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Rethinking the Bib Hanger

From the picture, the new mold appears to be an improvement over the earlier design. It looks like there’s more plastic on top so that the top screw sits deeper. That’s good. There’s also a deeper well for the nut on the other side.

To any one frightened by the teeth, I’m pretty sure that soft rubber inserts fit over them and form a nice cushion for the side pieces.

I also see that he’s using stop nuts for the side straps. That’s good and will keep the straps from falling off.

I really wish he would make position of the strap attachment adjustable. If it’s too big a deal to make adjustable, I think the straps should be attached higher (closer to the top screw) to better hit the tunica.


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Last edited by ModestoMan : 07-15-2006 at .

Well actually the depth of the wells have been changed the top teeth as your can see have been changed made bigger and thicker also the bottom teeth have been changed been made longer so you won’t fall through the hanger.


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Originally Posted by solid snake
So I take it nobody Knows Bib redesigned his hanger then take a look on his site.

ss, is www.bibhanger.com the site you referred to, or does Bib have a new one we haven’t heard about yet? The old site doesn’t seem to have changed and it doesn’t mention or show a picture of the new hanger like the one you posted.

Do you have any info on the cost and availabity of the new hanger? Does one size fit all, or will there be a Regular and a Starter, as with the Bib original? Thanks for your additional help on this.

Hank (WannaB9x7)

Originally Posted by WannaB9x7
Ss, is www.bibhanger.com the site you referred to, or does Bib have a new one we haven’t heard about yet? The old site doesn’t seem to have changed and it doesn’t mention or show a picture of the new hanger like the one you posted.

Do you have any info on the cost and availabity of the new hanger? Does one size fit all, or will there be a Regular and a Starter, as with the Bib original? Thanks for your additional help on this.

Hank (WannaB9x7)

The price is the same if you look on the site you can see in red writing,

Both the Regular and the Starter Hanger molds have been updated and improved. There should be no delay in delivery now.

So if you order from http://www.bibhanger.com/ you will get the updated and improved hanger.

As for which one to go with you will have to ask Bib.


Also posted as Dlrowdnilb

solid snake,

Let me spell this out for you because you seem to be having a problem catching on.

I emailed Bib yesterday and posted his reply above. He isn’t selling these at the moment, maybe he will in the future, who knows, but they are not for sale now. Straight from the horses mouth.


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Originally Posted by ThunderSS
Solid snake,

Let me spell this out for you because you seem to be having a problem catching on.

I emailed Bib yesterday and posted his reply above. He isn’t selling these at the moment, maybe he will in the future, who knows, but they are not for sale now. Straight from the horses mouth.

Ok Thunder lol.


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New BH design

MM,

I’m not surprised you’re able to do longer sets with those changes you’ve made. They’re all pretty much what I’ve been doing, just like Xenolith did. I wasn’t aware that hobby also did did them, but he’s done a fair bit of this and that I guess, and I have no doubt he would make it work one way or another.
I made an attempt to explain my settings and slight modifications here: Twisting in Bib Hangers: Not this way.

I had the pleasure to beta test the updated unpadded BH design. If it’s the final product I’m using now, I don’t know, but most of the changes are good. I - like everyone else on the list - was asked not to mention the news, but that was then. I was expediting to see more talk on the new BH by now actually.

The front thumbs are rounded on the new design; not the easiest thing to evaluate since I don’t hang heavy weights, but I don’t think it’s the most significant change anyway. I expect increased comfort at higher weights, particularly when not toed out. I’m using a significant toe out, so again this didn’t do much for me. While the grip of the naked, unpadded hanger is much better at any given degree of tightening compared to the padded (grips like a mother, in Bib’s on words), at lower weights the rounded thumbs won’t dig in as easily; especially when your unit is beat and tired after a long days work and you have some trouble pumping up blood to the glans.

The new design doesn’t seem prone to break, like the old Starters did. My old Starter did, anyway, but that issue was addressed with an update on the “old” design, so that improvement basically stuck with the new design as well.

