer after a session. What sense would a girth workout make if your penis is thinner afterwards?

Once I can achieve a temporary increase in BPFSL after hanging, I could use this as a measure to determine my need for rest days. No increase in BPFSL after a session, all other things being equal to the session before, means I need rest. What do you think about that?


"Denn wer ewig strebend sich bemüht, den können wir erlösen"

Goethe, Faust II

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In the beginning my skin was too tight, but it has lengthened. I still have some skin soreness when hanging BTC with 10 lbs., but not when hanging SD. I can feel the weight pull my ligs and under the skin I can feel how the internals of my dick are stretched. The part limiting the length is at the upper side. When I touch it during hanging, it feels similar to the lig at the base of the penis, only that it is smaller. It is sort of like a tough string, not round but elliptical. It probably is the tunica.

Hmm. Just keep in mind that the skin can take more of the load than you might realize if it isn’t slack. Most hangers need to spend time stretching skin before it has enough play for the internals to take the brunt of the load. Sounds like you’ve made good progress toward this.

Originally Posted by Faust
What I mean is that my dick gets less elastic the more time I spend hanging. At the beginning of a session, it is soft and at normal flaccid size. After hanging, it is kind of stiff and even though the flaccid hang is longer, BPFSL is shorter than before the session.

This may be significant. A slightly engorged penis is much more resistant to the effects of hanging than a totally limp noodle. I think the internal structures of the CC’s (trabeculae) enter the picture when slightly erect and add considerable mechanical strength.

I may have this problem to some extent myself. I don’t know what you can do to become more limp besides simply waiting (thinking of grandma?).


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I may have this problem to some extent myself. I don’t know what you can do to become more limp besides simply waiting (thinking of grandma?).


With stiff I don’t mean erect. It is more like the state your penis is in when you swim in cold water.

Erections are only a problem when doing manual stretches. I guess my dick thinks “Hey, it’s jelqing time!” when I lay hands on him :)


"Denn wer ewig strebend sich bemüht, den können wir erlösen"

Goethe, Faust II

Originally Posted by reywdsuyt
I would think heat would expand not contract. Yes I would like to see a veteran in here to answer as well.

I got this nugget of information about heat shrinking ligs when they’re not under load from Hobby’s now famous thread on connective tissue. Here’s the specific post, but I recommend you read the whole thread if you haven’t already:

Bib - Connective tissue- FIRST "THREAD OF THE YEAR"


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If you compare the tension you feel when manual stretching and hanging, which gives you a harder pull? Is hanging or stretching more intense?

One further idea about the penile “toughness” problem. Penismith found some articles a few months back that showed the hypoxia in the CC’s promotes fibrosis. As I interpret this, if you cut off the circulation to your penis during long and frequent hanging sets, the amount of collagen in your CC’s may increase, leading to penile toughness.

This information would tend to suggest the need for shorter hanging sets with vigorous restoration of circulation, such as light jelqing, between sets.


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In my view its possible that the fatigue/cell necrosis-induced release of prostoglandins, histamines etc. could be chemically (or bioelectrically) inducing the colllagen coils to contract after a hanging session. When I hung I noticed this too. I’ve read that the first stage after any injury inflammation is wound-contraction. By only cyclically creating some marginal daily wounding the inflammation/contraction/remodelling process could be shortened. Wound contraction makes sense. Stabilize the area by concentrating the tissues and narrowing the region across which new tissue (in the form of quick-drying scab/scar. I believe this happens in all collagenous tissues (skin, tendons, muscles, ligs)

The curves here show that as inflammation abates wound contraction begins. What we call fatigue is probably mild inflammation rather than lactic acid production as it would be in muscles. Inflammation is the action of dispatching scavenging chemicals to a wound site to “digest” dead cells and damaged fibers. My intuition is that the contraction is bio-mechanical/bio-electrical contraction of the coiled collagen. Research it and tell us what you find. It has implications for deconditioning and rest cycles for sure.

http://www.orthoteers.co.uk/Nrujp~ij33lm/Orthwound.htm

Originally Posted by Faust
I have gained almost nothing in 8 months. That’s a long time, and I was really dedicated. If it’s true that you should stick with what’s working then you should also change everything that isn’t working. For me, hanging the way I did hasn’t worked. If I haven’t gained length in 8 months, why should it start tomorrow? I can’t continue hanging like this. There has to be a flaw in my routine or something like that. I don’t question hanging itself.

Anyway, after my girth month I’ll probably try manual stretches first. They have worked for me in the past, maybe they can work for me again.

Once again, I am President of that club as well. I started approximately last March 2004, and haven’t gained anything measureable. I haven’t given up though, I have been pumping since August/September, and I have the temporary gains off that, which is cool.

I dont think anything is wrong with our routines, I just think we are not set up to gain easily, hard gainer, no gainer, tough gainer, unlucky gainer, what ever you want to call it.

