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Pyramidal sets

Does anyone have already try this before? I explain (hope i will be clear enough :) )

I make 20 minutes sets, i begin with 7 pounds and i add 1 pound every 5 minutes.

0 to 5 mn 7 pounds
5 to 10 mn 8 pounds
10 to 15 mn 9 pounds
15 to the end 10 pounds

It’s really intense and seems to be effective (I have really strong ligs and that’s the only thing i’ve found effective to make me feel sore). I’ve try this because after a few minutes of classic hanging (same amount of weights from the beginning till the end) i didn’t feel stretch anymore.

The other way i’ve try is to increase the weights until you reach 10 mns (same as above) and after that, in the last 10 mns you decrease the weights that seems to be effective too but for the moment i’m working on the first one (since 3 weeks).

Give me your opinion about this exercice (if it’s really a new one), or if you have any question just ask.

Frenchy

I think this stuff has merrit Frenchy, I do something similar. I hang 20 minutes with say, 15 pounds, take a break, and, then the next set will be 17.5 pounds. The next will be 20 pounds. Then I’ll back down to 17.5 and hang as many sets as I can at that weight. Depending on the day of the week it is….I hang more on the weekends….I may keep hanging until my penis is too fatigued to hang anymore that day. Even if that means 7.5 pounds is too heavy. I use 2.5lb, 5lb, and, 10lb plates. You increase in 2.5lb increments that way and, I like it.

From my research on hanging, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I think you would want to start out with as much weight as possible to fatigue your ligs or tunica, and then back down that weight if need be for the rest of the sets. I think growth is done during the fatigued stage. As for muscle building, I use the pyramid method in my working out at the gym. I think it works good for muscles, but not for PE.


getting bigger...

coolguy is right on, start at the maximum weight that fatigue and safety will allow, and reduce the weight as fatigue develops. For the pyramid sets, it would be best to start at 10 pounds (if this is your max), and see if you can hang for the 20 minute set. The next set you might only be able to use 10 pounds again, or maybe the fatigue has built up and you can only handle 8 pounds etc.

SS4

Sorry but this time i’m not sure of being completely wrong (but maybe i am who knows :D ) i think that the ligs are a kind of strong elastic wich you put stress on for a short amount of time (20 minutes in that case). Take a piece of latex and stretch it lightly ,after a few minutes (or seconds) put more stress on, do the same 2 or 3 times. At the end you are putting the max amount of stress on something that is already fatigued and who have already lost an important part of his elasticity.

For me it’s the same principle as the blasters , each time you make one more blaster you are putting more stress on the ligs (or tunica), it works the same manner for each stretching exercices.

The pyramidal sets are just a kind of supersets but you make it in one set.

This post may sound like i’m defending myself but it’s not the case, i just want to share something i have found and that i have found to be very efficient.

For me hanging is still something quite experimental, and it is with mistakes and innovations that PE is still progressing.

PS: I’m not attacking anyone :) (note the smiley :D )

Frenchy

Frenchy,

Nah, that wasnt even close to an attack!

>Take a piece of latex and stretch it lightly ,after a few minutes (or seconds) put more stress on, do the same 2 or 3 times. At the end you are putting the max amount of stress on something that is already fatigued and who have already lost an important part of his elasticity.<

Aha, but what if you put the max stretch on from the beginning, and lowered the weight 2 or 3 times as necessary (the opposite of what you said). In this case, the fatigue will be built up more quicky (because of the higher weight used in the beginning), and as the fatigue builds up, you reduce the weight which allows more work to be done and more fatigue to be built up. In this case, max weight is being used all the time, but in the pyramid method max weight is only used after you have built up to it.

I think pyramid sets are good to use on your first set, because sometimes the soft tissues need to adapt to the stresses, especially for uncut people.

Good Luck
SS4

PS J’aime votre image, vous êtes très joli ;) (Note smiley!)

I usually add weight during the first minutes of the first set to allow my dick time to adjust and to avoid injury, but I try to reach max weight ASAP.

In the last sets, I usually find I have to reduce weight.

However, if you have found the pyramid feels right for you, I would suggest continuing.


Ciao

Frenchy is right. Increasing weight uses the streeper part of the creep curve, which is actually stress relaxation. some studies I recently ran across show it to be shockingly more efficient at producing permanent deformation in connective tissues. Here they are:

http://www.jointactivesystems.com/research.html

These studies are missing a piece that is filled in by this one that explains the non-linearity of stress relaxation and creep as the recruitment of other fibers:

Thornton GM, Frank CB, Shrive NG: Ligament Creep Behaviour Can Be Predicted from Stress Relaxation by Incorporating Fibre Recruitment. Journal of Rheology 45:493-507, 2001 (lost my link to the abstract)

Here are Thorton’s other studies:

http://www.mece.ualberta.ca/staff/thornton.htm

Notice how her 1997 study stated that creep and stress relaxation could not be related to each other simply by the models of the time, but the 2001 study fixes the model. That’s what relates the studies illustrated above to hanging, and increasing stress. (Her other results suggest staying well-hydrated all the time helps, also)

