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SixerMan,

It looks like we’re both on the 5-year plan.


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Originally Posted by ModestoMan

SixerMan,

It looks like we’re both on the 5-year plan.

Amen Brother :homer3d:


cead mile failte :lep:

MM,
The isolation techniques sound like a good way of getting the forces needed at the ligs without exceeding the engineering specification of the skin and veins.

That said, since it sounds like you’re already having issues with skin and veins I think that’s one very good reason to decondition.

A second very good reason is that deconditioning (imho) is not only about allowing tissues to weaken, but also about giving time for the remodelling of the lattice structure so that there is additional potential in the structure that I just don’t think is in there with the current design. If those fibres are all taught right now then the only thing you can do by increasing the intensity is damage them, which isn’t going to help future gains. If instead you just give them some time then they will begin to become wavy again, and the gains will naturally follow. Look at Wads documented experience on this as well as his associate/buddy, and mine.

“Wadda we do now?”
“Now?….We wait.”

Shiver,

I think you’re probably right. Remodeling will probably create a new batch of fibers, some longer and some shorter than my current ones. The problem now is that the fibers are probably mostly the same length. Remodeling will add some variability, which will translate into potential for new gains.

Or, at least I hope so.


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Originally Posted by Shiver
I’ve used a bottle of porcine relaxin (60x 2mcg) in about a week. It didn’t do anything. If it does have any effect I think you’d need at least 500mcg possibly much more if systemic, and for a long time (months) which would be *extremely* cost prohibitive.


Shiver,
This is often the case with OTC supplements. They’ll show a “study” which demonstrated some positive results, and then misuse the data to pitch their supplement. The biggest problem, of course, is that the supplements used in the study were not only in far greater dosages, but even far greater concentrations; and in some cases, even administered by IV, not orally. And, as you mentioned, sometimes there’s a long time period before the benefits “kick in.”

Even if you could reproduce the conditions of the study, it would be enormously expensive. In short, buying that bottle of capsules - which touts that study - is an absolute waste of money. Which is my basic feeling about OTC supplements anyway.

The relaxin experiment was based on the studies of cervical ripening which shows huge changes in tissue extensibility in a very short time frame. Other things known to influence this are PGE-1, Hyaluronic acid and DHEA-S. I’ve tried them all without result, so I never bothered mentioning them on here before. I think it’s fairly safe to conclude that we’re dealing with tissues that respond in a different way. The only reason I held out any hope was because of secondary effects in women under these special circumstances such as pelvic changes, which I assumed were related to ligament changes, and therefore possibly not site specific.

The experiments I did weren’t comparable in a 1 to 1 sense, since they’re borrowing results from a different field, but I would suggest to anyone considering it to save their money and forge a new path.

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