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Vacuum hanging confusion

Originally Posted by Big Girtha
Sure there is. The human hand can grip harder and pull with more tension than any hanger. I can pull nearly 70 pounds on a fish scale with my hand and I can grip the shaft of a dick tight enough to bring a man to his knees.

A Brokeback mountain confession lerking in here somewhere BG?

Originally Posted by Big Girtha
It’s true. We all tend to hang on to things that have worked well in the past, but we always have to be open to new ideas. Vacuum may be the best method available now, but not forever. It’s just the new kid on the PE block and I’m sure there will be vast improvements. Soon someone will come up with something better or perhaps altogether different. But if it weren’t for pioneers like Bib, Hubbard, Fow1 or Uli and even Captn Hook none of the new discoveries would have ever happened.

What ever happen to Cappy, anyway

I miss that rascal too!

Anyway, I was one of the first vacuum hangers here…homemade (I still think they are making a mistake with the current shape and size…think Vitamin bottle shape! Large chamber, thinner neck!).

However, I am very sensitive to vacuums, including pumping… causing lymph migration, which in turn CAN cause lymph blockage.

So, I have to really limit my time and wt with the vacuum hangers. I’m sure there will be others that fall into that same catagory.

My point is…its great to have different devices to administer force/time with.

It allows us to work around physical weak points.

Having said that, I do agree that overall, I believe vacuum hangers are a better tool for our tools. :)

I also think, as experience builds with usage, guys will find they need less wt to achieve the same results…primarily because of the lack of skin pull.

Skin pull is just resistance that the SKIN offers to the force of the wt hanging.

Whatever wt the skin absorbs…its less wt that goes to the penis internal structures.

Also, I think turkey necks and excess skin will not be a problem for the same reasons.

Originally Posted by Big Girtha
Sure there is. The human hand can grip harder and pull with more tension than any hanger. I can pull nearly 70 pounds on a fish scale with my hand and I can grip the shaft of a dick tight enough to bring a man to his knees. But I can not hold that grip or pull that tension for very long. That is I can’t pull the tension long to be effective for a good length routine, nor can I grip the shaft long enough to cause internal injuries, but the Bib hanger can do both.

I find it amusing you think you can grip harder with your hand than with a hanger :D When you turn a wingnut to tighten a hanger you use a lever. So any force you can use for manually gripping is multiplied by a huge factor. With one rotation of a 6mm wingnut you tighten a hanger by 1mm but the length of the rotation circle of the wingnut is 22mm x pi = 70mm. That’s a factor 70. Of course the force is spread over a wider area with a hanger and there’s friction of the wingnut but you just can’t beat those stats with your hand. It’s like saying you can jump higher than that you can get with stairs ;)

Yes new innovations come along and although I have never used a BIB I have my reservations about the comfort of one. That’s why I’m using my own hanger, an improved AFB (which I haven’t shown yet).

I’m sure you can gain from pretty much any hanger but it obviously matters if you can hang comfortably and save enough to put in the hours required for gaining. You obviously don’t longer believe the Bib is best suited for that with which I won’t disagree but others will and there are more hangers that use lateral pressure and you can’t just generalize without having tried them.

Sparkyx, ‘wt’?

Geez Girtha,

>>>”pain, blood, sweat and tears, and with so much excess skin my once tightly circumcised shaft now looks completely uncut. I have also gained quite a bit of discoloration, not to mention a pretty nasty injury a while back to my urethra…” <<<

Cripes man, I’ve experienced none of that. I’m very sorry to learn of the difficulties that you’ve had with the BIB. All I can say is that I think you weren’t using it right. The only clamping should occur at the dorsal thickening of the tunica. There should be close to zero compression of the ventral portion of the shaft, i.e. the CS and the enclosed urethra. I described this configuration to Alice the other day in this post like this:

Originally Posted by xenolith
Hi Alice. Yes, I still love the HTW. They’re very durable. I still use ones that I’ve been using for well over a year. Best bang for the buck PE tool I know of. It makes my hanging (BIB Starter) a breeze. That combo is all I’ll ever need for my hanging purposes. When last I was hanging, I was using 3 (extended over the glans, it really helps keep glans swelling from occurring) in order to get the right girth with my preferred waaaay wide open hanger configuration (I’ve replaced the 2” basal width adjusting screws with 2.5” screws and have the front one set to maximum length, the back one set ~1/4” less wide than the front one) in order to focus compression on the dorsal thickening of the tunica. My hanger opening when closed tight approximates a triangle with a 60 degree basal angles and a 30 degree top angle (about like this /\ actually) . This configuration also facilitates great circulation to the glans and doesn’t compress the urethra. Soooper comfy, I fall asleep while hanging all the time.

