Too good not to post

It amazes me how many lurkers are out there. It should not, because I lurked for around six months before I came out on the old old old board.

Probably less than ten percent of the guys that have hangers have ever written anything about them on the board. So, I assume they are lurkers or hate it or just don’t care.

A lot of good knowledge and feedback are lost because a lot of these guys probably know quite a bit about PE. Either they don’t take the time to return a little of what they have received, or they are really shy etc. I do remember how weird it was the first time I posted.

Anyway, I received a gem via email. If you have a stationary bike, this may work for you. This lurker claims a 1/2 inch length gain in 5 weeks which I believe is the best I have heard of with either production model. He hangs the normal way but credits at least some gain to the following.

Paraphrased with permission:
Not too healthy, wanted to change things, including penis. Dusted off stationary bike to get some aerobic work. Wanted to find a way to hang while riding. Weights did not work. Put on a dog collar just below knee. Attached hanger to penis and hook on hanger to collar. Started riding. Good punctuated stretch with no discoloration. Liked it and went for thirty minutes. Switches legs.

Loving the concept of multi-tasking, ole Bib had to get on the bike and try it. It is different and and probably does assist in length gains. Whatever, if you have the privacy, it is a good way to get in some extra stretch time. The punctuation of the leg movement is kind of neat.

Any other ideas for multi-tasking? PE is nothing without imagination. Yours or someone else’s.

Bigger

Indeed, too good not to post.

I have a variation of my own: I wear rollerblades and tie the hanger to my dog’s collar and let it chase cats. On other occasions, I tie the hanger to a hamster cage, on one side, and wait for the hamster to start running. Note, this might not be very practical if the hamster is dead for the last couple of months.

I can see it now, Bib Hangers are sold as a bonus for those all-in-one exercise benches (or the other way around).

Well, I got both hanger models, and didn’t get it yet, so I’ll give it some more time till commenting. But there is something little, that
small round metal thingie with the hole in it (what’s the name?)
- it tends to annoy me cause it slide to the other side and I have to mess with it. It would have been nice if it were”open” and glued to the plastic. It would still serve its purpose.

As a general comment, it seems to me, from reading both boards for awhile, that people are feeling uncomfortable to write bad things about the hanger, which of course if counter productive. *shrug*

my 0.02 cents.
PEnister

Penister,

>Well, I got both hanger models, and didn’t get it yet, so I’ll give it some more time till commenting<

Why don’t you ask questions and find out what you are doing wrong?

>that small round metal thingie with the hole in it (what’s the name?) - it tends to annoy me cause it slide to the other side and I have to mess with it. It would have been nice if it were”open” and glued to the plastic. It would still serve its purpose. <

You are going to have to be a little more descriptive. I have no idea what the thingy is.

>As a general comment, it seems to me, from reading both boards for awhile, that people are feeling uncomfortable to write bad things about the hanger, which of course if counter productive<

I kind of have the same impression. Although, I have only had two exchanged and one refund, no bad emails or posts, only good. The silence from the others makes me think this whole thing is a failure for one reason or another. I have been thinking of a way to get out of this crap, and back to my normal life.

This whole deal has been one giant monkey fucking a football.

Bigger

Hey Bib,
I haven’t started using my hanger yet. When I do, I’ll probably be asking questions a couple of times a day. :) I am trying to read as much as possible and keep up on the hanging threads, so when I do start I’ll have a better idea of what I am doing.
Maybe there are some guys that are not having any problems at all and therefore, not posting questions. It would help to see hints and feedback from them though.
I, for one, would hate to see you “get out of this crap”, but do respect your right to a normal life.

