Running a Massive Co-Front.
You guys hanging 25+ lbs scare the crap out of me. Please be carefull.
Running a Massive Co-Front.
Can anyone give me a thread that has an explanation of all these different ways to hang.such as all of the abbreviations mentioned along with the fulcrum?
>What puzzles me is that with this position it doesn’t seem to stay very fatigued throughout the day. But the initial fatigue feeling is much greater than that of the other positions, and this is occuring with only 15 lbs. As to where I needed 35 lbs with OTS and 25 lbs with OTL.<
I think the explanation is that with OTS and OTL you were putting stress on several areas working together, meaning that the actual weight on the limiting factor was less than the 25lbs you were hanging. If you’re getting more stress on the limiting factor alone it’s safer and more economical. I think the fatigue thing is because you have not hung at this angle for long, and even slight changes in angle can change the specific area that the stress is on so it makes sense that a change from OTS to SO might bring some other fibers into play that were not being targeted previously, and these need more work to fatigue.
This is a good since you have been able to drop a huge amount of weight in this change. Although these new fibers are ‘fresh’ it is clearly easier to stretch them than the whole bunch of other fibers being targeted previously.
If you are stretching SO (and SO is above your LOT) and you feel fatigue on the left, this is because the left is shorter/tighter in relation to the right side, so it naturally recieves more stress. As you lengthen and stretch the left side, the feeling of where the stress is during hanging will begin to even out. You might get gains before this happens or you might not, it depends on how much these fibers need to be lengthened. So when the feeling evens out you can expect to need to increase weight.
Also, remember how with OTS you are hitting a combination of fibers? We can see that one of these is the limiting factor you are targeting now with SO, as you felt the stress in the same area. So if after some months and hopefully some gains from SO hanging you require a large amount of weight again, you can assume that this fiber has been lengthened. So if you go back to OTS it will no longer take any of the stress. This makes sense because for fibers to work in conjunction they have to be taut when stretched at a particular angle - these fibers will now be longer and therefore to long and loose to take any of the weight. Meaning you probably won’t be able to hang as much weight with OTS as you can now.
Of course if your LOT rises (assuming you follow the theory, some people don’t) you might want to switch to lower angles at some point during this process if you feel you can make gains faster that way. Just make sure you have cemented any gains you made before changing angles (trust me on that one).
>Can anyone give me a thread that has an explanation of all these different ways to hang.such as all of the abbreviations mentioned along with the fulcrum?<
If you scroll down and check out PE FAQ and glossary, the abbreviations are in there. The different ways to hang can be found in the hanging article in Tutorials, if I remember correctly. For a pic of how to use the fulcrum with hanging, look up my progress report entitled “SS4’s progress report”.
thanks for your insight, when you say cement the gains what exactly do you mean and for how long. Second thing from my description, do you think it is the crus of the penis, crus of the CC, or tunica or what. I checked the left side of it while erect now, and it also goes out to the left. So now I’m wondering is it the tunica again, since it seems to expand with erection. This is hard to explain, on the base of my unit while erect the right side aims straight back through the body, but the left side gradually increases to the left at the point where inters the body. Nothing extreme just gradually.
I thought I read someone say something about tunica deformities, is this a possibility. If so does that or the previous mean that it might eventually take so much weight to initiate gains that the bib won’t be able to hold on. Or that my glans won’t be able to take the pressure. I tried 20 lbs. last night in SO to see if I could take it and I was able to endure it. Now I know typically one should not jump 5 lbs at a time, but I feel like I an exception to the rule. Do you agree or am I wrong. I thought maybe that would jump start gains, or really get this thing loosened up. Thanks
Funny thing is no wonder my base girth is 6 inches my dick is retarted and deformed. :eek2:
> thanks for your insight, when you say cement the gains what exactly do you mean and for how long.<
Continue doing what you did to get the gains for 2-3 weeks, or longer if you want to play it totally safe.