I also started doing “down time” stretches, which I do in the car when I drive to and from work, am watching tv, sitting in the can, whatever, just manual stretches.


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March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10!. Jeezus Sixer, that’s longer than having a baby!. I’d definitely call you a tough gainer :nodding:

Never mind, one of these days, I’m sure, it will all start to happen and then you will wonder how to stop it!.

(10 Freakin months!) :rolleyes:


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Originally Posted by rakishly
I’ve read that the first stage after any injury inflammation is wound-contraction. By only cyclically creating some marginal daily wounding the inflammation/contraction/remodelling process could be shortened. Wound contraction makes sense.

I would agree with this but for the time durations involved. As I understand the healing process, inflammation goes on for a few days before wound contraction kicks in. Also, the process you describe seems to relate to macro-injuries rather than micro-tears, which don’t involve any significant breach of the tissues.

http://www.redwingbooks.com/html/ca…/TL_Extract.pdf

Start looking on page 23 (as printed on the document) for more on what I’m referring to.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I got this nugget of information about heat shrinking ligs when they’re not under load from Hobby’s now famous thread on connective tissue. Here’s the specific post, but I recommend you read the whole thread if you haven’t already:

Bib - Connective tissue- FIRST "THREAD OF THE YEAR"


Thanks. I’ve read some of the thread, but I’m definitely gonna re-read the whole thing.

Originally Posted by hobby
If you compare the tension you feel when manual stretching and hanging, which gives you a harder pull? Is hanging or stretching more intense?


That’s hard to tell. The tension when doing manual stretches varies a lot, depending on the grip, how much I am concentrating and so on. Also, I’m stretching at different angles when doing manual stretches. But I would say the tension is about the same, sometimes maybe slightly higher when I do manual stretches.

Originally Posted by SixerMan
Once again, I am President of that club as well. I started approximately last March 2004, and haven’t gained anything measureable. I haven’t given up though, I have been pumping since August/September, and I have the temporary gains off that, which is cool.


Your dedication is inspiring. If I hadn’t gained anything right from the start, I would probably have given up. So far I could at least gain 0.8” in length, almost everything during the first 6 months. Those were the days… Every time I measured it would be longer. I almost got the impression my dick would grow every time it saw the ruler. Well, not anymore. When gains dried out I took a two month break, after which I started hanging. Since then, no length gains to speak of :(

Maybe hanging isn’t working for me. That it works for most people doesn’t mean it has to work for me. When trying a routine, you have to give it time and see if you get results. 8 months, in your case 10, is enough time. I would even say if you don’t gain after two months or at least see some significant change in say the vascularity or something, it’s time to rethink the routine. As I said: If it hasn’t worked so far, why should it work in the future? Drastically increasing the amount of load or time should be considered only after a lot of thinking. It could lead to a tougher penis, making future gains with a routine better suitable for us even harder. Using trial and error we have to try all sorts of routines, starting with the ones that the majority agrees upon as working. The downside with this is, there are so many variables to consider. The exercises to choose, workout time, rest days, deconditioning breaks and so on. You know what I’m talking about. I really envy those guys who stumbled across a routine that worked for them in the beginning of their PE career.
Well, actually, I was one of them. But obviously what has worked in the past doesn’t have to work now, otherwise I wouldn’t be sitting here but do something else with my 9” dick. The point of deconditioning breaks is to reset your penis to a state where the routine that once worked but now doesn’t starts working again. The key factor is not to lose too much of the gains during the break. I took a deconditioning break, which I still think was the right thing to do. I guess the wrong thing to do was starting to hang or maybe starting to hang the wrong way, like I did.

I’m trying a completely different workout now, concentrating on girth. So far it’s fun and I hope I can gain rather quickly since I only gained 0.25” girth in total so far. A gain of any type would help to keep motivation.


"Denn wer ewig strebend sich bemüht, den können wir erlösen"

Goethe, Faust II

I wouldn’t be surprised if you start gaining length after you start you girth workouts.


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That’s hard to tell. The tension when doing manual stretches varies a lot, depending on the grip, how much I am concentrating and so on. Also, I’m stretching at different angles when doing manual stretches. But I would say the tension is about the same, sometimes maybe slightly higher when I do manual stretches.

Ok, if the tension is roughly the same, hanging is the more intense workout because of the time component.

This sounds more and more as though you are overdoing it. I suggest you try reducing the weight. In the past a few guys reported no progress from using heavy (for them) weight, but later gained using lighter loads.

It’s worth a try. See what happens with your BPFSL.

Originally Posted by rousseau506
March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10!. Jeezus Sixer, that’s longer than having a baby!. I’d definitely call you a tough gainer :nodding:

Never mind, one of these days, I’m sure, it will all start to happen and then you will wonder how to stop it!.

(10 Freakin months!) :rolleyes:

Jeez Rouss, I didn;t think of it that way, now you’ll have to talk me off the ledge, yet again :(


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