LMAO on the monkey and football thing, describes a lot of situations I find myself in.

bib,

i totally agree with the whole respecting your right to have a normal life issue. on the other hand, or rather in the same hand with a different grip, it would be a shame to see you put all of this aside because people aren’t all doing their part in giving adequate feedback. i suppose i’ve been one of those people myself, and i wish i were in a position to be more helpful in that arena. i make no excuse, but i will offer a personally applicable explanation for whatever it’s worth. in my case, i’ve yet to have spent enough time with my starter hanger to encounter any issues that i wouldn’t imagine will be taken care of best through personal experience. in failing to make headway negotiating obstacles in that vein, i’d be more inclined to ask questions of you if i didn’t honestly feel that you’ll likely expend more effort laboring to propose a solution than i may in implementing your suggestions. i guess that is not necessarily a bad thing as many users are likely to experience similar difficulties and everyone could benefit (including you in design improvement or online manual development - not to mention the satisfaction that comes with providing a uniquely useful product and service). ok, i guess i just realised why i’d better be quicker to ask questions.

new point: i imagine that many, many more people have purchased one of your hangers than actually use them. i would guess that it is just like any other exercise equipment in that respect. people that aren’t using it out of time constraint, laziness, fear(i have a bit of the first and last two going on myself), or what have you aren’t likely to correspond in any sense. you probably realise all of this already. ok, fuck all this noise. i’ll just ask some questions or raise some points with which i could use some help.

here’s what i’ll do. i’ll go to the website right now and order some freaking theraband so that i have one last obstacle in the way. having the right equipment can be key. “when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail”. i’m not about to start hammering my dick into me because i’m going for quite the opposite effect. besides that, i spend enough time already banging things against each other - namely my head and the wall with my current relationship situation.

i have a few primary issues to contend with in this endeavor.

1) time constraints due to privacy.

this i can work with. it’ll take some scheduling changes, but it is conceivable. one thing of which i am leary, however, is that if i can only manage one or two 20 minute sessions a day at this point, that all i will accomplish is to make my ligs stronger and make growth more difficult to come by. any thoughts on how little time is still worthwhile in terms of minutes in a day and sessions per week?

2) my girlfriends sex drive.

i don’t know what to do here. after the shit i’ve gone through in the past several months (available for everyone’s assessment in thorne’s lab), the last thing i want is to not be able to achieve or maintain an erection. that may point to a greater issue, but then again, we are all here to make our dicks bigger in the first place so whatever on that. my point is that i don’t think i’ve got an energy reserve enough to deal with facing that problem even once right now. thus, i’ve been focusing on girth work exclusively for the time being. gains are extremely slow going if happening at all. of course, that is another motivation to begin hanging as i hear it often does wonders for girth as well as length. any thoughts on erectile difficulty(short term) and fatigue/recovery time as it relates to having sex are most welcome. i’ve read various and scattered opinions that you and others have posted in the past, and i suppose it’s mostly an individual experience sort of thing. again, the problem is that i don’t feel like i have much leeweigh(how the fuck do you spell that word?) with which to work on this issue right now.

3) i fear the worst.

the last thing i want is to incapacitate myself. i would so rather have a small dick that works than a dick of any size that doesn’t. i guess the key is to take it slowly and, as you’ve said in many places, develop the confidence and experience that it takes to get to a point where one can just “rip it”. i don’t expect any babying from you or a denial that things could go wrong, but i sure could use some babying in that respect. there was a time when i was so down about my cock that i could’ve seen myself doing anything, no matter what the risk, in an effort to get gains - an “i’m gonna have a big dick or no dick at all” kind of m.o., but i’m just not there anymore.

i realise these aren’t questions that are specific to your product, but for me they’re very much related because if i don’t get a handle on these issues, i’m not likely to have an useful insights about your hangers.

for whatever it’s worth,
BeBop

Bebop,

I found a cheaper website for Theraband.

http://www.prom … m/theraband.htm

A six yard roll is $16.

Wanted to get that in before you ordered.

Bigger

Bebop,

Ok, now for the other stuff.

>only manage one or two 20 minute sessions a day at this point, that all i will accomplish is to make my ligs stronger and make growth more difficult to come by. <

No, I don’t think it works that way. One or two session per day will probably give you growth, just not as fast. The biggest reason for hanging longer is, it will give gains quicker which motivates one to continue. A guy who is not patient may give up before a less vigorous routine has time to have an affect.

The ligs will become ‘stronger’ either way, just because of the fiber bundles becoming more equal. Read the thread about it in here. The other point is hanging in a fatigued state will allow stress on sucessive limiting factors before the preceeding LFs have a chance to heal.