A much welcomed improvement IMO, are the long basal teeth. They engage, leaving no gap at the base; and no teeth can dig into the shaft. This design change has allowed me to hang completely unwrapped. Like MM says, HTW’s are leagues better than Theraband, and makes a hanging career a lot easier in many ways. Nude hanging is just more of that. All I had to do with the basal teeth was to grind and sand them nice and smooth. HTW or nude hanging leads into the dilemma with the beta design:

The cavity, or well, or what you call it, is too large. I have a lot of girth, and told Bib I can’t get the hanger to grip my shaft with the out of the box design, at tightest settings. With Thera, this wouldn’t have been a problem, but I explained to Bib that Thera is done with and has no place anymore in my hanging work. So, my wrapping is very thin at one folded 1/2 HTW (or even non existent as it’s been for a while), and I had to grind the top teeth down significantly to get the hanger tight enough to grip. Now, I might have done that anyway since my settings are /\; I have done so with the old Starter, although I never had a problem with it not gripping, padded or stripped as it is now (I still run comparisons between the old and new designs. I encouraged Bib to discuss the wrapping issue and its implication for the design of the new BH, but correspondence has ceased.

If the latter issue is successfully addressed on the final product, this hanger has everything to recommend it. If you have an old Starter but no HTW, I say get HTW’s and strip the padding off. You’ll still need a folded HTW for the old Starter, since the basal teeth don’t engage.

rm

Originally Posted by solid snake
The price is the same if you look on the site you can see in red writing,

Both the Regular and the Starter Hanger molds have been updated and improved. There should be no delay in delivery now.

So if you order from http://www.bibhanger.com/ you will get the updated and improved hanger.

As for which one to go with you will have to ask Bib.

Thanks ss. I understand what you’re saying about Bib’s site but still see only pics of the old models, plus no discussion of what looks like some radical changes in the new one (judging by the pic you posted), which is why I was concerned. I’ll probaby order the regular size after summer vacation. Appreciate your help on this. —Hank (WannaB9x7)

Originally Posted by real mcdeal
MM,

I’m not surprised you’re able to do longer sets with those changes you’ve made. They’re all pretty much what I’ve been doing, just like Xenolith did. I wasn’t aware that hobby also did did them, but he’s done a fair bit of this and that I guess, and I have no doubt he would make it work one way or another.
I made an attempt to explain my settings and slight modifications here: Twisting in Bib Hangers: Not this way.

I had the pleasure to beta test the updated unpadded BH design. If it’s the final product I’m using now, I don’t know, but most of the changes are good. I - like everyone else on the list - was asked not to mention the news, but that was then. I was expediting to see more talk on the new BH by now actually.

The front thumbs are rounded on the new design; not the easiest thing to evaluate since I don’t hang heavy weights, but I don’t think it’s the most significant change anyway. I expect increased comfort at higher weights, particularly when not toed out. I’m using a significant toe out, so again this didn’t do much for me. While the grip of the naked, unpadded hanger is much better at any given degree of tightening compared to the padded (grips like a mother, in Bib’s on words), at lower weights the rounded thumbs won’t dig in as easily; especially when your unit is beat and tired after a long days work and you have some trouble pumping up blood to the glans.

The new design doesn’t seem prone to break, like the old Starters did. My old Starter did, anyway, but that issue was addressed with an update on the “old” design, so that improvement basically stuck with the new design as well.

A much welcomed improvement IMO, are the long basal teeth. They engage, leaving no gap at the base; and no teeth can dig into the shaft. This design change has allowed me to hang completely unwrapped. Like MM says, HTW’s are leagues better than Theraband, and makes a hanging career a lot easier in many ways. Nude hanging is just more of that. All I had to do with the basal teeth was to grind and sand them nice and smooth. HTW or nude hanging leads into the dilemma with the beta design:

The cavity, or well, or what you call it, is too large. I have a lot of girth, and told Bib I can’t get the hanger to grip my shaft with the out of the box design, at tightest settings. With Thera, this wouldn’t have been a problem, but I explained to Bib that Thera is done with and has no place anymore in my hanging work. So, my wrapping is very thin at one folded 1/2 HTW (or even non existent as it’s been for a while), and I had to grind the top teeth down significantly to get the hanger tight enough to grip. Now, I might have done that anyway since my settings are /\; I have done so with the old Starter, although I never had a problem with it not gripping, padded or stripped as it is now (I still run comparisons between the old and new designs. I encouraged Bib to discuss the wrapping issue and it’s implication for the design of the new BH, but correspondence has ceased.

