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Pound Per Minute Theory PPM

Really glad to see you back, buby, and congratulations for your baby!

Thank you Marinera, I have red your interesting posts: keep it up, we might get somewhere


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After a bit little reflecting about what we are searching, I think the time x pound has a conceptual mistake.

Don’t get me wrong: it’s a great attempt to put in a mathematical form the PE science (even if such thing does exists); reducing things in maths language is the best way to semplifying our reasoning on a given subject, and is the premise to any further progress to predict what will happen if one does this thing or this other.

The mistake is: bad choice of physical variables involved.

I think it is well worth opening a new thread to explain what I mean:

Time x length

Originally Posted by marinera
After a bit little reflecting about what we are searching, I think the time x pound has a conceptual mistake.

Don’t get me wrong: it’s a great attempt to put in a mathematical form the PE science (even if such thing does exists); reducing things in maths language is the best way to simplifying our reasoning on a given subject, and is the premise to any further progress to predict what will happen if one does this thing or this other.

The mistake is: bad choice of physical variables involved.

I think it is well worth opening a new thread to explain what I mean:

Time x length

Dear Marinera,

sincerely - taken away heat and angles - I can’t see other variables involved in the hanging process, besides time and weight; even wrapping and hangers depend on time and weight. The PPM would like to be a concept and not a mathematical explanation. The concept being, let’s find an optimal combination of time and weight to obtain a satisfactory result in a reasonable time span, without sacrificing ones family and social life, locked in a room with a weight on your dick. The numbers developed, on the base of various assumptions and statements gathered in other threads, are meant to represent a hunch on what time/weight ratio to go about. Computations turn out to suggest that a two hours a day hanging exercise with twelve pounds is the optimal solution. Needless to say that assumptions are such that it may not be the exact option, but, in my opinion, not too far from reality either. Maybe the correct answer could be 15 pounds for 2 hours or even 9 pounds for two hours, but certainly we are in that range of time and weight. I have read your thread which, you must admit, still talks about time and weight, as a traction, static or not, is measurable in weight and time applied. At any rate, thank you for giving your contribute and keeping this thread alive.


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Originally Posted by buby
Dear Marinera,

sincerely - taken away heat and angles - I can’t see other variables involved in the hanging process, besides time and weight; even wrapping and hangers depend on time and weight. The PPM would like to be a concept and not a mathematical explanation. The concept being, let’s find an optimal combination of time and weight to obtain a satisfactory result in a reasonable time span, without sacrificing ones family and social life, locked in a room with a weight on your dick. The numbers developed, on the base of various assumptions and statements gathered in other threads, are meant to represent a hunch on what time/weight ratio to go about. Computations turn out to suggest that a two hours a day hanging exercise with twelve pounds is the optimal solution. Needless to say that assumptions are such that it may not be the exact option, but, in my opinion, not too far from reality either. Maybe the correct answer could be 15 pounds for 2 hours or even 9 pounds for two hours, but certainly we are in that range of time and weight. I have read your thread which, you must admit, still talks about time and weight, as a traction, static or not, is measurable in weight and time applied. At any rate, thank you for giving your contribute and keeping this thread alive.

I’m not questioning the rigth time or the right weight, I’m questioning the variable chosen.

If one hangs with 12 lbs and has 2” elongation over his FL, and another guy hangs with 12 lbs and has 1” elongation over his FL, are they having the same advantage from hanging?

Weight is a means to reach elongation, because what starts growth is elongation, despite the weight used.
That’s what I’m pointing out - a simple point, but a basical one, I think.

Let’s say it in another way: how could you compare the work done with manual stretches and the work done with hanging? Maybe measuring the elongation you’re imposing to your penis, that’s my answer.

I’ll post again in the future here, I think, if you don’t mind, because, as I said, it’s an interesting thread and useful for anyone interested in PE :) .


Last edited by marinera : 04-28-2008 at .

It is important to bear in mind the object of the elongation: the penis. I am sure that if we tried to apply a 2 pounds weight to a horse, we would obtain nothing more than a likely kick in our faces, as its flaccid penis is a twenty pound piece of meat, but if we apply the same weight to an average human being we are likely to get a substantial increase of length and girth in the next 12 months. In fact, an average horse weighs about five times as much as an average man, hence, to yield the same result we should probably apply five times as much weight: ten pounds ( in this case the horse would probably kill us!). When one does stretches, he applies his force, which is usually proportionate to his body and penis. We are talking about averages: average men, average penises…


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This is like saying that the average man should do 3 reps on bench press with 100 lbs to gain strength; no much sense to me: we say “He should do 3 reps with a weight he could lift at max for 3-10 reps, or speaking about % of 1 Rep Max”. The average man is nothing real.

Also, there is not proof that the force of the body of a man is proportionate to the strength of his penis.

In the same way, it’s not true that those who are using extenders are applying a force of 2 lbs for 12 hours a day: they start using 1 lbs (or less), ending with 3-5 lbs (depending on the kind of the extender used) over 3-6 months. The constant is not the weight, is this quotient: (elongation state)/(max lenght) - or this other (elongation state)/(flaccid lenght).

You don’t agree?

Yes, I do, but elongation state means: traction required to cause such elongation which is positive or negative weight.

About the number of repetitions a man should do to increase his muscular strength I believe it is a completely different issue as muscles have little or nothing to do with penises.


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The average man does exist: he is about 6 feet tall, his foot measure a foot, his thumb measures a thumb, his step measures a yard and his dick measures 7 inches.


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So PPM will not work with a man having a 6.5” penis? Exactly what I was saying ;) .


Last edited by marinera : 04-28-2008 at .

Every one can walk for a hundred yards, somebody will only need 90 steps, some other will need 110 steps, the average man will need 100. That does not mean that the empirical system does not work. PPM is just a sort of benchmark that everyone can adjust on his specific case.


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Another point: how the weight useful (12 or 15 or whatever) come from?Comparing what?

2 lbs on the jes-extender, for saying, aren’t applying the same stress than 2 lbs with the Bib’s hanger; 2 lbs on the Bib’s hanger are not the same thing that 2 lbs on the Vac-hanger, and so on.

To estimate an optimal weight, you should compare 2 lbs x 12 hours with a loop-style extender (most common) and 12 lbs x 2 hours with a loop-style hanger -and, believe me, I tried, it’s really hard (and DANGEROUS) hanging 12 lbs with a loop-style hanger.

2 pounds are 2 pounds with any kind of device: if you apply 2 pounds with a Bib’s hanger for 12 hours you’ll get the same stress as JES or whatever. It feels different, but is the same weight and stress.

the 12 pound reference comes from here

PPM table.JPG


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I disagree; if you hang with a Bib’s, weight-stress is mostly absorbed by skin. I’m wondering if you’ve had ever done hanging.

Also, the table you attached does means nothing: it’s just a lists of weigth x time. What should this demonstrate? That 3 lbs x 8 hours = 4 lbs x 6 hours? Or am I missing something?

But the basic question still is this:

Originally Posted by buby

…..Yes, I do, but elongation state means: traction required to cause such elongation which is positive or negative weight.

So, why don’t measuring elongation directly, instead the weight supposed to cause a given elongation? You don’t really know if that weigth really cause the supposed elongation for you - who tells you that your penis react to that weight like the average penis? I can’t say better than this.

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