>any thoughts on how little time is still worthwhile in terms of minutes in a day and sessions per week? <

This will differ for each guy. It seems some guys can breath on their penis and get gains. I think anyone can gain at a good rate with ten hours per week. That would be 2 hours for five days per week.

Of course, this also depends on the guy hanging at his max weight until forced to go down by fatigue. If you push the max, and fatigue the tissues quickly, you could get worthwhile gains in six or seven hours per week. Also, a little manual stretching when possible will help the hanging work.

The thing is, if you use your imagination, you can find easily find the time to do ten or more hours per week. Multi-tasking while watching TV, surfing, etc. Privacy usually becomes the limiting factor.

>any thoughts on erectile difficulty(short term) and fatigue/recovery time as it relates to having sex are most welcome<

I never was unable to perform even when working my hardest. Sometimes it was sore, but always rose to the occasion. When I new I was going to have sex, I would usually take it a little easy on that day. But many times, I just went with what I had. If you have any problems in that regard, it will probably be more mental than anything.

>there was a time when i was so down about my cock that i could’ve seen myself doing anything, no matter what the risk, in an effort to get gains - an “i’m gonna have a big dick or no dick at all” kind of m.o., but i’m just not there anymore<

This subject is one I have often been tempted to write about, but do not have the cojones. The most I have written is about the risk/reward relationship. However, I remember how scared I was when trying different things. It took several months of heavy work before I “let it rip”. For me, I found once again how resiliant the human body is.

To the point, it is all a matter of experience. The more work you do, the more confidence you develop, so the more work you do. If you listen to what your body says, you can feel fairly safe. The bottom line is, you have want the gains enough to throw at least a little caution to the wind. Just throw it in increments.

Bigger

Penister,

>small round metal thingie with the hole in it (what’s the name?)
- it tends to annoy me cause it slide to the other side and I have to mess with it. It would have been nice if it were”open” and glued to the plastic. It would still serve its purpose. <

I got it. You mean the washer that is on the top adjustment/tightening bolt?

It should not get in the way. When you get ready to put on the hanger, make sure the hex nut is all the way to the head of the bolt, and the wing nut is all the way to the bead. Then, slide the tightening bolt through the hole on the left side to where the washer is against the padding. There the washer will be completely out of the way.

Then, put your shaft in the well and close the hanger with your left hand. Now, grab the washer and wing nut with your fingers and pull the tightening bolt through that hole on the left side and put it over the ears on the right side down into the washer seat. While still holding the hanger closed with your hand, you can spin the wing nut up against the washer to save time. Then tighten the rest of the way.

I have never seen a washer “open”, with a groove cut out of it the way you described above.

If you don’t understand, ask questions.

Bigger

These remarks regarding the Bib Hangeer are unsolicited. Buy it, use it consistently, and give it time. It is a first-rate PE device that works.

vivace,

Hey, I appreciate that. Are you ready to come out with any gains yet?

How is the life of celibacy going? If this is a sore or blue subject, please forgive me.

Bigger

I started at 6 BP by 4.8 girth. Now just under 7 by 5.1 girth. Very slow, but definate improvement. The hanger sealed at least 1/4 inch length since I started 4th of july this year. I am in at about 22 months of consistent PE—stretch and jelq.

As for the wife thing, I am out of our bed. While rejecting me a couple of weeks ago she smiled and patted me on the head. Like a F—ing dog. So rather than to rage, I shut my mouth the past 2 weeks and moved out of the bedroom… Still doing the help thing around the house. I eat with the family, do the dad stuff, but answer her questions with Yup and Nope and sleep in my office. She has said nothing to me about my moveout or anything for that matter. I am pretty sure her hormones are messed. She cleans the silver when she is upset. And today she did all of it. This has been 22 months of hard relationship work on my part. She seems to have done nothing. Kids and work come first for her. I am her dog, faithful, I fetch, loyal, don’t gamble, drink, lay around—what a turn off. I will stay away as long as I can, I usually do the apologizing, but not this time,,,It is a challenge to finally see how long it will take her to break the ice… well, now that was a shitload more than you needed or wanted know, eh? Thanks for the ear.

vivace,

Hey, I don’t understand. What do you mean rejecting YOU. Did you fuck up and go begging for it? If so, someone needs to kick your ass. The moving out of the bedroom is a nice touch, but the yep and nope is not going to work.