If the latter issue is successfully addressed on the final product, this hanger has everything to recommend it. If you have an old Starter but no HTW, I say get HTW’s and strip the padding off. You’ll still need a folded HTW for the old Starter, since the basal teeth don’t engage.

Rm

Interesting stuff at a certain angle I find it does not grip as good but otherwise it’s ok.


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Originally Posted by WannaB9x7
Thanks ss. I understand what you’re saying about Bib’s site but still see only pics of the old models, plus no discussion of what looks like some radical changes in the new one (judging by the pic you posted), which is why I was concerned. I’ll probaby order the regular size after summer vacation. Appreciate your help on this. —Hank (WannaB9x7)

No problem.


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That was excellent information, Real McDeal. I’m also finding that the well in my standard BH is almost too large for me when wrapping in HTWs. My girth is large as well, so this will be limiting factor for a lot of guys. I still may end up having to trim away some rubber file down some plastic, to get the hanger to the required tightness.


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MM,

In hindsight, I trimmed the padding of too cautiously, not wanting to ruin a good hanger. First, the teeth padding wore and chipped as it would from max tightening, so deciding to scissor it away wasn’t that tough after concluding that tight teeth was indeed my best setting. Little by little, I then ground the teeth about halfway down as well. With my Regular, no grinding could get me a nice wide spread, forget about HTW’s. Trying the Regular recently for kicks, I easily see how guys turned to seek out other hangers. I could use it up to 14-15 pounds, but had to cut sets short after a few, or drop the weights. Having only had the experience of a Regular, I quit hanging almost two years ago. I eventually went back to this board and checked out posts on the Starter: Got a Starter and found just what I needed, comfy hanging with the top teeth engaged. Then good got better in increments, marked by: 1) Removing the top teeth padding; 2) grinding the top teeth down; 3) replacing the hinge with long basal bolts * see below 4) getting HTW’s and throwing out Thera; 5) completely ripping out the padding.
Parts of that sound rather familiar, I suppose.

In my comparison of Old vs New Starter (beta), I’m definitely not retiring the Old. The New does have a more spacious well, poorly calibrated for a folded HTW or less wrapping. I have gradually ground its top teeth down, and they’re now just stubs instead of big ass shark teeth. At this point I need to deal with a pinching at the top teeth when max tightened; a problem I never have with my ground down Old. But that much grinding was necessary in order to get anywhere near a spread wide basal setting, which is just what the doctor ordered.

*) What I’m describing in that thread I linked to above, beside the spread wide. While not necessary, I prefer to hang without the hinge. I’ve done it for months now and I’m not going back. “Been there done that” is what Bib had to say about it, and that removing the hinge actually did nothing for me as far as countering twisting inside the hanger. Well I can’t be too devastated about that, having used this method with a 100% success rate for months, not to mention that I keep using it.
Anyway, a hinge can be thrown in and out as pleased, and the plastic halves design is basically irrelevant to that. It is however, anything but irrelevant to the type and amount of wrapping used.
In numbers: EG of 6.3-6.7 at the critical point of attachment (the bottom of the well, with a toed out hanger). A folded HTW (actually a 1/2 folded HTW, but two layers is what counts). With that, I actually had to remove the inside basal bolt nuts to get the New beta tight enough to adequately grip for low to medium weights. Chopping the top teeth made a real change, and almost made spread wide possible, but introduced a pinching problem when 2/3 or more was ground away.

If I had to buy an Old Starter or the New beta, it would be the Old. Spread wide and all things considered, it has to be tough to beat regardless of type of hangers. It’s my belief that the New BH could do that with a well calibrated for thin wraps. Until then, I’m still spoiled silly with my Old at spread wide; and I learned from the beta that no padding makes a good BH even better.

rm

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