In sum the elasticity modulus (inverse of stretchiness) is reduced (more stretchy) quickly for the fibers recruited, then more springs unfurl and creep slows towards an equilibrium. At the equilibrium point the stress still allows creep but much slower. So when the relaxation occurs you up the stress to get back on the steep loosening curve. After doing some geometry I estimate that the increasing range of motion studies indicate that when the protocol is followed an increase of 4-6% per week is possible. However, the patients in the study control the stress through their own sense of pain. Most of the dick connective tissue is not enervated so the danger exists of the stress getting out of control. Also a hanger doesn’t have a natural top end limit of displacement that the devices shown have so that safety factor is also removed. Increasing weight is better than decreasing, but with a hanger it is also a little more dangerous. Perhaps a Bib hanger married to a Jes Extender would be the ideal tunica lengthening device, with three 25-30 minute sets per day 7 days on. Adding constant heat and a final ice down. Dashdeming’s fast initial progress proves this out also.

Finally, from other reading and thinking I believe if you’re gonna get this far ahead and stay ahead of the remodelling process (i.e. regular intense workouts) increased Vitamin C intake would be indicated.

I always started at my max if possible, and then reduced weight as fatigue set in. When/if I had to reduce the weight by about half, I would stop. I also limited Vit C intake. The thought was, the slower the tissues healed, the easier they were to stretch. I also applied heat during the first half of the first half of my sets.

Worked pretty well for me.

Bigger

But, Bib you had all day to do it, no? So eventually creep is gonna do its thing. The increase-stress protocol would suggest more effect in shorter times. If it works it would be a fine tuning on your groundwork. So far no one but Frenchy and Dash have talked about upping weight, and they both like it. I’m next though. My hanger order will show up in a day or two. How fast are you actually turning them around these days?

rak,

>But, Bib you had all day to do it, no? So eventually creep is gonna do its thing. The increase-stress protocol would suggest more effect in shorter times. If it works it would be a fine tuning on your groundwork. So far no one but Frenchy and Dash have talked about upping weight, and they both like it. I’m next though.<

It sounds like a good research project. I always wanted to get into fatigue as quickly as possible. I think they refer to this as the ‘rubbery’ state. Then, do the additional work from there. I think the question is; what are the stress levels, and time periods required for each individual penis.

But you could surely be correct in your thoughts. I think the ultimate benefit in hanging is the fact that the weight does the work, while you are able to do other things. Whatever the weight, as long as it pushes the marginal stretch, for a significant time period, the tissues will lengthen.

If it happens that starting low, then increasing the level of stress produces better gains, that’s great.

>My hanger order will show up in a day or two. How fast are you actually turning them around these days?<

If you mean production, my son is able to keep up easily.

If you mean shipping, I only have one to go out at this moment. All other recent orders have been shipped. Unless you are that one guy, you should have received a notification email. However, a couple of these emails have come back to me recently as undeliverable. PM me with your information, and I will check.

Bigger

>Perhaps a Bib hanger married to a Jes Extender would be the ideal tunica lengthening device<

This long thread contains several ideas for making stretchers. I haven’t tried it, but a production Bib should be relatively easy to convert to a Jes-like stretcher for about $5 in parts.

Here’s the Thornton abstract you mentioned.

hobby,

Thanks for the link to the abstract. That’s the same one I had. Somebody oughta travel to Alberta and give Dr. Thornton an in depth taste of the fruits of her labor. Unintended fruits I’m sure ; )

Bib,

I haven’t ordered yet. But will soon. I’m pretty sure the Thornton and Bonutti work point to a strong possibility of increasing gains. But almost as surely open up a new set of risks to manage. So far I’ve gained about 7/8” or so to 7 7/8 ” bpfsl using blasters for 9 weeks which I believe rely on the hysteresis phenomenon (cyclic repeated loading -see below). That puts me at >7 1/2 bpel, with a natural girth slightly over 6. Want 9 to 9.5 x 6.5, so only 1.5-2 x .5 to gain, Haven’t been very dedicated yet to doing PE but very dedicated to studying it, which is fun. I usually approach everything this way though. I’m ready to move on this set of assumptions.

http://engineering.cua.edu/biomedic…98/timedep.html

Bib

_It sounds like a good research project. I always wanted to get into fatigue as quickly as possible. I think they refer to this as the ‘rubbery’ state. Then, do the additional work from there. I think the question is; what are the stress levels, and time periods required for each individual penis.

I come to this because i don’t have all the privacy i want :( . A few day after beginning to hang i have try the pyramidal sets and i have notice that my ligs were sore with a low amount of weight and a short duration (2x20 min) and for a long time (something around 18/20 hours) that’s why after some testing time i have wanted to share this . I really don’t know about the other penis i have only one :(

_ I think the ultimate benefit in hanging is the fact that the weight does the work, while you are able to do other things.

I really agree :D

_If it happens that starting low, then increasing the level of stress produces better gains, that’s great.

I don’t know and don’t think that it’s the ultimate solution, but for MY ligs that have worked well for the moment.

I just wish that some people will sacrifice one of their hanging day to give it a try and give me their opinion about this (may be called Frenchy’s sets if it is not copyrighted, just kidding :D )

Frenchy

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