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Rethinking the Bib Hanger

Thanks gerry. That’s a pretty good amount of total wrapped girth.

Calling all New BH + Theraband users on these:
What’s the max duration of your sets at max weight and low or ADS weight respectively?
Have you tried HTW or unwrapped with the New BH? How did those results compare to Thera?

Just like real mcdeal said thanks gerry for your input. :)

I have a Starter with lock nuts on strap bolts. Padding is still on. I like the Starter much better than various wench type of home-made hangers I made last month. The Starter does not cause glans pain, so I have been able to add a pound a day from ten to fifteen since the Starter arrived.

If I widen the bottom it grips with less tightening of the top bolt, and it’s more comfortable, except at the top. I wad some Conair Pony Wrap under the top teeth instead of trimming the teeth. Definitely a bite up there on top and some pinching on sides right at top. I have to fix that bite in the top channel before going higher than fifteen pounds.

I’m using doubled therawrap red. Black therawrap is in the mail. Therawrap is better than automotive blue shop towel paper towels but I still use blue shop towel for some manual things. I couldn’t get the htw on without an applicator tube, which I didn’t want to make.

There was a bite at the top of the side teeth and the top overlapping teeth when in the bottom wider than top config with a padded Starter.

I cut triangles of hard(not very) upholstery foam and filled the two side triangular troughs(between side teeth and top overlapping teeth). I just used electrical tape to hold those triangles in place. Then I put a rectangle about an inch and a quarter wide by two inches or so long under the top overlapping teeth to prevent pinching. Here is the material used to make the rectangle:

Spring Bak Insoles http://www.jumpusa.com/springbak_insoles.html

Hung fifteen pounds comfortably with this temp solution. Unsure what to do for a real fix.

Also the pinch in the bottom that happens with a bottom wider config was fixed by laying in a “shelf” of the insole material, another 1.25” x 2.25” inch rectangle. That covers the bottom gap that is getting too big because of the wider bottom config.

Originally Posted by pnoewbe
Unsure what to do for a real fix.

Don’t worry about it - the trick with the Bib Hanger is to find what works for you. You may want to examine your wrapping technique.

I use a fairly loose wrap and a half of sweatshirt material and a moderately tight wrap of about 15 inches of Theraband.

Less padding and wrapping, believe it or not, is what most seem to prefer. I know it seems like more wrap and more padding is better, but I’ve found that to not be the case.

pnoewbe,

How is your circulation and fluid build up with the top triangle space filled?

The triangular channel is where the dorsal veins should have unrestricted passage. I’d really imagine that while comfortable it’s not a working solution for a long day of safe hanging.
My fix was that, as I ground the top teeth down little by little (only one Bib beta hanger, not wanting to mess it up in a hurry), it got to where top pinching was a slight problem. I then ground out the top space upwards, so the veins ride a little higher but still freely and the skin never pinched. I’ve done the same with my Starter but to a lesser degree; the results are equally successful

The basal gap shelf you mention is something like the patches I posted about here, but those are made with channels cut out pro circulation, anti fluid build up.
I’ve since ground down the top teeth a fair bit more, and don’t need the patch filling up space anymore in order to unwrapped get a good enough basal spread for excellent CC grip and no twisting of the shaft inside the well.

rmcd

“Less padding and wrapping, believe it or not, is what most seem to prefer”

.Probably because padding and wrapping introduces slack. Spring Bak insoles are more dense than hard upholstery foam or gel insoles, so no slack is brought in by using the insole material. While I am only using insole material to pad problem areas, it might be good to use it on top of teeth in the first place, on “molar” type of flat-topped teeth like someone(realmcdeal?) here is experimenting with different tire track type of patterns with.

“How is your circulation and fluid build up with the top triangle space filled”

Great circulation, no fluid, with fifteen pounds for 30 minutes btc once, and so-bag-fulcrum once. The corner of the top side teeth bites slightly, even with the top triangles filled with foam that gives and lets the corner bite. That’s why I then add a rectangle(1-1/4” x 2-1/4” rectangle) of the Spring Bak insole material, to pad those top corners of side teeth, and also to prevent pinching by top teeth.

Tonight I finally got a HTW on. 4-1/4” FG and I can put four fingers, two on each side, into a Conair Pony Wrap from wlmrt, to spread it and get it on. I can double the wrap tube, but not re-double at the front. I imagine it will make a great all-night wrap for trying to heal stretched.

The switch from therawrap to pony(not horse or I wouldn’t be here) wrap means I don’t haved to lay in a “shelf(1-1/4” x 2-1/4” rectangle)” of Spring Bak insole over the bottom gap teeth. SO, I have an unmodified padded Starter, two layers of Conair pony wrap, a rectangle of Spring Bak insole under the top teeth to prevent pinching by top teeth and to prevent biting of top corner of side teeth, and I still have those triangles of semi-hard upholstery foam filling the top triangular spaces.

Finally, something comfortable, as if heavier weights will work. And as someone said, the same hang produces good soreness with the comfortable setup. I did a btc last night and got soreness, so fifteen pounds is still the right weight. Right now I’m doing that “bib says this will work” fulcrum with a rice bag, but I’m just using a block of semi-hard upholstery foam. It’s almost as hard a foam as those colored blocks for the pilates stuff, in fact you could cut those up, but of course foam will not store heat like rice or flax seed.

“The basal gap shelf you mention is something like the patches I posted about here, but those are made with channels cut out pro circulation, anti fluid build up. I’ve since ground down the top teeth a fair bit more, and don’t need the patch filling up space anymore in order to unwrapped get a good enough basal spread for excellent CC grip and no twisting of the shaft inside the well”

I’m reluctant to file top teeth until I’ve tried everything, but they’ve always pinched unless I use this pad, or a tight enough wrap and pushed down on the wrap on top while tightening. If I didn’t have wrap and the original padding on teeth, I can’t imagine the side teeth would not bite.