I think wearing a HTW, 2, or 3 as a post hanging traction wrap is a great idea. Just watch out for the the increased frequency of crotch watchers, they do keep you quite extended, particularly with multiples, not to mention, looking…ahem, plump. I know the concept is frowned upon, but wearing them at night seems like a pretty benign practice to me.

Thanks for the attaboy :) .


Now this description was for us normal girth guys for whom the Starter is easier to get this configuration with. But for a guy of your girth its even easier! Frankly I’m surprised that you managed to do what you did to yourself with your BIB. Even for a normally girthed guy like me, with a thicker wrap (I use 4 or 5 HTWs), the BIB regular can provide the same triangular configuration. With either of the BIBs, 45-60 minute sets/naps are routine.

BTW, that sleeping that I do while hanging is with weights up to 50+ lbs. Not that I think I’ll do that again, but I have tested all sorts of PE tactics, including big weight and as far as I’m concerned, the BIB hangers are an iron fist in silk glove.

It may be too late to save you, but hopefully other hangers may yet be rescued from the torture and dick mangling that you’ve experienced.


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Last edited by xenolith : 04-06-2006 at .

xeno,

That description is quite close to how I’ve set my Starter as well, albeit I’m using the original 2” bolts. Have your 2.5” bolts been permanently bent from the stress with these settings?
I came around to these settings in search for my best way to negotiate twisting inside a BH. The Starter works here, while the Regular won’t without too much wrap (on >6.5” girth midshaft).

rm

really mcdeally,

No problem with bending of the screws. There’s very little bending moment applied to the screws. I don’t understand your second comment regarding the regular BIB, twisting, wrapping, etc. But I can tell you with as absolute a certainty as is possible without putting the hanger on your dick, which I’d pass on anyway, that if you’ve got a 6.5” (presumably E) MS girth, then with the Starter, you definitely need the 2.5” screws to get the kind of configuration I’m talking about. I would think that the 3” would work even better for you. You can always use less length that you have you know ;) .


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

>No problem with bending of the screws. There’s very little bending moment applied to the screws.

Do you hang with the top teeth partly or fully engaged then? With the 2”, I’ve been concerned that the plastic might snap like it did on Ulcasterdropout’s Regular Bib. I asked Bigger about it, and he said he never had a Starter broken that way. He added the bolts will eventually bend from the stress, rather than the plastic will break. IOW, the Starter is calibrated for these extreme settings, but that’s with the 2”. The must be exponentially more stress on your 2.5”, so I’m surprised they don’t show any bend; as much as I’m reassured of the toughness of the plastics.

>I don’t understand your second comment regarding the regular BIB, twisting, wrapping, etc. But I can tell you with as absolute a certainty as is possible without putting the hanger on your dick, which I’d pass on anyway,

I’m glad you said that ;)

>that if you’ve got a 6.5” (presumably E) MS girth, then you definitely need the 2.5” and I would guess the 3” would work better.

MSEG it is. Base is “Like a Virgin” girth. With silver Theraband on skin, I hang with top teeth almost fully engaged; that’s with .5” still poking out of the bottom 2” bolts. It’s a vice alright, and with this wrapping, I’d use half the 3” bolts. How thick are those HTWs you’re using?

>>>Do you hang with the top teeth partly or fully engaged then?

Practically fused together. I’ve taken all of the gel off of the comb teeth so that I can get as tight a compression along the dorsal portion of my shaft as possible. I’ve put wing nuts on the basal screws and do ALL of my size adjustments with these screws.

>>>With the 2”, I’ve been concerned that the plastic might snap like it did on Ulcasterdropout’s Regular Bib. I asked Bigger about it, and he said he never had a Starter broken that way. He added the bolts will eventually bend from the stress, rather than the plastic will break.

I think it must have been a defective pour on Ulcaster’s hanger. There’s simply very little bending moment applied to the screws. To be perfectly honest with you, I think Bigger was probably just trying to indicate to you how robust the plastic is…when poured correctly.

>>>IOW, the Starter is calibrated for these extreme settings, but that’s with the 2”. The must be exponentially more stress on your 2.5”, so I’m surprised they don’t show any bend; as much as I’m reassured of the toughness of the plastics.

With the comb teeth fully engaged, very little bending moment is applied to the screws. You could have 10” screws and no more bending moment would be applied to the screws because rigid body mechanics are operant.

>>>MSEG it is. Base is “Like a Virgin” girth. With silver Theraband on skin, I hang with top teeth almost fully engaged; that’s with .5” still poking out of the bottom 2” bolts. It’s a vice alright, and with this wrapping, I’d use half the 3” bolts. How thick are those HTWs you’re using?

What’s this “Like a Virgin” girth mean? HTWs are thin, I don’t know like 0.5mm when on your dick. I recommend you get some. Probably have to get them from Monty as you’re in Eurpoe. You’re welcome Monty. Time for a HTW sourced profit Forum donation yet? Just curious.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I’m just peeking in the window of this thread as I walk by, but if I could quickly make a deposit to the conversation, it would be that there is a very dense region of connective tissue in the penis that fuses the tips of the CCs to the glans. It essentially prevents your glans from getting ripped off.