>Second thing from my description, do you think it is the crus of the penis, crus of the CC, or tunica or what.<
I would say it is the left side of the tunica that is a little tighter/shorter than the right side.
>I checked the left side of it while erect now, and it also goes out to the left.<
Yes I expected this would be so. If you point to the left while erect the left side must be tighter. If you follow what I suggest above this will straighten out.
>So now I’m wondering is it the tunica again, since it seems to expand with erection. This is hard to explain, on the base of my unit while erect the right side aims straight back through the body, but the left side gradually increases to the left at the point where inters the body. Nothing extreme just gradually.<
I cannot visualise what you mean, but it’s not uncommon to have uneven girth along the shaft, especially at the base. I would not worry about it.
>I thought I read someone say something about tunica deformities, is this a possibility.<
I don’t think so.
>If so does that or the previous mean that it might eventually take so much weight to initiate gains that the bib won’t be able to hold on. Or that my glans won’t be able to take the pressure.<
>I tried 20 lbs. last night in SO to see if I could take it and I was able to endure it.<
Well sure but your tolerance to stress has nothing to do with the safety of your hanging sets. Was it comfortable? Could you do something else such as read a book without getting agitated, sweating, shuffling in your seat etc? If not then it’s too much.
>Now I know typically one should not jump 5 lbs at a time, but I feel like I an exception to the rule. Do you agree or am I wrong.<
I disagree that you are the exception to the rule. If you are getting fatigue at 15 pounds then stick with that for a weeks or two. You might then find you need to reduce the weight because of fatigue, this is what you are aiming for. If not add 1-2 pounds and re-evaluate after another week.
>I thought maybe that would jump start gains, or really get this thing loosened up. Thanks<
I don’t recommend it, epecially as this is a new angle you’re using, and especially as it seems to be going well for you so far. Don’t look for a quick fix the stakes are too high. It’s your dick, friend, but if you ignore my warnings and then get an injury, don’t look to me for sympathy.
I have done 35 pounds for 2 x 10 minute sets followed by 10 minute sets with reductions in weight for each set. Then I followed it all up with an ADS.
The fact is I gained very little if anything as I went to higher and higher weights and I could not hang every day because of soreness the next day. In fact, it became very difficult to figure out what the right amount of weight was that I could handle since soreness varied so much based on how many hours between hanging sessions.
This got me to thinking about plastic tissue deformation and I figured out that one high weight set to fatigue the tissues relatively fast (basically the purpose is to stretch out the elasticity), then reduce the weight by 50% and hang for as many hours a day as I could. This is what I will do once I am done with my three month break (only been working on girth lately, but my LOT since then has changed even though my EL is the same).
I had been PEing for more than a year nonstop before I took this break so who that could have something to do with my lack of gains, but I really believe that one short high weight set, followed by lots of lower weight sets is the way to go because if you just use low weight, you will never get beyond the elastic stretch and if you just use high weight, you will never actually deform the tissues because they won’t be able to actually “mold” themselves during the short amount of time your tissues can handle high weights, plus you will build up collagen much faster as a response to tissue stress and therefore your penis will be less like a rubber band and more like a rope.
Anyways, I gained around 2 inches the first 6 months and a little more than an inch the next 6 months and I pretty much got zero gains for several months after that, so either I have hit my maximum length potential, I need a break for deconditioning, or the higher hanging weights just ended up being the wrong way to go. No matter what, when I am done with my break, I am going to start off at lower weights and try and follow this principle in the hopes the combination of high weights and low weights will get me just another inch over the next 6 months.
Thanks a lot for everyone’s advice and insight, thanks a million SS4jelq
I first built up to a regular 32-36 lb. Alternating weight and at that time did not even feel stretached by 27! I have now de-conditioned and am at 23 lbs with good fatigue. The most I ever hung was 41 lbs for 3 minutes—decided to take it the heck off.