It’s funny, 30 minutes and I don’t want to take it off.

If realmcdeal’s gripper pattern patch was on top, my patch on top is probably not getting any grip at all.

How wide do those patch channels have to be to promote circulation but not be painful? Metric if you like.

Some biting on top tendon this time(so pulley). Maybe I should file, but that means stripping the padding off the teeth. Realmcdeal makes filing sound promising though.

“The triangular channel is where the dorsal veins should have unrestricted passage”

It’s too small, so the opposite is happening. Sharp teeth is what I feel. I could file out that top triangular channel and round the top corner of the side teeth. I can see a tendon on top that’s too big to fit into that channel, and veins are perhaps beside that tendon but I can’t see them.

>Spring Bak insoles are more dense than hard upholstery foam or gel insoles, so no slack is brought in by using the insole material. While I am only using insole material to pad problem areas, it might be good to use it on top of teeth in the first place, on “molar” type of flat-topped teeth like someone(realmcdeal?) here is experimenting with different tire track type of patterns with.
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Molar top teeth is a flattering description of those on my beta Bib; now ground down beyond zero (indents ground out as well), there’s actually nothing left of the original top teeth.
On my Starter, about half the length the top teeth are still there, so those are almost but not quite down to molar length.

I’m not adding anything at the top space area. The first mod I did on the Starter was to cut and rip out the top teeth padding. You said yours is unmodded, but fear not doing so, since this padding serves no practical purpose; and you’ll obviously have to rid it anyway if you were to grind the teeth down.

>I have an unmodified padded Starter,
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Top teeth padding comes right off.

>Right now I’m doing that “bib says this will work” fulcrum with a rice bag,
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Also might want to try a fulcrum placed over the top of the shaft, hanging at angles somewhere between SO and SU. A mini-block under the desk and fulcrum rod under the thighs, shaft under that; you get the idea.

>I’m reluctant to file top teeth until I’ve tried everything, but they’ve always pinched unless I use this pad, or a tight enough wrap and pushed down on the wrap on top while tightening.
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Pushing the top downwards into the well when tightening the top is standard procedure for me. It works every time done SD with a low weight; just a kg or so.

>If I didn’t have wrap and the original padding on teeth, I can’t imagine the side teeth would not bite.
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I hang unwrapped, no pinch. See above, and below.

>It’s funny, 30 minutes and I don’t want to take it off.
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I kind of like that too. Newbie hangers should take care not to go past 20 min or so because in the beginning they’ll be stretching the blood vessels real thin. Later, 30 min is not the limit with an optimally modded Starter, and HTW or unwrapped. I never got up to 30 min with Theraband.

Like gerry posted above, a Bib is meant to be personally adjusted but also with success tool customized. Bleh (pun)

>How wide do those patch channels have to be to promote circulation but not be painful? Metric if you like.
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First, you need the mousepad material to be thick enough that your shaft belly won’t be mashed on the plastic which the mousepad is taped to. I had the best results with a 6mm thick foamy mousepad (I wrote spongy in a previous post, but that was an error I realized after edit time was out).

With this material and thickness, I found the optimal channel width around 4mm. The pattern as in #3, last patch pic; or a variation of that one, with the end channels slightly less diagonal, not merging with the other channels all the way out on the side. Three channels merging looks good in theory, but it can be tricky to make the merging point as slim as the width of the channels.

Foamy material definitely helps because it’s much easier to cut than spongy material. It also has better adhesive properties.

Those with slim shaft, the top area modded and a patch fix should be worthwhile to explore.
Those with girthier shaft should find an ever better result with the top area modded and no patch.

HTWs all the way, or unwrapped. Meaning if I had a slim shaft I’d throw in a patch instead of over-wrapping with Thera or similar.


>Some biting on top tendon this time(so pulley). Maybe I should file, but that means stripping the padding off the teeth. Realmcdeal makes filing sound promising though.
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Check back on the SD top tightening I mentioned. And sooner or later that padding is coming off.

>”The triangular channel is where the dorsal veins should have unrestricted passage”

It’s too small, so the opposite is happening. Sharp teeth is what I feel. I could file out that top triangular channel and round the top corner of the side teeth.
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First grind the length of the teeth, then hang and adjust your basal settings with the top teeth fully engaged. With these settings, use a mildly rounded needle-file and grind out on the engaged teeth so you get a high and smooth arch.
Careful with the rounding; the skin will find its way into the the crease. Gently smooth the sharpness away after grinding, no more than that.

>I can see a tendon on top that’s too big to fit into that channel, and veins are perhaps beside that tendon but I can’t see them.
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Is that not the wide contours of a dorsal vein you’re seeing?

I took the pads out. I cut just a door in the pad, leaving it hinged, so I could round the sharp corners of the middle and rear side teeth, at their tops where the triangular dorsal vein hole goes in.

I can see that my dorsal veins are at the bottom of a big tendon, and the veins are right at that sharp corner, not up in the triangular holes.

You ground away the side teeth completely, and removed part of the top teeth?

Thanks for the hanging tips.

I appreciate the difficulty of designing a one size fits all device. Little by little, filing toward optimal for personal fit.

I’ll try the top pad rectangle again, before taking all the pad off. I want to hear if realmcdeal ground the side teeth away before I take my bib pad off. Definitely don’t need the bottom pad insole rectangle, no pinch at the bottom hinge.

These are Starter beta pics from mos:

I think I can round out my top and bottom wide areas after viewing those. Also file a bit of concavity into the face of the side teeth, like the pic. Can’t do anything about the top and bottom teeth, can’t add to them, but I can work around that.

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