As I understand it, vacuum hanging takes advantage of this tough connection. The vacuum pulls on the glans, which pulls on this connective tissue, which pulls on the CCs. I believe it is a very high quality connection.

The Bib, Wench, and other clamp-based hangers work on an entirely different principle. They create a region of compressed tissue in front of the hanger. The compressed tissue forms a shoulder that the hanger wedges up against. Force is transmitted from the hanger into the “plug” of compressed tissue. The hanger’s tight grip on the penis limits blood outflow from the plug, which maintains the “shoulder” and keeps the hanger from slipping off the end of the penis. Force is then transmitted from the plug back into the CCs. There’s also a lot of skin stretch, however, so some of the force is lost.

I’ve heard others talk about the Bib “gripping the internals,” but I’ve never bought it. The skin on shaft is just too loose.

Xeno, I think one reason you might have an easy time with the Bib is because your dick stays thick right to the tip, whereas mine, and I believe the dicks of others who have problems with the Bib, tapers down a bit. My glans is relatively thin in comparison with my shaft. This makes it very hard to maintain a decent “plug,” especially when hanging heavy weights.

I think that perhaps the Bib is not a good choice for guys who are built like me, and I’m really looking forward to trying a vacuum hanger.


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I’m sure you’re right Modesto. Sure seems like Girtha would have plenty of “plug” to work with though.

One of the many benefits of the HTW is that with multiple “wrappings” of it, one can gain as much “plug” as they may need.

I’d love to know how you find your BIB hanger (I don’t know if its a Starter or regular) with the “spread wide” configuration and about 3 or 4 HTWs. I’m not kidding about falling asleep. And my glans comes out as pink and happy as it went in. Please consider this a request to try it and report back.

Thanks for your comments.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama


Last edited by xenolith : 04-07-2006 at .

As long as I’m here, another idea has been kicking around my head about vacuum hanging (which I have still not yet tried). The idea is very basic: I expect that guys with larger girths will have an easier time hanging.

Pressure is measured in force per unit area. If your dick is thick, it has more area for the vacuum to act against. Therefore, any given force (hanging weight) can be achieved at lower pressure than would be required of a guy with less girth. Similarly, greater forces can be achieved against a girthier dick than a narrower one, for any given pressure.

Finally, something about hanging works better for girthy guys!


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Originally Posted by xenolith

I’m sure you’re right Modesto. Sure seems like Girtha would have plenty of “plug” to work with though.

Yes, I would think so, too! But I don’t recall his saying whether his flaccid glans girth is up to the level of the rest of his shaft.

Besides penile geometry, there’s also a possibility that different guys are affected differently by penile constriction. Developing a good “plug” may just be easier for some guys than for others, due, for example, to circulatory or lyphatic factors.

Originally Posted by xenolith

One of the many benefits of the HTW is that with multiple “wrappings” of it, one can gain as much “plug” as they may need.

I see plug formation as related to the state of the penis itself. I don’t think it has much to do with the wrap, except in that a tighter wrap usually causes the glans to swell, creating a better anchor (and simulataneously increasing the risk of injury). No matter how many HTW’s one applies, the plug still needs to form in the penis itself if forward slippage is to be avoided.

Originally Posted by xenolith

I’d love to know how you find your BIB hanger (I don’t know if its a Starter or regular) with the “spread wide” configuration and about 3 or 4 HTWs. I’m not kidding about falling asleep. And my glans comes out pink and happy as it went in. Please consider this a request to try it and report back.

I’d like to try this, as well. I found the many adjustments on the Bib to be confusing, especially when I was first starting out. Bib’s recommendation was about equal spacing, top and bottom. That caused me terrible swelling and eventual discoloration around my dorsal shaft distal to the hanger.

I tried the “spread wide” configuration toward the end of my final efforts with the Bib. I remember it being more comfortable at first, but not solving my problems. I just checked my notes, and I report severe donut, glans prolapse, and pain even after making this change.

I may try again, or maybe not, depending on how much I like vacuum hanging.

BTW, another possible benefit of vacuum hanging is that it may expand my glans. Others have reported this. This will not only improve my proportions, but it may also cause my dick to be better suited for conventional, clamp-style hangers, if I ever decide to go back to them.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 04-07-2006 at .

Originally Posted by ModestoMan
I’m just peeking in the window of this thread as I walk by, but if I could quickly make a deposit to the conversation, it would be that there is a very dense region of connective tissue in the penis that fuses the tips of the CCs to the glans. It essentially prevents your glans from getting ripped off.

ModestoMan,
Thanks for that important information, I wasn’t aware of the fused link. That totally cleared me up. :up:

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