Bigger

Bib,

Yepp that “thingie”. Hrm I’ll try doing it the way you suggested and see what happens. The reason I don’t ask is that I know the answers are just lying around in the forums. I’ve read all the hanging threads a few times just can’t remember it all :)
But, hey, if you don’t mind answering the same questions again I’ll surely ask =)

Regarding people being uncomfortable to say bad things about the hanger. I didn’t mean by that that it’s a bad device, it is good. If it weren’t I wouldn’t have bought the second one. Having said that, and even if one can’t think of bad things to say about it, one should assume it is not perfect. I bet that in a year from now you’ll have some ideas on making it better Ah yeah, and what I wanted to say was that by uncomfortable I meant that it seems that people are hesitant due to the social aspect of your status in the forums and how they would be considered by others. There was some thread at first criticizing the hanger, although not in a legitimate way, people ganged on the person.

vivace,

Let me shove myself in your thread with Bib. If you care about your relationship with her, you need to talk and find out what’s wrong. If you can’t do it together, use a third party. Obviously it’s not just about sex, and games like that won’t do you good.

PEnister

Yes, Okay, I f——up. There, I was avoiding telling you as I know you were absolutely right. She came on to me 2 weeks into my perfect man routine and was her old self. It was absolutely the best F—k, ahem,,,,lovemaking session since early marriage. The next day, I innitiated and that was when she pet me like a dog—ala go scratch fido. Rather than rage (as wanted too and have done in the recent past) I left the room and hae been gone since. I know I did not follow your protocol, but I was horny and thought it may be time. This was a week ago, Today she is very distant and no make-up in sight, unless I give in. I am tired of doing the makeup shit, would rather see how long it takes her to start a dialog. Not holding my breath. I know the kids and her job are a lot of work, but cannot figure out why she has put me on hold for so long. I am pretty sure, this fetchin puppy has trained her over the past 10 years on what my MO is. By the way, why is it that men have to expect that it is the womans choice on when and where sex is? It is very hard now for me to even talk to her. Advise on how to break that ice without wrecking the past weeks work of limited contact. She is definately pissed. I think she thinks I am a spoiled child having a tantrum—she’d be right on that.

Bib Wrote
>I kind of have the same impression. Although, I have only had two exchanged and one refund, no bad emails or posts, only good. The silence from the others makes me think this whole thing is a failure for one reason or another. I have been thinking of a way to get out of this crap, and back to my normal life.

This whole deal has been one giant monkey fucking a football. >

Hey Bib,

I was one of the first to order your production hanger. I started at about 5.65 EBP now am at 6.5 at the best I have measured. For the longest time I was really unable to wrap correctly. Then one of your post on the PE Forums sight ‘clicked’. It was the part about wrapping perpendicular to the shaft for the first layer of wrapping. For the longest time I did not understand what that meant. For me hanging with the hanger was very painfull if I did not attach the hanger pretty far from the head. It always seemed that the hanger itself was resting on the the head. I was never unable to hang more than 10 to 15 minutes without there being too much pain and presssure in the head. Now that I finally grasped how you are supposed to wrap the wrap itself takes alot of the pressure. I have been able to hang 20 minutes sets at 17.5 pounds easy. I only wish that I would have paid more attention to your wrapping recomendations. It is knowledge that is very beneficial.

I would just like to let you know that I am gratefull for your time, effort, patience and knowledge in this area and I would recommend your hanger to ANYONE that wants to hang with comfort. I really have been lurking at these boards the past few months because I just haven’t had time to engage in discussion or post anything meaningfull. My job is killing me as I am working like 60-70 hours a week 7 days a week since July. Just wanted to drop you a line that I really like the hanger and again appreciate your help as we all do.

Thanks Bib
Sappy1